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This is funny.
http://www.abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory?id=3370892
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Three protesters disrupted a prayer by a Hindu chaplain on Thursday at the opening of a U.S. Senate hearing, calling it an abomination and shouting slogans about Jesus Christ.
It was the first time the daily prayer that opens Senate proceedings was said by a Hindu chaplain.
Capitol police said two women and one man were arrested and charged with causing a disruption in the public gallery of the Senate. The three started shouting when guest Chaplain Rajan Zed, a Hindu from Nevada, began his prayer.
They shouted "No Lord but Jesus Christ" and "There's only one true God," and used the term "abomination."
http://www.abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory?id=3370892
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Three protesters disrupted a prayer by a Hindu chaplain on Thursday at the opening of a U.S. Senate hearing, calling it an abomination and shouting slogans about Jesus Christ.
It was the first time the daily prayer that opens Senate proceedings was said by a Hindu chaplain.
Capitol police said two women and one man were arrested and charged with causing a disruption in the public gallery of the Senate. The three started shouting when guest Chaplain Rajan Zed, a Hindu from Nevada, began his prayer.
They shouted "No Lord but Jesus Christ" and "There's only one true God," and used the term "abomination."
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Hail, Hail!!!
I'm guessing that some of the Christians on this board agree with the "protesters", but are afraid to say so.
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i'm scared
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
Now, now, don't worry yourself there abook, you can disagree with the protesters and still have one true god in jesus.
you just have to think real hard about how to explain it.
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what a relief!
but i'm still too scared.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
damn.
Let's just breathe...
I am myself like you somehow
reminds me of an episode of the 700 club i saw when they were taing the 10 commandments out of that courthouse and they were crying about how christianity was under attack and blah blah blah, what about freedom of religion....then the next segment was about how horrible it was that the military was going to recognize wicca and some other religions
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
classic stuff right there...
funny thing is i find myseklf watching all the same bullshit just so i see what they have to say
it is pretty damn funny sometimes!
How come the separation of church and state crowd isn't denouncing the Hindu prayer in the senate?
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
Is it just me or do fundamentalists christians seem to search for opportunities to make asses out of themselves?
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Oh my, they dropped the leash.
Morgan Freeman/Clint Eastwood 08' for President!
"Make our day"
No, it's not you. I was part of that whole scene a while ago and got out because of stuff like this. I still hold onto my faith (I agree with the protestors in THEORY - not their tactics), but I can't stand the way fundamentalists are always looking for a fight. It seems like the message of love, tolerance and harmony gets lost the holier people think they are...
In response again to Know1:
Freedom of religion is, at it's best, acceptance of all religion rather than exclusion. I prefer a world where congress lets a Hindu say a prayer for them to a world where that huge chunk of our culture called religion is shut out.
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Oh my, they dropped the leash.
Morgan Freeman/Clint Eastwood 08' for President!
"Make our day"
I agree. I'd prefer for religion to be allowed in government and I don't think it should be exclusionary.
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
I agree. I have no problem with the Hindu prayer at the Senate, but some people adamantly espouse that religion should be strictly banned from government.
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
Think it's crap? Great. Keep it too yourself. No one is converting to your religion if this is the ridiculous classless behavior you are using as an example.
It's primarily the reason many campus outreach programs end up resembling cults.
You don't have to agree with all the other religions, but show some class and respect. Hindu's aren't going into Churches and shouting BOLLOCKS!!! It just makes the students look like idiots, on the same level as Fred Phelps.
I mean honestly, I think fundamentalism of all kinds essentially = zero thought process and essentially stupid people, but I'm not walking into their churches and telling them that, nor am I rude to the people out at night with mega phones telling everyone they are going to hell.
Live and let live, act respectful whether or not other people respect you.
well said.
seriously...sometimes you watch and hear the words come out of some mouths and often wonder...do they even know the true meaning of what they're saying?
honestly, at times some will speak with such impassioned fervor such statements as you mention above...and my first reaction is to shake my head and laugh ...but then i am simply saddened that some so terribly don't *get* what all those freedoms are really about.
not too long ago my mother sent me along one of those e-mail forwars, about some guy...i can't remember who...who fought so hard to preserve the 1o commandments display, etc....and it said to forward it on to everyone...blah, blah, blah. i politely sent it back to her with a short response saying that basically i disagree with their display, seperation of church and state...yada, yada, yada...so yea, basically, i thought the guy was wrong, and no, i won't be forwarding it onwards. :rolleyes: hahaha. oh my.
oh, and for know1? i think...in regards to those of us who DO support the seperation of church and state...you're right of course. basically, i think ALL of it has no place in our government...no matter the religion. if i had my way, that's how it would be...b/c imho i think religion and government have ZERO business being in bed together. however, since i don't have that say...and religion is still entwined in many ways....and prayer is utilized...well then, i think if a christian prayer is allowable, sure...i think a hindu one is just as acceptable...muslim...jewish...whatever. so sure, IF prayer or whatever else of a religion nature is going to eek into our government, hell yes, i at the very least support equal time for em all.
btw - pacomc79.....great post.
Let's just breathe...
I am myself like you somehow
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I think you got that a little mixed up...
People don't care if our elected leaders have religious beliefs... we just don't want them to pass legislation that we must obey based upon their religion.
We also think that it's easier to keep all religious symbols from tax payer operations, than to allow every religion to post their religious symbols in public buildings on the tax payer's dime. If you are going to allow the Ten Commandmants and Crosses in court houses, then you must also allow the construction of the Star Of David, the Crescent Moon, the Ying and Yang, the Pentangle, and every other religious symbol that represents every other religion that exists in this nation.
Hail, Hail!!!
http://www.wishlistfoundation.org
Oh my, they dropped the leash.
Morgan Freeman/Clint Eastwood 08' for President!
"Make our day"
See folks...it's really that simple.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
Good post.
http://www.wishlistfoundation.org
Oh my, they dropped the leash.
Morgan Freeman/Clint Eastwood 08' for President!
"Make our day"
Sounds pretty intolerant to me.
Anyway, we were talking about having an Hindu prayer in a Senate meeting. Where does that fall in your scenario? Is it too expensive to let all religions pray? It's definitely not forcing anyone to listen to it.
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
I'm not sure what you see as intolerant. I don't care what a politician's religion is... be it Christian, Jew, Hindu or Atheist. I just don't want them to pass laws of the land... that you and I must obey... based upon their religious beliefs. It sound like you would be okay with a law that was based on Islamic law... if this were a predominantly Muslim nation. I wouldn't... I guess that makes me intolerant... to which, I would agree.
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As for Hindu prayers in a Senate Meeting... If Christian Prayer is allowed.. then Hindu prayer should be allowed for Hindus... as well as Muslim prayers for Muslims... and Satanic Ritual Prayers for Satan Worshipers.
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Finally... I said nothing about expense. I simply, said that IF you allow the Ten Commandments and Crosses in Public Buildings, such as court houses, then you MUST also allow Stars of David, Crescent Moons and Pentangles in those courthouses, too. You may be okay with that... I think it's a waste and the taxes used to erect and maintain these symbols would be better spent on giving hungry people a meal to eat.
Hail, Hail!!!
I don't mind lawmakers passing laws based upon religious beliefs, but I do mind them passing laws that force religious beliefs.
The intolerance comment was due to the fact that because the symbols are religious, they shouldn't be allowed. If the symbols weren't religious, that's OK?
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
I don't care... as long as ALL reigions are allowed.
What do you think the chances are of a Star Of David being placed in a court house in Alabama. Better yet, a Crescent Moon of Islam in your local court house... how about a nice goat's head Pentangle? Paid for by with your taxes.
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If anything... I'd MUCH rather see a copy of the Bill Of Rights in our court house lobbies, rather than the Ten Commandments... next to the Star Of David and the Crescent moon of Islam and the Ying and Yang and the Shiva and the Goat's Head Pentangle. So, yeah... if you look at me that way... I'm intolerant.
Hail, Hail!!!
http://www.wishlistfoundation.org
Oh my, they dropped the leash.
Morgan Freeman/Clint Eastwood 08' for President!
"Make our day"
You are okay with lawmakers passing laws based on religious beliefs... as long as they are Christian. What if the laws were based upon Islamic beliefs... or Wiccan Beliefs?
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I don't care about symbols... as long as either ALL religions are allowed or none of them. You cannot just represent one religion.
What do you think the chances are of a Star Of David being placed in a court house in Alabama. Better yet, a Crescent Moon of Islam in your local court house... how about a nice goat's head Pentangle? Paid for by with your taxes.
...
If anything... I'd MUCH rather see a copy of the Bill Of Rights in our court house lobbies, rather than the Ten Commandments... next to the Star Of David and the Crescent Moon of Islam and the Ying and Yang and the Shiva and the Goat's Head Pentangle. So, yeah... if you look at me that way... I'm intolerant.
Hail, Hail!!!