What Are Democrats Thinking?

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  • SPEEDY MCCREADY
    SPEEDY MCCREADY Posts: 26,938
    has jeb bush announced his candidacy yet???
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  • Jeanwah
    Jeanwah Posts: 6,363
    VictoryGin wrote:
    this generation y or 'next' or whatever (24-25 and under) are the most politically active generation, according to a bunch of news things i've read and seen lately.
    Although it does seem that way, the stats from the last election shows that there's a huge absence of younger voters actually going to the polls. I talk to people I work with that have that "my vote doesn't do anything so why bother?" They seem to be the younger generation.
  • hippiemom
    hippiemom Posts: 3,326
    onelongsong wrote:
    then the same people won't like the disgrace bill brought to the presidentcy and hillary's "acceptance" of his indiscretions. the door swings both ways.
    I said a few days ago that even though I don't want either of them to be president, I think a Clinton-Giuliani race would in some ways be refreshing because at least neither side would be able to launch a family-values attack and they'd perhaps focus on more substantive issues. The downside, of course, would be that at the end of the refreshing campaign, we'd be stuck with one of them for four years.

    But if either one of them have to run against anyone else, all the family values bullshit is likely to be an issue.
    "Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." ~ MLK, 1963
  • Abuskedti
    Abuskedti Posts: 1,917
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    and start swaying the huge amounts of apathetic non-voters. Give them something worth going out to the polls.

    :) thats me!
  • blackredyellow
    blackredyellow Posts: 5,889
    onelongsong wrote:
    my best friend is a democratic congressman who says he'll vote against any woman running. behind closed doors he's backing gulliani. most of small town america will vote against any black or woman candidate. their motives may differ but as we see on this board; not everyone is a progressive thinker. gulliani is the "likeable; old fashion president type". very popular with women with a strong political background. he's proven himself in times of crisis and disaster. 2008 will be interesting. but i had thought that it would be a fight between strong candidates in a battle for the whitehouse.

    The best thing that the dems have going for them in beating Guliani is the fact that he has to get the republican nomination, and I just don't see that happening.

    Hilary won't cut it either.... if she wins it will be by the slightest of margins (or a "mandate" in rove-speak). Hilary may get the democratic faithful out, but won't do much for independents or apathetic voters (like kerry).... the only thing that will get them out in any numbers is someone charismatic and a change or an outsider... that's why Obama has the best shot in my mind.
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  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    Abuskedti wrote:
    :) thats me!

    I know :)
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  • hippiemom
    hippiemom Posts: 3,326
    VictoryGin wrote:
    and he wasn't well-liked in ny before 9/11. some of his policies were awful. there was a great, long article on him in the nation a few years ago about everything.

    and if he loses evangelical support, would he have enough to beat the dem? i doubt it.
    Yeah, it seemed that the better New Yorkers got to know him, the less they liked him. I suspect it would be the same nationally.
    "Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." ~ MLK, 1963
  • blackredyellow
    blackredyellow Posts: 5,889
    hippiemom wrote:
    I said a few days ago that even though I don't want either of them to be president, I think a Clinton-Giuliani race would in some ways be refreshing because at least neither side would be able to launch a family-values attack and they'd perhaps focus on more substantive issues. The downside, of course, would be that at the end of the refreshing campaign, we'd be stuck with one of them for four years.

    But if either one of them have to run against anyone else, all the family values bullshit is likely to be an issue.

    For entertainment value and for actual debates, I would love to see a Giuliani and Biden get the nomination. Biden never will, but with those two going, we could actually have a chance that both canidates will actually answer questions, and not be so afraid to say the wrong thing that they just speak in focus group tested soundbyte language.
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  • VictoryGin
    VictoryGin Posts: 1,207
    hippiemom wrote:
    Yeah, it seemed that the better New Yorkers got to know him, the less they liked him. I suspect it would be the same nationally.

    because after all, aren't we all new yorkers? or wait, was that palestineans . . .

    ;)
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  • Jeanwah
    Jeanwah Posts: 6,363
    hippiemom wrote:
    Yeah, it seemed that the better New Yorkers got to know him, the less they liked him. I suspect it would be the same nationally.
    I just want to mention that I live in NY and while Rudy did an incredible job w/ 9/11, it's obvious that his supporters are from other states when it come to a Presidential bid. I don't live in the City, but yeah, the love for him here has waned. On the other hand, Hillary won her re-election to Senate for NYS by a landslide. She's done great work on the Senate front. The majority of her haters are from other states.
  • Dustin51
    Dustin51 Posts: 222
    onelongsong wrote:
    keep in mind that you are a progressive thinker and living in an area where things are different. your world doesn't portray all of america. neither does mine. o'l bubba who's "maybe" heard of the internet is going to put pants on and come out of the woods and vote to make sure we "don't have no lady or negro" president.
    it will be interesting though.

    Honestly, I think you have to throw all that out the window and look at matchups. Who can beat who. McCain has less national appeal then Obama or Clinton IMO...Romney is probably on par or slightly behind Obama or Clinton nationally at this point...Guilianni can get cross over votes, centrists, and the base if he wins the Primary. His problem will be the primary and believe me the Dems want anyone but him to win it. They'd love to run against old leatherneck McCain.
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  • Cosmo
    Cosmo Posts: 12,225
    People who believe in Democrats or Republicans as saviours are fools. Republicans an Democrats are the different sides of the same cum soaked joy rag. If you want to wipe your mouth with that napkin... fine. I choose not to.
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  • VictoryGin
    VictoryGin Posts: 1,207
    Cosmo wrote:
    People who believe in Democrats or Republicans as saviours are fools. Republicans an Democrats are the different sides of the same cum soaked joy rag. If you want to wipe your mouth with that napkin... fine. I choose not to.

    well now that you put it THAT way . . .
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  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    Cosmo wrote:
    People who believe in Democrats or Republicans as saviours are fools. Republicans an Democrats are the different sides of the same cum soaked joy rag. If you want to wipe your mouth with that napkin... fine. I choose not to.

    That's basically how I feel. I do support a few Dems but they are few and far between.
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
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  • Cosmo
    Cosmo Posts: 12,225
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    That's basically how I feel. I do support a few Dems but they are few and far between.
    ...
    Politicians HAVE to pick a party... I understand that. I look at each candidate and ask myself, "Which one of these two assholes is going to do the LEAST amount damage to my country?" Which explains my voting record. The (D) or the (R) next to their name is insignificant to me. And I believe that anyone who uses this criteria as their selection process is an asshole.
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  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    Hey.. at least they are thinking.
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  • Dustin51
    Dustin51 Posts: 222
    Cosmo wrote:
    People who believe in Democrats or Republicans as saviours are fools. Republicans an Democrats are the different sides of the same cum soaked joy rag. If you want to wipe your mouth with that napkin... fine. I choose not to.

    It trips me out that so many people identify with the two parties. I don't get it all. Most people agree the system is messed up yet continue to buy into it. We can still change things. If we had all just voted for Nader in 2000 we would've had the most honest, hard working, dedicated president ever. Honestly I'd consider voting for a hardcore conservative if I thought that he posessed those qualities. Like Eddie said man...Just give us some truth.
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  • mammasan
    mammasan Posts: 5,656
    Rudy, Hillary, Romney, or Obama. It doesn't really matter because they are all the samething. None of them will do what, in my opinion, is the greatest problem facing our country today. The unabaited uncontrolled growth of our federal government and the fact that the people no longer have true say. The only candidate that I have seen address the issue is Ron Paul.
    "When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
  • Milhouse VanHouten
    Milhouse VanHouten Posts: 755
    VictoryGin wrote:
    and he wasn't well-liked in ny before 9/11. some of his policies were awful. there was a great, long article on him in the nation a few years ago about everything.

    and if he loses evangelical support, would he have enough to beat the dem? i doubt it.

    definitely. can he keep the support of social conservatives? we're still a year out from primary season. eventually, the other gop hopefuls have to and will find a way to bring up the first marriage, the affairs, the divorce, moving out of gracie mansion, the rift between him and his kids, etc. questions about his moderate social "stances" aren't going away, either.

    i guess it's just a question of how much mileage he can get out of being mayor 9/11...
    "Of course it hurts. You're getting fucked by an elephant."
  • Abuskedti
    Abuskedti Posts: 1,917
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    I know :)

    I don't think its apathetic...

    I don't vote for much the same reason I don't play the lottery.

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