Iraq war, the worst foreign policy mistake un US History

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  • ThumbingMyWay32
    ThumbingMyWay32 Posts: 1,224
    catefrances wrote:
    oh exodus. the chinese and russians were never a threat to us.


    400,000 Chinese KIA. Russian pilots were shooting down US airmen in migs.

    They weren't a threat to who?
    "Sarcasm: intellect on the offensive"

    "What I lack in decorum, I make up for with an absence of tact."

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  • catefrances
    catefrances Posts: 29,003
    ThumbingMyWay32 wrote:
    lol Cate enjoys taking credit for the unconditional surrenders. Otherwise, her government is just a bunch of mindless, conservative idiots who should have never been involved.

    no i don't 'enjoy taking credit for unconditional surrenders'. the way you americans crap on about it you'd swear you were the only ones involved. all i'm saying is that everyone involved contributed to get the result.
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  • catefrances
    catefrances Posts: 29,003
    ThumbingMyWay32 wrote:
    400,000 Chinese KIA. Russian pilots were shooting down US airmen in migs.

    They weren't a threat to who?

    Exodus said you should have left us to the chinese and russians. that's what i was directing my comment to. obviously his was an ambiguous statement that i failed to grasp the meaning of.
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  • ThumbingMyWay32
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    catefrances wrote:
    really? how did korea work out for you?

    yeah yeah i know it was supposedly a united nations thing.
    and yeah yeah i know we were there as well. as usual.


    You started it. Don't place the burden of an entire war, a UN action, on the United States just because it wasn't won in your opinion. Then rationalize that everyone was a part of the outcome of WW2.
    "Sarcasm: intellect on the offensive"

    "What I lack in decorum, I make up for with an absence of tact."

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  • catefrances
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    ThumbingMyWay32 wrote:
    You started it. Don't place the burden of an entire war, a UN action, on the United States just because it wasn't won in your opinion. Then rationalize that everyone was a part of the outcome of WW2.

    what i am placing the burden on in regards to korea is the fact that the peninsula was arbitrarily divided between russia and the US after WWII. without that division there would have been no korean war for which the united nations would have had to take responsibility for.
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  • Cosmo
    Cosmo Posts: 12,225
    Last Exodus wrote:
    and bitching about it to boot while not doing anything to help. feels very familiar.
    ...
    Bitching about what? The current situation?
    And doing nothing? I can't speak for anyone else, but I have written to my elected representatives about it. I know is isn't much, but it is what I can do... voice my dissent to my representatives in the House and Senate as well as my President. I'm not wasting my time yelling at the television... they do not represent me.
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  • ThumbingMyWay32
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    catefrances wrote:
    what i am placing the burden on in regards to korea is the fact that the peninsula was arbitrarily divided between russia and the US after WWII. without that division there would have been no korean war for which the united nations would have had to take responsibility for.

    Well in that case, we should have never defeated the Japanese and Korea would have never been a problem to anyone.
    "Sarcasm: intellect on the offensive"

    "What I lack in decorum, I make up for with an absence of tact."

    Camden 5-28-06
    Washington, D.C. 6-22-08
  • catefrances
    catefrances Posts: 29,003
    ThumbingMyWay32 wrote:
    Well in that case, we should have never defeated the Japanese and Korea would have never been a problem to anyone.

    how so? the japanese over extended themselves. sound familiar?
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  • ThumbingMyWay32
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    catefrances wrote:
    how so? the japanese over extended themselves. sound familiar?

    What does that even mean? Beyond the obvious bash America reference.
    "Sarcasm: intellect on the offensive"

    "What I lack in decorum, I make up for with an absence of tact."

    Camden 5-28-06
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  • catefrances
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    ThumbingMyWay32 wrote:
    What does that even mean? Beyond the obvious bash America reference.

    what it means is that the japanese were never going to win fighting the war the way they were.
    and yes america over extends itself. we see that in iraq where they failed to secure the country. someone thought the job could be done with the minimum amount of troops. they were wrong and now the soldiers and the iraqis are paying for that short sightedness. that's all.
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  • ThumbingMyWay32
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    catefrances wrote:
    what it means is that the japanese were never going to win fighting the war the way they were.
    and yes america over extends itself. we see that in iraq where they failed to secure the country. someone thought the job could be done with the minimum amount of troops. they were wrong and now the soldiers and the iraqis are paying for that short sightedness. that's all.


    Japanese occupation of Korea in the late 1800's has nothing to do with WW2.

    Fighting a war with a minimal amount of military resources does not define overextension.
    "Sarcasm: intellect on the offensive"

    "What I lack in decorum, I make up for with an absence of tact."

    Camden 5-28-06
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  • catefrances
    catefrances Posts: 29,003
    ThumbingMyWay32 wrote:
    Japanese occupation of Korea in the late 1800's has nothing to do with WW2.

    who said it did?

    ThumbingMyWay32 wrote:
    Fighting a war with a minimal amount of military resources does not define overextension.

    it does if it means the job is not getting done with expediency and a minimum loss of life.
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  • ThumbingMyWay32
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    The insurgency has no clue about "American overextension." Democrats in this country wont allow it to happen. Overextension only applies when dicussion of possible future engagements is brought to the table. Full American power in Iraq would have been Colin Powell's way. Colin Powell would have the situation fully under control. That I'm certain of. The fact that we tried to quell violence in Iraq with as little of a presense as possible (the civilian way of fighting wars) is a major reason why Powell is no longer a part of this administration.
    "Sarcasm: intellect on the offensive"

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    Camden 5-28-06
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  • ThumbingMyWay32
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    catefrances wrote:
    who said it did?

    You suggested that the American/Russian division of Korea was the leading reason the Korean war began. The Japanese occupied Korea since the late 1800's. That's why I suggested we should have never defeated the Japanese and we would have never arrived at that problem.
    "Sarcasm: intellect on the offensive"

    "What I lack in decorum, I make up for with an absence of tact."

    Camden 5-28-06
    Washington, D.C. 6-22-08
  • catefrances
    catefrances Posts: 29,003
    ThumbingMyWay32 wrote:
    You suggested that the American/Russian division of Korea was the leading reason the Korean war began. The Japanese occupied Korea since the late 1800's. That's why I suggested we should have never defeated the Japanese and we would have never arrived at that problem.

    i think we need to go have a drink and change the subject.

    we're pissing in each others pocket and it's getting us nowhere.
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  • Last Exodus
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    ThumbingMyWay32 wrote:
    400,000 Chinese KIA. Russian pilots were shooting down US airmen in migs.

    They weren't a threat to who?
    No one is a threat to you all the way down there except the bloody kangaroos. Actually, you guys were very close to invasion in 1941-42. Our navy made sure you were spared.
  • catefrances
    catefrances Posts: 29,003
    Last Exodus wrote:
    No one is a threat to you all the way down there except the bloody kangaroos. Actually, you guys were very close to invasion in 1941-42. Our navy made sure you were spared.

    well what the hell else were you gonna do? allow us to be 'invaded' and lose such a strategic ally?
    and you know we shoot the kangaroos, so they're no threat. :D
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  • Last Exodus
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    catefrances wrote:
    no i don't 'enjoy taking credit for unconditional surrenders'. the way you americans crap on about it you'd swear you were the only ones involved. all i'm saying is that everyone involved contributed to get the result.
    You Aussies have nothing to brag about. The pattern is redundant. World crisis, Australia can be counted on to send a small band of soldiers, then return to the safety of their continent and claim victory when someone else does the majority of fighting and dying. I love how you jump on our victories and kick us for our defeats.
  • catefrances
    catefrances Posts: 29,003
    Last Exodus wrote:
    You Aussies have nothing to brag about. The pattern is redundant. World crisis, Australia can be counted on to send a small band of soldiers, then return to the safety of their continent and claim victory when someone else does the majority of fighting and dying. I love how you jump on our victories and kick us for our defeats.

    who's bragging? i guess if we had more people we'd send more soldiers.
    and we don't 'claim victory'. we just know we contributed.
    and hey if someone cared enough to jump on australia for our defeats then i could banter. but you don't cause maybe you're not up to speed? but by all means bring it on.
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  • Last Exodus
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    catefrances wrote:
    who's bragging? i guess if we had more people we'd send more soldiers.
    and we don't 'claim victory'. we just know we contributed.
    and hey if someone cared enough to jump on australia for our defeats then i could banter. but you don't cause maybe you're not up to speed? but by all means bring it on.
    feisty tonight...

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