to be historically accurate there was no invasion....at the time they called it an invastion. D=Day was an invasion. i make the distinction for the sake of accuracy.
and the difference being.....?
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If not for Iran becoming as belligerent as it has, I think we could have been well on our way to being out of there. Alot of the reason we are still in Iraq has less to do with Iraq, then it does with Iran. Do you think Bush really gives two shits anymore about whether Iraq becomes a democracy or not? Hell no. Our Gulf State allies are depending on us to stay and stabilize the region from a menacing Iran. That's the only reason we have not drawn back.
Whether we like it or not, the world depends on that oil. If we walk away from the region before it has its shit together, we are just leaving the door open for Gulf War 3 with Iran.
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You know how to keep Iran in check? Put a Brutal dictator in place who hates the Persians in Iran and their Shi'ite bretheren in his own country. Someone who pins them down and does not allow more than 300 Iranians to immigrate to his country per year.
There's a reason why Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Syria and Jordan tolerated Hussein... he was the buffer between Iran and the rest of them. They hate the Iranians more than they hated Hussein.
We were praying for a government that was friendly with us... but, got the government of the Shi'ites who fundamentally hate the West. That's what happens when you put a Democracy in place in a country that hates America... they elect people who hate America into office. Funny how reality and prayer can be two completely different things.
I don't know about stabilizing that place... I think the best we can do is try to contain it. That's putting a lot of pressure on our soldiers... they are really the only ones who are paying for this war. The rest of us are watching it from the comforts of our own homes.
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You know how to keep Iran in check? Put a Brutal dictator in place who hates the Persians in Iran and their Shi'ite bretheren in his own country. Someone who pins them down and does not allow more than 300 Iranians to immigrate to his country per year.
There's a reason why Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Syria and Jordan tolerated Hussein... he was the buffer between Iran and the rest of them. They hate the Iranians more than they hated Hussein.
We were praying for a government that was friendly with us... but, got the government of the Shi'ites who fundamentally hate the West. That's what happens when you put a Democracy in place in a country that hates America... they elect people who hate America into office. Funny how reality and prayer can be two completely different things.
I don't know about stabilizing that place... I think the best we can do is try to contain it. That's putting a lot of pressure on our soldiers... they are really the only ones who are paying for this war. The rest of us are watching it from the comforts of our own homes.
and bitching about it to boot while not doing anything to help. feels very familiar.
Thanks for that history lesson. Although i find it odd that you seem to assume that I am, or ever was, a fan of Clinton.
All I did was dedicate the quotes to you. Who cares who you are or aren't a fan of. You and Anihmus should stop assuming folks are assuming things about the two of you.
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Well never be able to get away from the Vietnam thing, no matter how far removed it is. Thats all they had on us until now. Before Nam, all we did was win wars and deliver Freedom...So were not perfect...
Well never be able to get away from the Vietnam thing, no matter how far removed it is. Thats all they had on us until now. Before Nam, all we did was win wars and deliver Freedom...So were not perfect...
Another 5 years and there wouldn't have been any breathing North Vietnamese left to fight.
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Well never be able to get away from the Vietnam thing, no matter how far removed it is. Thats all they had on us until now. Before Nam, all we did was win wars and deliver Freedom...So were not perfect...
really? how did korea work out for you?
yeah yeah i know it was supposedly a united nations thing.
and yeah yeah i know we were there as well. as usual.
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yeah yeah i know it was supposedly a united nations thing.
and yeah yeah i know we were there as well. as usual.
Technically we won that one. Stick with us kid, we usualy get the job down. Or you can hang your hat with the British again. But they gave you Gallipoli, so that may be a bad call
Technically we won that one. Stick with us kid, we usualy get the job down. Or you can hang your hat with the British again. But they gave you Gallipoli, so that may be a bad call
ah yes! our biggest military defeat and we still celebrate it.
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yeah yeah i know it was supposedly a united nations thing.
and yeah yeah i know we were there as well. as usual.
This is exactly why we don't listen to the UN anymore. Thanks for making an example of yourself cate!
Why is North Korea never blamed for invading the South? Let alone the fact that the Soviets supported and pushed for it. American soldiers were actually withdrawn from the country in 1949. That's right, withdrawn. This is the only reason the North Koreans had the balls to invade in the first place. Then, as usual, the UN passed a meaningless resolution that it was incapable of enforcing. Who then does the UN run to when it's incapable of enforcing one of it's resolutions that was approved of unanimously? That's right... the biggest, vile bully in the world, the United States.
All this said, we were trying to protect an ally. Which, by the lines I see drawn today, we did. So, how did "we" do in Korea? Ask the UN.
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This is exactly why we don't listen to the UN anymore. Thanks for making an example of yourself cate!
Why is North Korea never blamed for invading the South? Let alone the fact that the Soviets supported and pushed for it. American soldiers were actually withdrawn from the country in 1949. That's right, withdrawn. This is the only reason the North Koreans had the balls to invade in the first place. Then, as usual, the UN passed a meaningless resolution that it was incapable of enforcing. Who then does the UN run to when it's incapable of enforcing one of it's resolutions that was approved of unanimously? That's right... the biggest, vile bully in the world, the United States.
All this said, we were trying to protect an ally. Which, by the lines I see drawn today, we did. So, how did "we" do in Korea? Ask the UN.
We towed the line in Korea and lost 33,000 lives. We are not appreciated. We should have left you all to the Chineese and the Russians...
This is exactly why we don't listen to the UN anymore. Thanks for making an example of yourself cate!
Why is North Korea never blamed for invading the South? Let alone the fact that the Soviets supported and pushed for it. American soldiers were actually withdrawn from the country in 1949. That's right, withdrawn. This is the only reason the North Koreans had the balls to invade in the first place. Then, as usual, the UN passed a meaningless resolution that it was incapable of enforcing. Who then does the UN run to when it's incapable of enforcing one of it's resolutions that was approved of unanimously? That's right... the biggest, vile bully in the world, the United States.
All this said, we were trying to protect an ally. Which, by the lines I see drawn today, we did. So, how did "we" do in Korea? Ask the UN.
oh please. the north was trying to reunite their country after it was arbitrarily divided between the soviets and the americans after WWII.
and yes the US did withdraw their occuping forces, as did the russians but both sides continued to provide arms to their resepective sides.
after the 1950 elections in the South, even the new assembly was presssing for reunification.
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those were YOUR victories now? Not gonna go there...Were still friends and id like to keep it that way
we were there. we contributed from the beginning. but hey this isn't a pissing contest. it was a group effort to get rid of a extremely dangerous megalomaniac.
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we were there. we contributed from the beginning. but hey this isn't a pissing contest. it was a group effort to get rid of a extremely dangerous megalomaniac.
lol Cate enjoys taking credit for the unconditional surrenders. Otherwise, her government is just a bunch of mindless, conservative idiots who should have never been involved.
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You have to generally shoot at someone to invade....
says who?
and exactly what do you think those thousands of 'military advisors' were there for?
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You know how to keep Iran in check? Put a Brutal dictator in place who hates the Persians in Iran and their Shi'ite bretheren in his own country. Someone who pins them down and does not allow more than 300 Iranians to immigrate to his country per year.
There's a reason why Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Syria and Jordan tolerated Hussein... he was the buffer between Iran and the rest of them. They hate the Iranians more than they hated Hussein.
We were praying for a government that was friendly with us... but, got the government of the Shi'ites who fundamentally hate the West. That's what happens when you put a Democracy in place in a country that hates America... they elect people who hate America into office. Funny how reality and prayer can be two completely different things.
I don't know about stabilizing that place... I think the best we can do is try to contain it. That's putting a lot of pressure on our soldiers... they are really the only ones who are paying for this war. The rest of us are watching it from the comforts of our own homes.
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why they were there teaching people morals and values the american way of course.
and bitching about it to boot while not doing anything to help. feels very familiar.
of course. :rolleyes: how silly of me to be ignorant of that fact.
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well what ever it was, it certainly wasn't how to successfully execute a war.
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All I did was dedicate the quotes to you. Who cares who you are or aren't a fan of. You and Anihmus should stop assuming folks are assuming things about the two of you.
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Are you speaking of the Vietnam war?
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Another 5 years and there wouldn't have been any breathing North Vietnamese left to fight.
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yeah yeah i know it was supposedly a united nations thing.
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Well our objective was to save South Korea. Last time I checked it was still on the map.
Technically we won that one. Stick with us kid, we usualy get the job down. Or you can hang your hat with the British again. But they gave you Gallipoli, so that may be a bad call
ah yes! our biggest military defeat and we still celebrate it.
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sure we did. WWII. you all were there. remember?
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This is exactly why we don't listen to the UN anymore. Thanks for making an example of yourself cate!
Why is North Korea never blamed for invading the South? Let alone the fact that the Soviets supported and pushed for it. American soldiers were actually withdrawn from the country in 1949. That's right, withdrawn. This is the only reason the North Koreans had the balls to invade in the first place. Then, as usual, the UN passed a meaningless resolution that it was incapable of enforcing. Who then does the UN run to when it's incapable of enforcing one of it's resolutions that was approved of unanimously? That's right... the biggest, vile bully in the world, the United States.
All this said, we were trying to protect an ally. Which, by the lines I see drawn today, we did. So, how did "we" do in Korea? Ask the UN.
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We towed the line in Korea and lost 33,000 lives. We are not appreciated. We should have left you all to the Chineese and the Russians...
I was going to say Rabaul. The Japs kicked your ass pretty soundly there.
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oh please. the north was trying to reunite their country after it was arbitrarily divided between the soviets and the americans after WWII.
and yes the US did withdraw their occuping forces, as did the russians but both sides continued to provide arms to their resepective sides.
after the 1950 elections in the South, even the new assembly was presssing for reunification.
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oh exodus. the chinese and russians were never a threat to us.
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Speaking of countries getting involved in "other countries business."
400,000 Chinese were KIA in that conflict. No one likes to bitch about that aspect of the war.
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we were there. we contributed from the beginning. but hey this isn't a pissing contest. it was a group effort to get rid of a extremely dangerous megalomaniac.
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lol Cate enjoys taking credit for the unconditional surrenders. Otherwise, her government is just a bunch of mindless, conservative idiots who should have never been involved.
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