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  • polaris
    polaris Posts: 3,527
    a mission to target al qaeda would have been justified after 9/11 ... the actual operation conducted in afghanistan has turned horribly wrong and in retrospect is clearly not justifiable ...

    the taliban are regaining power, immediate power after the taliban fell went to warlords who were just as bad as the taliban, and civilian infrastructure is gone to shits, innocent people die all the time from bombs and the after effects ...
  • MrBrian
    MrBrian Posts: 2,672
    cincybearcat wrote:
    I haven't been here in a long time, but I have read everything you have written in this post. And I still say that your attitude is part of the problem. And it will continue ot be until you decide to become a better person.

    Thats fine my friend, like you were wrong about so many other things and believed so strongly about them at one point. I'll give you another few years to come around on that.

    Good day,
  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,824
    MrBrian wrote:
    Thats fine my friend, like you were wrong about so many other things and believed so strongly about them at one point. I'll give you another few years to come around on that.

    Good day,


    Seriously, can't you see how the attitude to attack/make fun of someone that has admitted a wrong is not really a good thing?

    I was wrong about the Iraq war, it isn't worth the cost. I fully supported the Afghanistan action, but it was not handled properly. I realize how big a mistake it was to support the Iraq war, and the price paid was ridiculous and we can't get that back because people are dead.

    I would still support limited strike military action but with far better intel and targeting only those who have harmed us, to prevent further attacks.

    Good day to you sir.
    hippiemom = goodness
  • MrBrian
    MrBrian Posts: 2,672
    cincybearcat wrote:
    Seriously, can't you see how the attitude to attack/make fun of someone that has admitted a wrong is not really a good thing?

    I was wrong about the Iraq war, it isn't worth the cost. I fully supported the Afghanistan action, but it was not handled properly. I realize how big a mistake it was to support the Iraq war, and the price paid was ridiculous and we can't get that back because people are dead.

    I would still support limited strike military action but with far better intel and targeting only those who have harmed us, to prevent further attacks.

    Good day to you sir.

    You kinda went after me first in this thread with my quote and your "coming from you" remark, I was just replying to you based on that. Maybe you thought I was speaking to you when I posted that thing about "pro war" in the first place, I infact was not. But I do believe that many people who have now turned against the war now,will very quickly join the line of pro war again.

    I'm sorry you felt I was going after you. I have no bad feelings toward you. Infact even back in the day, I never disliked you. But you did me I think. I still have no problems with you and infact enjoyed our little thing we just had.

    To your post, can you ever really trust american intel in the future?
  • even flow?
    even flow? Posts: 8,066
    cincybearcat wrote:
    Seriously, can't you see how the attitude to attack/make fun of someone that has admitted a wrong is not really a good thing?

    I was wrong about the Iraq war, it isn't worth the cost. I fully supported the Afghanistan action, but it was not handled properly. I realize how big a mistake it was to support the Iraq war, and the price paid was ridiculous and we can't get that back because people are dead.

    I would still support limited strike military action but with far better intel and targeting only those who have harmed us, to prevent further attacks.

    Good day to you sir.


    Been here most of the day I see. ;)


    Any talk of a Cleveland show for 08? :)
    You've changed your place in this world!
  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,824
    MrBrian wrote:
    You kinda went after me first in this thread with my quote and your "coming from you" remark, I was just replying to you based on that. Maybe you thought I was speaking to you when I posted that thing about "pro war" in the first place, I infact was not. But I do believe that many people who have now turned against the war now,will very quickly join the line of pro war again.

    I'm sorry you felt I was going after you. I have no bad feelings toward you. Infact even back in the day, I never disliked you. But you did me I think. I still have no problems with you and infact enjoyed our little thing we just had.

    To your post, can you ever really trust american intel in the future?

    Fair enough. I did think it was directed at me. My bad.

    To your question...yes I think we will be able to trust american intel in the future. There will be many more questions to ask first though. Maybe I'm an optimist...shining city upon a hill.
    hippiemom = goodness
  • farfromglorified
    farfromglorified Posts: 5,700
    Cosmo wrote:
    America isn't supposed to have kids living on skid row.

    Why not?
  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,824
    even flow? wrote:
    Been here most of the day I see. ;)


    Any talk of a Cleveland show for 08? :)


    Hahaha!!! It's a slow week for me, and I finally have some help at work...plus I have a cold so I'm just trying to survive.

    You know I'll be there if you are.
    hippiemom = goodness
  • floyd1975
    floyd1975 Posts: 1,350
    cincybearcat wrote:
    Hahaha!!! It's a slow week for me, and I finally have some help at work...plus I have a cold so I'm just trying to survive.

    You know I'll be there if you are.

    Now if that happened, I would have to attend.
  • tybird
    tybird Posts: 17,388
    MrBrian wrote:
    To your post, can you ever really trust american intel in the future?
    I just read in the NYT that the U.S. government is considering outsourcing its intel to you....since you know everything. :D
    All the world will be your enemy, Prince with a thousand enemies, and whenever they catch you, they will kill you. But first they must catch you, digger, listener, runner, prince with the swift warning. Be cunning and full of tricks and your people shall never be destroyed.
  • MrBrian
    MrBrian Posts: 2,672
    tybird wrote:
    I just read in the NYT that the U.S. government is considering outsourcing its intel to you....since you know everything. :D

    Oh! I thought that post was gonna end with "india"...But I tell yea what, if they did listen to me, America would be in a much better situation, not just me of course, half of the M.Train knows more than the US government ;)

    btw, a japanese midget sub was shot by the US, that was before the pearl harbour attacks and is considered the first shots that started or was the start of the pacific war. The sub was scouting and the US sunk it. So it would be silly to think that they (america) had no idea that an attack was coming. they did nothing to secure pearl harbour. why? that question is up for debate.
  • baraka
    baraka Posts: 1,268
    farfromglorified wrote:
    Why not?

    Are you playing devil's advocate or is this a serious question?
    The greatest obstacle to discovery is not ignorance,
    but the illusion of knowledge.
    ~Daniel Boorstin

    Only a life lived for others is worth living.
    ~Albert Einstein
  • farfromglorified
    farfromglorified Posts: 5,700
    baraka wrote:
    Are you playing devil's advocate or is this a serious question?

    I don't see the difference.
  • baraka
    baraka Posts: 1,268
    farfromglorified wrote:
    I don't see the difference.

    Ok, so what was your point?
    The greatest obstacle to discovery is not ignorance,
    but the illusion of knowledge.
    ~Daniel Boorstin

    Only a life lived for others is worth living.
    ~Albert Einstein
  • baraka
    baraka Posts: 1,268
    farfromglorified wrote:
    I don't see the difference.

    Either you are implying that, unlike Cosmo, you DON"T see a problem with children on skid row, or you were trying to make some point that is totally lost on me. Perhaps I'm misunderstanding your intent.
    The greatest obstacle to discovery is not ignorance,
    but the illusion of knowledge.
    ~Daniel Boorstin

    Only a life lived for others is worth living.
    ~Albert Einstein
  • farfromglorified
    farfromglorified Posts: 5,700
    baraka wrote:
    Either you are implying that, unlike Cosmo, you DON"T see a problem with children on skid row

    I certainly see a problem with children on skid row. What I don't undestand is why America "shouldn't have children on skid row".
  • baraka
    baraka Posts: 1,268
    farfromglorified wrote:
    I certainly see a problem with children on skid row. What I don't undestand is why America "shouldn't have children on skid row".

    What is it you don't understand? If you see a problem with it, then why should America have children on skid row?
    The greatest obstacle to discovery is not ignorance,
    but the illusion of knowledge.
    ~Daniel Boorstin

    Only a life lived for others is worth living.
    ~Albert Einstein
  • farfromglorified
    farfromglorified Posts: 5,700
    baraka wrote:
    What is it you don't understand? If you see a problem with it, then why should America have children on skid row?

    Let me turn your question above into a statement:

    America shouldn't have problems.

    Do you agree with that statement?
  • my2hands
    my2hands Posts: 17,117
    farfromglorified wrote:
    Let me turn your question above into a statement:

    America shouldn't have problems.

    Do you agree with that statement?



    america should not have problems of poverty and homelessness in the 21st century... especially the verterans people swear to "support"
  • baraka
    baraka Posts: 1,268
    farfromglorified wrote:
    Let me turn your question above into a statement:

    America shouldn't have problems.

    Do you agree with that statement?

    Define 'problems'. Are all 'problems' on equal ground? Some 'problems' are a bigger deal to me than others. If the 'problem' you are referring to is children in a wealthy country like America living in extreme poverty, then I have to agree with Cosmo.
    The greatest obstacle to discovery is not ignorance,
    but the illusion of knowledge.
    ~Daniel Boorstin

    Only a life lived for others is worth living.
    ~Albert Einstein

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