"Continue the war against terrorism........

Its Evolution Baby · July 2008

DriftingByTheStorm wrote:

Considering one of the main STATED reasons for the 9/11 attacks was US OCCUPATION OF THE REGION, i think this is a pretty bass-ackwards train of logic.

:eek:

Thats like if you punch someone in the face,
and they punch you back and say "this is for punching me in the face",
then you gather your wits and decide, "damn, thats fucked up. I better punch him in the face again, otherwise i'm caving to his demands."

???

Where were we truly occupied besides a few bases before 9/11?

That is not the way you get someone to leave the region. Now we will be there for the foreseeable future.

rebornFixer · July 2008

Its Evolution Baby wrote:

Where were we truly occupied besides a few bases before 9/11?

That is not the way you get someone to leave the region. Now we will be there for the foreseeable future.

"Occupied" is a buzzword ... Its a valid term to use when referring to specific instances (e.g., Israel occupying post-1967 war terroritories that are not within the state's original borders), but it gets overused by those who think that everything the U.S. does in the Middle East is wrong.

Anyhow, your point is a good one. Attacks just appear to beget more "occupation".

stupidcorporatewhore · July 2008

MrBrian wrote:

with vigor" -Obama Jul 20, 2008 (say's the US will do if he's elected)

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link to a "credible" news source?

know1 · July 2008

Sounds like change I can't believe in....

DriftingByTheStorm · July 2008

Its Evolution Baby wrote:

My feeling is that a Legit battle against Terrorism would be the most noble war we could fight as it would be the one war that would truly make the world a better place.

You have a 10 times greater chance of being struck by lightning as you do of being involved in a terrorist attack.

Maybe we should have a War on Lightning?

You know, make the world a better place?

??? :cool: :cool: :cool: ???

angelica · July 2008

DriftingByTheStorm wrote:

Its Evolution Baby wrote:

My feeling is that a Legit battle against Terrorism would be the most noble war we could fight as it would be the one war that would truly make the world a better place.

You have a 10 times greater chance of being struck by lightning as you do of being involved in a terrorist attack.

Maybe we should have a War on Lightning?

You know, make the world a better place?

??? :cool: :cool: :cool: ???

Not only that...but when people think there's such a thing as a "noble war" we know there's something very wrong ... We know fairie glamour is in full swing.

Drowned Out · July 2008

Its Evolution Baby wrote:

Answer me this: when a terror attack occurs like 9/11 and then you cave into there demands and leave the region isn't that giving in to terrorists??? .

No, it's doing the right thing. The US military should not be setting up permanent bases in Iraq. Obama says re-mobilize to Afghanistan? Get the bases and Embassy finished, then go get that pipleline rollin again, right? woot!

Its Evolution Baby wrote:

Isn't that the one thing you never do in negotiations?
Wouldn't that promote more terrorism if they get there way through a terrorist act? .

Who's negotiating?
know how to promote terrorism? Make people desperate and angry, and give them a target to fixate on.

Its Evolution Baby wrote:

.... seeing the site really enforced that some good Noble work can still be done in the region if we leave Iraq and resume hunting after Al Queda.

Noble work? There is no noble war...that's just how they sell it to us...how they sell ALL of them to us.

Its Evolution Baby wrote:

No matter what we did before 9/11 there is no justification for the terrorists actions and they should be made to pay. .

ah, good to see there is still some bloodlust flowing after 9/11.

Its Evolution Baby wrote:

My feeling is that a Legit battle against Terrorism would be the most noble war we could fight as it would be the one war that would truly make the world a better place..

The war on terror? There is no war on terror....I would guess that the 'insurgents' are mostly people pissed that their country is in shambles and their family dead...Generous estimates put Al-Quaeda's membership at 1000. If any of the ones that helped pull off 9/11 are still alive, they're either retired and livin it up in Dubai, or still up to no good - in Pakistan. I don't consider people fighting the US in Iraq (or the coalition in Afghanistan) to be terrorists..... It is an OCCUPATION. Correct me if I'm wrong, but no Western Power is being attacked ANYWHERE in the world, except in the countries that they're occupying, no? How is that a war on terror? Do we just keep bombing the middle east indefinitely, because it's working? When does it end?

(lol...war on lightning

)

RolandTD20Kdrummer · July 2008

Murder is the solution now.

pre-emptive bush doctrine murder 08!

murder you can believe in to forge a just and moral nation for your children, and all the children of the world.

angelica · July 2008

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

Murder is the solution now.

pre-emptive bush doctrine murder 08!

murder you can believe in to forge a just and moral nation for your children, and all the children of the world.

I think I'm going to be sick....

Drowned Out · July 2008

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

Murder is the solution now.

pre-emptive bush doctrine murder 08!

murder you can believe in to forge a just and moral nation for your children, and all the children of the world.

Disco's Out, Murder's In!

Extra, extra, read all about it!
News flash, read all about it!
Here comes another scam and don't you doubt it
May make you laugh, but it ain't funny
I can't believe the things they do for money
Another show that needs to get rated
Just got to add a little more hatred
We interrupt this program to tell you
Disco's out, murder's in

Kill it!
Goody, goody, another commotion
One more time, in slow motion
The mountain won't come to Mohammed
Let's keep our fingers crossed and maybe he'll bomb it
La da de da da de de da da
All kind of la de f**kin' das
Disco's out, murder's in

If you wanna go far, we'll make you a star
Not looking for a filler, just a serial killer!
It's got to be violent to make it a highlight
If we show it enough well everyone will think it's alright
Disco's out, murder's in
Kill it! Kill it!
Disco's out, murder's in!
Kill it!

RolandTD20Kdrummer · July 2008

angelica wrote:

I think I'm going to be sick....

Obama's in it to fight terrorism in all forms, to all corners of the earth, and people in the US whole heartedly agree with him.

So, I guess more wars they will have.

and the chaos ensues...

angelica · July 2008

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

Obama's in it to fight terrorism in all forms, to all corners of the earth, and people in the US whole heartedly agree with him.

So, I guess more wars they will have.

and the chaos ensues...

It feels like the only consolation is that the rare other can see what's going on....

Anon · July 2008

_outlaw wrote:

Is this how people justify it?

So Obama has to support more war to get elected? And what happens once he's elected and actually GOES THROUGH with this war? Are you guys going to cry that you thought he was "faking it" to get elected? :rolleyes:

People need to wake the fuck up and do something.

What do you suggest we should do? Vote Nader?

I asked the nader supporters the other day (including you, how Nader was going to make our voices for peace heard.)

http://forums.pearljam.com/showpost.php?p=5673890&postcount=36

Still waiting for my answer. Show me his plans. How does he propose to do this again?

Urban told me to 'ask Nader'.

Can you do better than that?

angelica · July 2008

Pj_Gurl wrote:

What do you suggest we should do? Vote Nader?

I asked the nader supporters the other day (including you, how Nader was going to make our voices for peace heard.)

http://forums.pearljam.com/showpost.php?p=5673890&postcount=36

Still waiting for my answer. Show me his plans. How does he propose to do this again?

Urban told me to 'ask Nader'.

Can you do better than that?

You're asking people to lay this out for you? no wonder we are where we are.

rtwilli4 · July 2008

_outlaw wrote:

Exactly, that was my point in the earlier post. People need to do something about this. They complain about the system, but by voting for someone like Obama just because they don't like McCain, or by excusing all these dirty games and corporations by saying "The system's fucked," then all they're doing is contributing to it.

so what are you doing to fix this problem?

Vince · July 2008

_outlaw wrote:

Exactly, that was my point in the earlier post. People need to do something about this. They complain about the system, but by voting for someone like Obama just because they don't like McCain, or by excusing all these dirty games and corporations by saying "The system's fucked," then all they're doing is contributing to it.

I believe in 99.9% of Obama's platform as do many of his supporters. Even if I only supported 10% of his policies that would be 10% more than McCains. What does a vote for Nader accomplish? Absolutely nothing! He is not a viable candidate and he never will be. He fooled me in 2000 but he won't rope me in again. There is just too much at stake.

Anon · July 2008

angelica wrote:

You're asking people to lay this out for you? no wonder we are where we are.

perhaps you can tell me what's so wrong with asking that???

i'm asking it to be laid out for me because everything i read of naders is just words of how fucked up things are now and how we need to change. it doesn't tell me how he is going to do any of that though.

and what do you mean by no wonder we are where we are? care to enlighten me??

why is what i am asking any different to what the abooks and the kabongs of this board ask obama supporters as to HOW they think their candidate is going to 'fix things'.

rebornFixer · July 2008

Vince wrote:

I believe in 99.9% of Obama's platform as do many of his supporters. Even if I only supported 10% of his policies that would be 10% more than McCains. What does a vote for Nader accomplish? Absolutely nothing! He is not a viable candidate and he never will be. He fooled me in 2000 but he won't rope me in again. There is just too much at stake.

Um, I'm pretty sure that Obama and McCain have AT LEAST 10% in common, policy-wise. We're not talking night and day, here.

g under p · July 2008

Rhinocerous Surprise wrote:

It's just discouraging to see someone who's been promising not to do things the usual Washington way his entire campaign... doing things the usual Washington way. At least McCain has the good grace not to pretend to be a breath of fresh air.

He can't, he's as old as dirt.

Peace

fuck · July 2008

Pj_Gurl wrote:

What do you suggest we should do? Vote Nader?

I asked the nader supporters the other day (including you, how Nader was going to make our voices for peace heard.)

http://forums.pearljam.com/showpost.php?p=5673890&postcount=36

Still waiting for my answer. Show me his plans. How does he propose to do this again?

Urban told me to 'ask Nader'.

Can you do better than that?

I didn't ignore the question, I just didn't notice most of the posts on the 3rd page.

But I just went back and noticed that Byrnzie actually answered your question.

Byrnzie wrote:

Actually, Nadar mentions in the Youtube clip the international consensus, which is that of the U.N Security Council who call for a two-state settlement on the June 1967 borders.
This is the internationally agreed solution to the conflict which has been continually blocked in the U.N for the past 30 years largely to the tune of 160-2 (U.S and Israel).

The only people offering nothing are the Israeli and U.S governments.

To which someone (who I think is an Obama supporter) responded with:

inmytree wrote:

don't kid yourself, Ralph is offering nothing, too...

:rolleyes:

Is this how people get around what Ralph Nader is out to accomplish? His policies are great and they revolve around a DIPLOMATIC, ANTI-WAR platform. He's going to try to actually move for peace in Palestine/Israel, withdraw troops within half a year from Iraq, and I even read somewhere that he's willing to pay reparations to the Iraqi people...

I'm not saying you have to vote Nader to change this shitty system. I'm saying please vote for WHO YOU ACTUALLY BELIEVE IN. Not the person who you're scared of least, who has a "chance" at winning. the only reason these people have a chance at winning is because you aren't willing to break the system and vote for who you truly believe in. And even if you think your vote won't be enough, atleast we're starting to move in a better direction by having more people change the way this country's 2 parties control everything, and worse, the way corporations control the 2 parties!

And voting is the LEAST thing you can do. There's still much, much more that needs to be done.

"Continue the war against terrorism........

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