Chris Cornell - Long Gone

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  • corduroy85
    corduroy85 Posts: 139
    I first listened to it right after got enough (for a lil while 'cause you can never get enough of SG) of Soundgarden. Surely I was expecting that record to resemble SG in many ways. But I was really misguided and didn't find a lot of similarities between SG an CC solo. Hence being very disappointed I forgot about it for a long, long time...but then I found this board very interesting to read. And you guys really liked EM so I thought I gotta give it another listen:)
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  • reversedarwinism
    reversedarwinism Posts: 1,151
    corduroy85 wrote:
    I first listened to it right after got enough (for a lil while 'cause you can never get enough of SG) of Soundgarden. Surely I was expecting that record to resemble SG in many ways. But I was really misguided and didn't find a lot of similarities between SG an CC solo. Hence being very disappointed I forgot about it for a long, long time...but then I found this board very interesting to read. And you guys really liked EM so I thought I gotta give it another listen:)

    I heard Can't Change Me and thought, "hell no". Then got the album after the 1st Audioslave and realized its a fucking masterpiece. Up there with any of his work, IMO.
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  • searchlightsoul
    searchlightsoul Posts: 583
    corduroy85 wrote:
    I first listened to it right after got enough (for a lil while 'cause you can never get enough of SG) of Soundgarden. Surely I was expecting that record to resemble SG in many ways. But I was really misguided and didn't find a lot of similarities between SG an CC solo. Hence being very disappointed I forgot about it for a long, long time...but then I found this board very interesting to read. And you guys really liked EM so I thought I gotta give it another listen:)

    I've gotta say that I have never really understood what people found so difficult to take about EM. I mean, it sounds exactly how I would have expected a Cornell solo record post-SG to sound (except maybe acoustic).

    There are the abstract lyrics, psychedellic guitars and weird guitar tunnings-all features pretty reminiscent of a certain band beginning with S and ending with n......
  • GuiltyBystander
    GuiltyBystander Posts: 8
    As I stated earlier.. EM is a masterpiece.
  • facepollution
    facepollution Posts: 6,834
    GuiltyBystander wrote:
    As I stated earlier.. EM is a masterpiece.

    Too damn right it is, as good as anything else he's ever recorded.
  • muppet
    muppet Posts: 980
    searchlightsoul wrote:
    I've gotta say that I have never really understood what people found so difficult to take about EM. I mean, it sounds exactly how I would have expected a Cornell solo record post-SG to sound (except maybe acoustic).

    There are the abstract lyrics, psychedellic guitars and weird guitar tunnings-all features pretty reminiscent of a certain band beginning with S and ending with n......

    I dunno, it's got that whole werid synth/keyboard stuff going down which may put off people who want the "rawk." But I still think it's an accesible (but still deep) record. I loved it the moment I heard it.
  • mole1985
    mole1985 Posts: 1,119
    reversedarwinism wrote:
    I would love to catch a show off this tour. Sounds amazing and Long Gone is sounding damn good live and Watch Out isn't bad. I'm starting to like the five new tracks more. I understand so many not liking it, but I like timbaland's music for what it is. That type of music doesn't stick with me like rock does, but I like it for what it is. I'll be picking this album up when it comes out. I think there is a pretty good chance it will be better than Carry On. Cornell will do some good albums in the future of who knows what genres, and his live shows continue to kick ass. This album will undoubtedly throw many fans off, but future albums will bring many of them back.

    Pretty sums up my feelings on the whole situation.
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  • muppet
    muppet Posts: 980
    I would love to catch a show off this tour. Sounds amazing and Long Gone is sounding damn good live and Watch Out isn't bad. I'm starting to like the five new tracks more. I understand so many not liking it, but I like timbaland's music for what it is. That type of music doesn't stick with me like rock does, but I like it for what it is. I'll be picking this album up when it comes out. I think there is a pretty good chance it will be better than Carry On. Cornell will do some good albums in the future of who knows what genres, and his live shows continue to kick ass. This album will undoubtedly throw many fans off, but future albums will bring many of them back.

    I kind of agree with that. Like I've said many times, I do like the songs and I suppose at the end of the day that's all that matters. But for me, there's a difference between liking them and loving them. Cornell has set so many high standards in his career that I can't hear the music "for what it is."

    I don't think he's lost it or anything. I didn't like Carry On but I thought Revelations was a fantastic record, and that was only released just under 2 years ago.
  • teskeinc
    teskeinc Posts: 1,784
    Was the weakest of the 4 solo shows I have seen in the past year and a half. Also the shortest at around 1:45.Didnt look close to being sold out and not near as many as the last time he played HOB Vegas. Really no rarities or something you would say ,damn didnt think I would hear that.

    First thing was the dreadlocked gangsta dude on the keyboards, I couldn't really hear him at all but he seemed to be doing something on all the songs except for the 3 Chris did acoustic. Kinda pissed me off when Chris was sitting on the base of the drums at the beggining of "Hunger Strike" and the black dude was swaying his hands back in forth slowly like it was some sort of joke. He was doing that sort of Hip Hop shit all night on most songs.

    The 2 new songs he played "Watch Out" and "Long Gone" were better than the studio version of course but were still very sub-par. The band looked really uninspired playing them and Chris seemed to be trying to sell them very hard. One thing I noticed was some thug-like characters backstage which seemed almost like some of Timbalands crew making sure he was playing these songs and trying to promote them. Never seen those types at a Cornell show or hanging side stage. I was front row side of balcony , which was really close and right over the stage at the HOB, when "Long Gone " started just seemed like a mass of people left their seats for a pis or beer break and the pit just kinda stood in a stupor. I noticed a couple people going (Outshined crazy) overly crazy, either they were Cornell Forum KoolAid Drinkers or Timbaland plants. Either way the 2 new songs were the least recepted. It really killed the momentum of the set.

    Anyways alot of classics, Spoonman , Rusty Cage, Outshined , JCP, Like A Stone, Black Hole Sun, Hunger Strike , Cant Change Me and Sunshower was a fabulous opener. All in all I guess it was a decent performance, but more than likely I wont spend the money on another anytime soon. Definitely not ever travelling to see him and wont buy the new album.

    Thanks for the memories Chris, I hope one of the new Timbaland era fans is as dedicated as I have been for the past 18 years. Good Luck with the new crap.
  • Kilgore_Trout
    Kilgore_Trout Posts: 7,334
    thats the worst part of these new songs... even if i give chris the benefit of the doubt and still go see him live because his voice sounds great, the rarities likes "slaves and bulldozers" he played on his last tour are gonna be dropped now in favor of SG "hits" and his new bullshit... he used to mix it up enough to be interesting but i have a feeling everyone of these shows has the same setlist... fuck the live and the studio... his hair still has a few more inches to grow before hes in full old school SG physical form... maybe thats what he needs to get back to his grunge roots... samson-like strength :D
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  • Gonzo1977
    Gonzo1977 Posts: 1,696
    Hmmm..Not really digging this one.

    Is this that Timberland fiasco that everyone has been talking about?
  • reversedarwinism
    reversedarwinism Posts: 1,151
    teskeinc wrote:
    Was the weakest of the 4 solo shows I have seen in the past year and a half. Also the shortest at around 1:45.Didnt look close to being sold out and not near as many as the last time he played HOB Vegas. Really no rarities or something you would say ,damn didnt think I would hear that.

    First thing was the dreadlocked gangsta dude on the keyboards, I couldn't really hear him at all but he seemed to be doing something on all the songs except for the 3 Chris did acoustic. Kinda pissed me off when Chris was sitting on the base of the drums at the beggining of "Hunger Strike" and the black dude was swaying his hands back in forth slowly like it was some sort of joke. He was doing that sort of Hip Hop shit all night on most songs.

    The 2 new songs he played "Watch Out" and "Long Gone" were better than the studio version of course but were still very sub-par. The band looked really uninspired playing them and Chris seemed to be trying to sell them very hard. One thing I noticed was some thug-like characters backstage which seemed almost like some of Timbalands crew making sure he was playing these songs and trying to promote them. Never seen those types at a Cornell show or hanging side stage. I was front row side of balcony , which was really close and right over the stage at the HOB, when "Long Gone " started just seemed like a mass of people left their seats for a pis or beer break and the pit just kinda stood in a stupor. I noticed a couple people going (Outshined crazy) overly crazy, either they were Cornell Forum KoolAid Drinkers or Timbaland plants. Either way the 2 new songs were the least recepted. It really killed the momentum of the set.

    Anyways alot of classics, Spoonman , Rusty Cage, Outshined , JCP, Like A Stone, Black Hole Sun, Hunger Strike , Cant Change Me and Sunshower was a fabulous opener. All in all I guess it was a decent performance, but more than likely I wont spend the money on another anytime soon. Definitely not ever travelling to see him and wont buy the new album.

    Thanks for the memories Chris, I hope one of the new Timbaland era fans is as dedicated as I have been for the past 18 years. Good Luck with the new crap.

    So the actual show was still good, right? Seems like you read a little too much into the "characters" there. I mean, he is opening for another band that has a definite hip-hop side. Your assumptions are pretty far out there. In every show I've seen, the crowd doesn't respond to the new songs very much, especially when the album is yet to be released. PJ fans are no different in that respect. Of course many of the songs on this album may never warrant much of a response, just like I can't see myself getting too excited about hearing most songs off Avocado live.
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  • teskeinc
    teskeinc Posts: 1,784
    This wasnt the projekt revolution tour show , this was his own solo show , the only one so far. He said that since that tour didnt come through Vegas so he was gonna stop by and see us on his own.

    Like I said it was the weakest of the 4 solo shows Ive seen. The 1st HOB show last year was amazing. It blew me away. It was 2:15 min of awesome. This show in the same venue was 1:45 and sounded way worse than the previous. His equipment may have been different. His band was awesome , those guys dont get enough credit. They really rock.

    Chris Cornell is a great performer and I dont think he could ever suck. The new songs are horrible. Thats my opinion. They ruin the flow of the concert. Hopefully it will all blow over when the album doesnt sell and Timbaland quits wasting his time with Chris. Its not about music its about the bling for Timbaland.

    Oh Yeah , and it does really suck to have to hear these new songs in place of a TOTD track or a Euphoria Morning song. I love pretty much everything Chris has done even Carry On was cool with me. Just sad ....
  • Rhinocerous Surprise
    Rhinocerous Surprise Posts: 4,423
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  • OffHeGoes132
    OffHeGoes132 Posts: 594
    teskeinc wrote:
    This wasnt the projekt revolution tour show , this was his own solo show , the only one so far. He said that since that tour didnt come through Vegas so he was gonna stop by and see us on his own.

    Like I said it was the weakest of the 4 solo shows Ive seen. The 1st HOB show last year was amazing. It blew me away. It was 2:15 min of awesome. This show in the same venue was 1:45 and sounded way worse than the previous. His equipment may have been different. His band was awesome , those guys dont get enough credit. They really rock.

    Chris Cornell is a great performer and I dont think he could ever suck. The new songs are horrible. Thats my opinion. They ruin the flow of the concert. Hopefully it will all blow over when the album doesnt sell and Timbaland quits wasting his time with Chris. Its not about music its about the bling for Timbaland.

    Oh Yeah , and it does really suck to have to hear these new songs in place of a TOTD track or a Euphoria Morning song. I love pretty much everything Chris has done even Carry On was cool with me. Just sad ....

    I like your review, I've kind of been waiting to hear some feedback on how the other band members seem to "enjoy" playing the new crap. And I agree about him mixing this new shit in place of something older. "That song was Say Hello 2 Heaven everyone, a song about a lost friend...anyway, this next song is called WATCH OUT!!!"
  • reversedarwinism
    reversedarwinism Posts: 1,151
    Not starting a new thread... I was just playing #1 Zero on the Itunes. Its got to be one of the best songs in Cornell's catolog. I saw Audioslave perform the song in concert. He should play this one live.
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  • TheEvolution
    TheEvolution Posts: 143
    Come on this is a guy who has def payed his dues in the music business, if he wants to work with Timbaland and make this kind of stuff then he should be able to. Did you expect him to have a solo album full of songs like jesus christ pose, he is older and his music is gonna vary. Eddie talked a while back about making a techno record...god forbid if he did something he wanted to do. Chris's song isn't bad its just not what were used to.
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  • CCRefugee
    CCRefugee Posts: 76
    TheEvolution wrote:
    Come on this is a guy who has def payed his dues in the music business, if he wants to work with Timbaland and make this kind of stuff then he should be able to. Did you expect him to have a solo album full of songs like jesus christ pose, he is older and his music is gonna vary. Eddie talked a while back about making a techno record...god forbid if he did something he wanted to do. Chris's song isn't bad its just not what were used to.

    How would you feel if he did it in the most generic way possible, to hit a Top 40 crowd?

    I'm sure if Cobain was still alive, he would have come up with some weird shit too. But, that's the key. Weird, different, creative, whatever. This is really none of that. Chris is capable of writing so much better than this, even if he has to meet Timbaland in the middle, and you know, maybe challenge him to do something better than his usual pro tools fare with the occasional annoying noise as a beat.

    Did he meet him in the middle? Hell no. I don't think Timbaland nudged one bit on this. Kinda ironic.

    And I don't think anyone expects a Badmotorfinger reprise. That would be just as silly. But, geez, use your talent some, he was a much better musician when he didn't want to be a rock star, instead of now, where he fully embraces it, and he floats.

    I mean, where's the guitar? It's gone missing. The guitar smashing cover art for this album is hilarious. He left the guitar behind years ago. LOL, you normally see frontmen who can't play the guitar and pick it up as they go along. I mean, even Axl Rose got off his ass and tried to. Chris has done the opposite.
  • teskeinc
    teskeinc Posts: 1,784
    TheEvolution wrote:
    Come on this is a guy who has def payed his dues in the music business, if he wants to work with Timbaland and make this kind of stuff then he should be able to. Did you expect him to have a solo album full of songs like jesus christ pose, he is older and his music is gonna vary. Eddie talked a while back about making a techno record...god forbid if he did something he wanted to do. Chris's song isn't bad its just not what were used to.
    cmon dude, i know youre entitled to your opinion and he can of course do whatever he wants but how many 44 year old skinny white guys are making hip hop records? If he wrote the songs himself I think people might be a little more open to the new direction. But this is just Timbaland songs featuring " any artist here" there is nothing original about it. I f you like hip hop or Timbalands crew , youre in luck but most of Chris Cornell faithful who have been around for the better part of 20 years are smart and music savvy and they know what is good and what is bad. If Ed did a techno record you better believe there would have been 10x the backlash Cornell has heard. Face the facts, He didnt sell out the House of Blues in Las Vegas last night , the smallest live music venue on the strip. Its sad but as great as Cornell is live, his relevence declines every day.
  • searchlightsoul
    searchlightsoul Posts: 583
    teskeinc wrote:
    cmon dude, i know youre entitled to your opinion and he can of course do whatever he wants but how many 44 year old skinny white guys are making hip hop records? If he wrote the songs himself I think people might be a little more open to the new direction. But this is just Timbaland songs featuring " any artist here" there is nothing original about it. I f you like hip hop or Timbalands crew , youre in luck but most of Chris Cornell faithful who have been around for the better part of 20 years are smart and music savvy and they know what is good and what is bad. If Ed did a techno record you better believe there would have been 10x the backlash Cornell has heard. Face the facts, He didnt sell out the House of Blues in Las Vegas last night , the smallest live music venue on the strip. Its sad but as great as Cornell is live, his relevence declines every day.

    I don't like the new stuff, but I totally expected cornell to do some far out shit. With SG he spent the better part of 10 years in the underground Seattle Scene, washing dishes before they made it big- the guy has def paid his dues.

    Cornell has made his career out of genre jumps. I think his fans are used to it to a *degree*. Ed is comfy within the scared fold of PJ.

    And wasn't that like his fourth show in that city? I don't know many artists that would sell out repeatedly including PJ.

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