I need more info on Compulsory Service for kids ages 18-25

decides2dream

VINNY GOOMBA wrote:

If the government didn't explicitly have a certain degree of authority, and the use of said authority could potentially impede the rights of its citizens, why give it to them? I've said it before, they may not want to hang us, but why give them the rope? They have no LEGAL authority to do so. They only have their size and power to impose it on us-- that's totalitarianism.

You don't think Freedom of Speech is being more and more limited? The right to bear arms? Unreasonable search and seizure happening more often (in the name of security or not)?

I'm not saying I don't love this country, but it's quite clear that the government is getting more and more into our lives everyday. Whether their intentions are good or not, it's not their place, and it wasn't meant to be this way.

i don't disagree with your overall assessment, and even your ending. however, perhaps we as a country are changing? perhaps we as a people may see a need or desire to allow more government access? idk. i mean, when this country was first started, there were a LOT of things that weren't in place, more than likely a LOT of things occuring in the world today that our forefathers could not even possibly have the ability to imagine concerning themselves with. and believe me, i am not outright saying oh let the government run everything, give them access to everything! not at all......just that, we as a people may simply be changing how we want to be governed, what we want our government to do for us, in service to us.....and isn't that all about the will of the people? just sayin', some things are evolution perhaps? possible at least...


however, in regards to the thread topic.....it's all what-ifs, and has been established, NOT compulsory, so while i am not saying to keep a cautious eye on things, i also see no reason to go in panic mode just yet. not on this issue, anyway......

VINNY GOOMBA

decides2dream wrote:

however, in regards to the thread topic.....it's all what-ifs, and has been established, NOT compulsory, so while i am not saying to keep a cautious eye on things, i also see no reason to go in panic mode just yet. not on this issue, anyway......

In my eyes, if people want to see volunteerism soar in this country, to the point where they want someone to PAY for it-- start up a not-for profit company that runs on donations and pays volunteers. Don't take it out of my paycheck.

slightofjeff

DriftingByTheStorm wrote:

decides2dream wrote:

ledvedderman wrote:

it also is NOT compulsory, at least that is my understanding...

And by "yet", i don't mean that in 3 years some "loophole" will close, evil-obama will un-mask, and all your children will be enslaved.

Appropos of nothing, this sentence made me giggle.

slightofjeff

VINNY GOOMBA wrote:

decides2dream wrote:

however, in regards to the thread topic.....it's all what-ifs, and has been established, NOT compulsory, so while i am not saying to keep a cautious eye on things, i also see no reason to go in panic mode just yet. not on this issue, anyway......

In my eyes, if people want to see volunteerism soar in this country, to the point where they want someone to PAY for it-- start up a not-for profit company that runs on donations and pays volunteers. Don't take it out of my paycheck.

paid volunteer.

Is that sort of like jumbo shrimp?

decides2dream

VINNY GOOMBA wrote:

decides2dream wrote:

however, in regards to the thread topic.....it's all what-ifs, and has been established, NOT compulsory, so while i am not saying to keep a cautious eye on things, i also see no reason to go in panic mode just yet. not on this issue, anyway......

In my eyes, if people want to see volunteerism soar in this country, to the point where they want someone to PAY for it-- start up a not-for profit company that runs on donations and pays volunteers. Don't take it out of my paycheck.

i get that.

VINNY GOOMBA

slightofjeff wrote:

VINNY GOOMBA wrote:

decides2dream wrote:

however, in regards to the thread topic.....it's all what-ifs, and has been established, NOT compulsory, so while i am not saying to keep a cautious eye on things, i also see no reason to go in panic mode just yet. not on this issue, anyway......

In my eyes, if people want to see volunteerism soar in this country, to the point where they want someone to PAY for it-- start up a not-for profit company that runs on donations and pays volunteers. Don't take it out of my paycheck.

paid volunteer.

Is that sort of like jumbo shrimp?

Yeah, something like that

yahamita

What can you tell me about this guy in the video??? I'm having a hard time getting it to play

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wJ5gMKnl07w

ajedigecko

i guess i am under the assumption that this program is geared toward college aged individuals.

seems like a great program to me, if you ask the people who pay taxes for assistance, then the people who pay taxes should receive some form of return. and it looks like the return is..........labor.

now if you do not ask the tax payers for a loan............then no need to assist in civil service.

yahamita

ajedigecko wrote:

i guess i am under the assumption that this program is geared toward college aged individuals.

seems like a great program to me, if you ask the people who pay taxes for assistance, then the people who pay taxes should receive some form of return. and it looks like the return is..........labor.

now if you do not ask the tax payers for a loan............then no need to assist in civil service.

No more tax returns, take it out in trade?? Labor?? YIKES! I will continue to research this, thanks..

Dirtie_Frank

Cosmo wrote:

Well... the way I see it... anything mandatory by the government is probably something you really don't want a part of.
But... how about giving kids, 18 year olds, another option than enlisting into military service? You know, all those C-average kids and those kids whose parents cannot afford a college tuition... how 'bout giving them some of those benefits that are offered to military voluenteers. Sure, not as much as the military, because those kids are going to face hostile forces. Maybe, assistance with college tuitions after their voluenteer service.

Not for nothing but the money the military members is not free money. I mean it is a hell of an investment but at least when I was in I paid 100 a month and served for 4 years to get the college money I have. A little more then 100 hours then other people were talking about

yahamita

Dirtie_Frank wrote:

Cosmo wrote:

Well... the way I see it... anything mandatory by the government is probably something you really don't want a part of.
But... how about giving kids, 18 year olds, another option than enlisting into military service? You know, all those C-average kids and those kids whose parents cannot afford a college tuition... how 'bout giving them some of those benefits that are offered to military voluenteers. Sure, not as much as the military, because those kids are going to face hostile forces. Maybe, assistance with college tuitions after their voluenteer service.

Not for nothing but the money the military members is not free money. I mean it is a hell of an investment but at least when I was in I paid 100 a month and served for 4 years to get the college money I have. A little more then 100 hours then other people were talking about

Can you give me a bit more info. What type of program was this? Who ran the program? What state are you in? What did you get out of it? Was it a good idea?

Dirtie_Frank

yahamita wrote:

Dirtie_Frank wrote:

Cosmo wrote:

Well... the way I see it... anything mandatory by the government is probably something you really don't want a part of.
But... how about giving kids, 18 year olds, another option than enlisting into military service? You know, all those C-average kids and those kids whose parents cannot afford a college tuition... how 'bout giving them some of those benefits that are offered to military voluenteers. Sure, not as much as the military, because those kids are going to face hostile forces. Maybe, assistance with college tuitions after their voluenteer service.

Not for nothing but the money the military members is not free money. I mean it is a hell of an investment but at least when I was in I paid 100 a month and served for 4 years to get the college money I have. A little more then 100 hours then other people were talking about

Can you give me a bit more info. What type of program was this? Who ran the program? What state are you in? What did you get out of it? Was it a good idea?

It was the GI bill, it has changed since I was in. Just do a google search of that and it will tell you everything you need to know.

DrewRWx

The GI Bill is, in my opinion, probably one of the best pieces of American legislation. It was a gigantic step in repaying the service that American soldiers gave to our nation.