I need more info on Compulsory Service for kids ages 18-25

yahamitayahamita Posts: 1,514
edited June 2009 in A Moving Train
http://www.examiner.com/x-536-Civil-Lib ... al-service
I don't want my 17 year old to be a part of this. Can anyone post a few links for me to check out?
Thanks
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  • jlew24asujlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    you aren't so crazy after all. I agree with you on this. good luck in your search. but please keep you 17 year old away from "those people" you follow. you know what I'm talking about ;)
  • yahamitayahamita Posts: 1,514
    jlew24asu wrote:
    you aren't so crazy after all. I agree with you on this. good luck in your search. but please keep you 17 year old away from "those people" you follow. you know what I'm talking about ;)
    Not following, just watching very closely! :shock: hehehe
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  • VINNY GOOMBAVINNY GOOMBA Posts: 1,818
    Research the "GIVE Act" for one. I would try govtrack.us and search it there.

    It's hard to tell whether it is truly mandatory or not, last I checked.
  • skyeriverwinterskyeriverwinter Posts: 1,894
    edited June 2009
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  • ledveddermanledvedderman Posts: 7,761
    Well, the Presidents proposal calls for 100 hours of community service in return for a $4,000 tax credit. I like that a lot more than the book mentioned in the link. Sure Rahmbo has the President's ear, but no politician..NO politician is dumb enough to put something like this out there.
  • jlew24asujlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    Well, the Presidents proposal calls for 100 hours of community service in return for a $4,000 tax credit. I like that a lot more than the book mentioned in the link. Sure Rahmbo has the President's ear, but no politician..NO politician is dumb enough to put something like this out there.

    well thats different. and fair I think.
  • decides2dreamdecides2dream Posts: 14,977
    Well, the Presidents proposal calls for 100 hours of community service in return for a $4,000 tax credit. I like that a lot more than the book mentioned in the link. Sure Rahmbo has the President's ear, but no politician..NO politician is dumb enough to put something like this out there.



    it also is NOT compulsory, at least that is my understanding....just that to recieve said tax credit, said community service must be performed. seems a fair deal. that said, i've not heard anything about compulsory service for 18-25 year olds.... :shock:. glad to know it is not TRUE. the age of the internet...can help spread paranoia even if you're not paranoid. ;) tho sure...it does help spread TRUE information too, thank bejeebus........
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  • it also is NOT compulsory, at least that is my understanding...


    Here is the problem.
    You're right,
    it's not "mandatory" ...
    yet.

    And by "yet", i don't mean that in 3 years some "loophole" will close, evil-obama will un-mask, and all your children will be enslaved.

    I mean that the language of these proposals leaves some serious questions about "curriculum requirements".
    The Federal government may say it is "voluntary", but the Federal Government also runs the Department of Education. And along with elite private foundation influence, the Fed Gov plays a big hand in shaping state education boards via "recommendations" and the like.

    What it seems to me like is going to occur at some point or other is the schools will start mandating "volunteer" hours for graduation requirements, thus placing the burden of the legal argument of Federal "Volunteer" Programs constitutionality on to the "state run" school system, which of course for a long time now has been in a process of striping students of their constitutional rights (and i think this is pretty obvious to everyone - ie drug tests, locker searches, lock downs, car searches, &c.)

    At the end of the day,
    what happens when schools start including "volunteer" hours in their graduation requirements?
    These proposed bills do not preclude such villainy, and in fact they seem to tacitly condone it.

    Certainly,
    there are very powerful forces in the "Obama" administration (the Chief of Staff is a case in point) that have openly declared their desire for a mandatory civilian service corp for 18-25 year olds.

    And that alone should be enough to make some of you rethink your position on this topic, much less your position on Obama (and the entire state of our election process, political system, and once dear Republic) more generally.
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  • They're also going to tattoo a serial number on their foreheads at birth and force them to go to bed without dinner.

    I swear, people will buy any old bullshit.
  • keeponrockinkeeponrockin Posts: 7,446
    In Ontario, to graduate high school, you MUST complete 40 hrs of community service over your 4 years. You can do these hours wherever you want, but still, hardly seems like volunteering.
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  • BhagavadGitaBhagavadGita Posts: 1,748
    In Ontario, to graduate high school, you MUST complete 40 hrs of community service over your 4 years. You can do these hours wherever you want, but still, hardly seems like volunteering.

    It's the same here in Washington for high school students.

    I volunteer regularly and make my teen who lives in Indiana volunteer when he visits here in Seattle. All Americans should serve something they believe in, it doesn't have to be the military. It could be a food bank etc...and don't say you don't have time, an hour helping someone makes a difference.

    Most teens I meet who volunteer love it. They get to mix with others their age from different schools but most importantly it's teaching a generation compassion. (Sorry off topic there a bit)
  • CosmoCosmo Posts: 12,225
    Well... the way I see it... anything mandatory by the government is probably something you really don't want a part of.
    But... how about giving kids, 18 year olds, another option than enlisting into military service? You know, all those C-average kids and those kids whose parents cannot afford a college tuition... how 'bout giving them some of those benefits that are offered to military voluenteers. Sure, not as much as the military, because those kids are going to face hostile forces. Maybe, assistance with college tuitions after their voluenteer service.
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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 40,523
    yahamita wrote:
    http://www.examiner.com/x-536-Civil-Liberties-Examiner~y2008m11d6-Obamas-chief-of-staff-choice-favors-compulsory-universal-service
    I don't want my 17 year old to be a part of this. Can anyone post a few links for me to check out?
    Thanks
    What bothers you about this? was it the line about "basic training"? Biggest words that jumped out to me were "CIVILIAN service" Might not be a bad idea for young people to be trained on how to respond to disasters , natural or otherwise . Civil defense doesn't have to connotate military type defense. Seems to me if young people were trained , we wouldn't have to rely on certain gov. agencys (read FEMA) to cluster fuck an already tenious situation.
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  • blackredyellowblackredyellow Posts: 5,889
    Jasunmark wrote:
    They're also going to tattoo a serial number on their foreheads at birth and force them to go to bed without dinner.

    I swear, people will buy any old bullshit.


    yup... and don't forget the RFID chip that they will implant.



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  • decides2dreamdecides2dream Posts: 14,977
    Here is the problem.
    You're right,
    it's not "mandatory" ...
    yet.



    that's all that needs to be said imo. the 'yet'..is just that, possibility. certainly not probability. if it ever starts inching towards 'being' and not just possible...perhaps then i'll start to *worry*...tho i think there are more pressing issues on the table for me.
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  • Well, the Presidents proposal calls for 100 hours of community service in return for a $4,000 tax credit. I like that a lot more than the book mentioned in the link. Sure Rahmbo has the President's ear, but no politician..NO politician is dumb enough to put something like this out there.

    No one ever implements stuff like this in one fell swoop. Like you said, they aren't dumb enough and realize that it is a career killer. But what they do, and I think Drifting covered it pretty well in his post, is they just plant the seeds there and build off it with future changes that at first glance appear not to apply to the same situation but in the future when the wide scope of things is studied, one can see how everything ties together.
  • In Ontario, to graduate high school, you MUST complete 40 hrs of community service over your 4 years. You can do these hours wherever you want, but still, hardly seems like volunteering.

    It's the same here in Washington for high school students.

    I volunteer regularly and make my teen who lives in Indiana volunteer when he visits here in Seattle. All Americans should serve something they believe in, it doesn't have to be the military. It could be a food bank etc...and don't say you don't have time, an hour helping someone makes a difference.

    Most teens I meet who volunteer love it. They get to mix with others their age from different schools but most importantly it's teaching a generation compassion. (Sorry off topic there a bit)

    But see the thing is, you making your teen volunteer when he visits is exactly the opposite of volunteering. It is compulsory service.
  • blackredyellowblackredyellow Posts: 5,889
    Here is the problem.
    You're right,
    it's not "mandatory" ...
    yet.



    that's all that needs to be said imo. the 'yet'..is just that, possibility. certainly not probability. if it ever starts inching towards 'being' and not just possible...perhaps then i'll start to *worry*...tho i think there are more pressing issues on the table for me.


    yeah... you could also say that "people who disagree with the government aren't rounded up in concentration camps yet" or "freedom of speech isn't outlawed yet"...

    It's the conspiracy people who get so hung up on the "yet" that make me shake my head...
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  • yahamitayahamita Posts: 1,514
    edited May 2009
    Just came across this video. I'm having a hard time hearing it and making it work. If anyone can post some highlights from it, I would appreciate it.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wJ5gMKnl07w
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  • VINNY GOOMBAVINNY GOOMBA Posts: 1,818
    Here is the problem.
    You're right,
    it's not "mandatory" ...
    yet.



    that's all that needs to be said imo. the 'yet'..is just that, possibility. certainly not probability. if it ever starts inching towards 'being' and not just possible...perhaps then i'll start to *worry*...tho i think there are more pressing issues on the table for me.


    yeah... you could also say that "people who disagree with the government aren't rounded up in concentration camps yet" or "freedom of speech isn't outlawed yet"...

    It's the conspiracy people who get so hung up on the "yet" that make me shake my head...

    If the government didn't explicitly have a certain degree of authority, and the use of said authority could potentially impede the rights of its citizens, why give it to them? I've said it before, they may not want to hang us, but why give them the rope? They have no LEGAL authority to do so. They only have their size and power to impose it on us-- that's totalitarianism.

    You don't think Freedom of Speech is being more and more limited? The right to bear arms? Unreasonable search and seizure happening more often (in the name of security or not)?

    I'm not saying I don't love this country, but it's quite clear that the government is getting more and more into our lives everyday. Whether their intentions are good or not, it's not their place, and it wasn't meant to be this way.
  • decides2dreamdecides2dream Posts: 14,977
    If the government didn't explicitly have a certain degree of authority, and the use of said authority could potentially impede the rights of its citizens, why give it to them? I've said it before, they may not want to hang us, but why give them the rope? They have no LEGAL authority to do so. They only have their size and power to impose it on us-- that's totalitarianism.

    You don't think Freedom of Speech is being more and more limited? The right to bear arms? Unreasonable search and seizure happening more often (in the name of security or not)?

    I'm not saying I don't love this country, but it's quite clear that the government is getting more and more into our lives everyday. Whether their intentions are good or not, it's not their place, and it wasn't meant to be this way.

    i don't disagree with your overall assessment, and even your ending. however, perhaps we as a country are changing? perhaps we as a people may see a need or desire to allow more government access? idk. i mean, when this country was first started, there were a LOT of things that weren't in place, more than likely a LOT of things occuring in the world today that our forefathers could not even possibly have the ability to imagine concerning themselves with. and believe me, i am not outright saying oh let the government run everything, give them access to everything! not at all......just that, we as a people may simply be changing how we want to be governed, what we want our government to do for us, in service to us.....and isn't that all about the will of the people? just sayin', some things are evolution perhaps? possible at least...


    however, in regards to the thread topic.....it's all what-ifs, and has been established, NOT compulsory, so while i am not saying to keep a cautious eye on things, i also see no reason to go in panic mode just yet. not on this issue, anyway......
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  • VINNY GOOMBAVINNY GOOMBA Posts: 1,818
    however, in regards to the thread topic.....it's all what-ifs, and has been established, NOT compulsory, so while i am not saying to keep a cautious eye on things, i also see no reason to go in panic mode just yet. not on this issue, anyway......

    In my eyes, if people want to see volunteerism soar in this country, to the point where they want someone to PAY for it-- start up a not-for profit company that runs on donations and pays volunteers. Don't take it out of my paycheck.
  • slightofjeffslightofjeff Posts: 7,762
    it also is NOT compulsory, at least that is my understanding...

    And by "yet", i don't mean that in 3 years some "loophole" will close, evil-obama will un-mask, and all your children will be enslaved.

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  • slightofjeffslightofjeff Posts: 7,762
    however, in regards to the thread topic.....it's all what-ifs, and has been established, NOT compulsory, so while i am not saying to keep a cautious eye on things, i also see no reason to go in panic mode just yet. not on this issue, anyway......

    In my eyes, if people want to see volunteerism soar in this country, to the point where they want someone to PAY for it-- start up a not-for profit company that runs on donations and pays volunteers. Don't take it out of my paycheck.

    paid volunteer.

    Is that sort of like jumbo shrimp? :)
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  • decides2dreamdecides2dream Posts: 14,977
    however, in regards to the thread topic.....it's all what-ifs, and has been established, NOT compulsory, so while i am not saying to keep a cautious eye on things, i also see no reason to go in panic mode just yet. not on this issue, anyway......

    In my eyes, if people want to see volunteerism soar in this country, to the point where they want someone to PAY for it-- start up a not-for profit company that runs on donations and pays volunteers. Don't take it out of my paycheck.


    i get that. ;)
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  • VINNY GOOMBAVINNY GOOMBA Posts: 1,818
    however, in regards to the thread topic.....it's all what-ifs, and has been established, NOT compulsory, so while i am not saying to keep a cautious eye on things, i also see no reason to go in panic mode just yet. not on this issue, anyway......

    In my eyes, if people want to see volunteerism soar in this country, to the point where they want someone to PAY for it-- start up a not-for profit company that runs on donations and pays volunteers. Don't take it out of my paycheck.

    paid volunteer.

    Is that sort of like jumbo shrimp? :)
    Yeah, something like that :)
  • yahamitayahamita Posts: 1,514
    What can you tell me about this guy in the video??? I'm having a hard time getting it to play

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wJ5gMKnl07w
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  • ajedigeckoajedigecko \m/deplorable af \m/ Posts: 2,430
    i guess i am under the assumption that this program is geared toward college aged individuals.

    seems like a great program to me, if you ask the people who pay taxes for assistance, then the people who pay taxes should receive some form of return. and it looks like the return is..........labor.

    now if you do not ask the tax payers for a loan............then no need to assist in civil service.
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  • yahamitayahamita Posts: 1,514
    ajedigecko wrote:
    i guess i am under the assumption that this program is geared toward college aged individuals.

    seems like a great program to me, if you ask the people who pay taxes for assistance, then the people who pay taxes should receive some form of return. and it looks like the return is..........labor.

    now if you do not ask the tax payers for a loan............then no need to assist in civil service.
    No more tax returns, take it out in trade?? Labor?? YIKES! I will continue to research this, thanks..
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  • Dirtie_FrankDirtie_Frank Posts: 1,348
    Cosmo wrote:
    Well... the way I see it... anything mandatory by the government is probably something you really don't want a part of.
    But... how about giving kids, 18 year olds, another option than enlisting into military service? You know, all those C-average kids and those kids whose parents cannot afford a college tuition... how 'bout giving them some of those benefits that are offered to military voluenteers. Sure, not as much as the military, because those kids are going to face hostile forces. Maybe, assistance with college tuitions after their voluenteer service.

    Not for nothing but the money the military members is not free money. I mean it is a hell of an investment but at least when I was in I paid 100 a month and served for 4 years to get the college money I have. A little more then 100 hours then other people were talking about
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