I need more info on Compulsory Service for kids ages 18-25

yahamita

http://www.examiner.com/x-536-Civil-Lib ... al-service
I don't want my 17 year old to be a part of this. Can anyone post a few links for me to check out?
Thanks

jlew24asu

you aren't so crazy after all. I agree with you on this. good luck in your search. but please keep you 17 year old away from "those people" you follow. you know what I'm talking about

yahamita

jlew24asu wrote:

you aren't so crazy after all. I agree with you on this. good luck in your search. but please keep you 17 year old away from "those people" you follow. you know what I'm talking about

Not following, just watching very closely! :shock: hehehe

VINNY GOOMBA

Research the "GIVE Act" for one. I would try govtrack.us and search it there.

It's hard to tell whether it is truly mandatory or not, last I checked.

skyeriverwinter

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ledvedderman

Well, the Presidents proposal calls for 100 hours of community service in return for a $4,000 tax credit. I like that a lot more than the book mentioned in the link. Sure Rahmbo has the President's ear, but no politician..NO politician is dumb enough to put something like this out there.

jlew24asu

ledvedderman wrote:

Well, the Presidents proposal calls for 100 hours of community service in return for a $4,000 tax credit. I like that a lot more than the book mentioned in the link. Sure Rahmbo has the President's ear, but no politician..NO politician is dumb enough to put something like this out there.

well thats different. and fair I think.

decides2dream

ledvedderman wrote:

Well, the Presidents proposal calls for 100 hours of community service in return for a $4,000 tax credit. I like that a lot more than the book mentioned in the link. Sure Rahmbo has the President's ear, but no politician..NO politician is dumb enough to put something like this out there.

it also is NOT compulsory, at least that is my understanding....just that to recieve said tax credit, said community service must be performed. seems a fair deal. that said, i've not heard anything about compulsory service for 18-25 year olds.... :shock:. glad to know it is not TRUE. the age of the internet...can help spread paranoia even if you're not paranoid. tho sure...it does help spread TRUE information too, thank bejeebus........

DriftingByTheStorm

decides2dream wrote:

ledvedderman wrote:

it also is NOT compulsory, at least that is my understanding...

Here is the problem.
You're right,
it's not "mandatory" ...
yet.

And by "yet", i don't mean that in 3 years some "loophole" will close, evil-obama will un-mask, and all your children will be enslaved.

I mean that the language of these proposals leaves some serious questions about "curriculum requirements".
The Federal government may say it is "voluntary", but the Federal Government also runs the Department of Education. And along with elite private foundation influence, the Fed Gov plays a big hand in shaping state education boards via "recommendations" and the like.

What it seems to me like is going to occur at some point or other is the schools will start mandating "volunteer" hours for graduation requirements, thus placing the burden of the legal argument of Federal "Volunteer" Programs constitutionality on to the "state run" school system, which of course for a long time now has been in a process of striping students of their constitutional rights (and i think this is pretty obvious to everyone - ie drug tests, locker searches, lock downs, car searches, &c.)

At the end of the day,
what happens when schools start including "volunteer" hours in their graduation requirements?
These proposed bills do not preclude such villainy, and in fact they seem to tacitly condone it.

Certainly,
there are very powerful forces in the "Obama" administration (the Chief of Staff is a case in point) that have openly declared their desire for a mandatory civilian service corp for 18-25 year olds.

And that alone should be enough to make some of you rethink your position on this topic, much less your position on Obama (and the entire state of our election process, political system, and once dear Republic) more generally.

Prince Of Dorkness

They're also going to tattoo a serial number on their foreheads at birth and force them to go to bed without dinner.

I swear, people will buy any old bullshit.

keeponrockin

In Ontario, to graduate high school, you MUST complete 40 hrs of community service over your 4 years. You can do these hours wherever you want, but still, hardly seems like volunteering.

BhagavadGita

keeponrockin wrote:

In Ontario, to graduate high school, you MUST complete 40 hrs of community service over your 4 years. You can do these hours wherever you want, but still, hardly seems like volunteering.

It's the same here in Washington for high school students.

I volunteer regularly and make my teen who lives in Indiana volunteer when he visits here in Seattle. All Americans should serve something they believe in, it doesn't have to be the military. It could be a food bank etc...and don't say you don't have time, an hour helping someone makes a difference.

Most teens I meet who volunteer love it. They get to mix with others their age from different schools but most importantly it's teaching a generation compassion. (Sorry off topic there a bit)

Cosmo

Well... the way I see it... anything mandatory by the government is probably something you really don't want a part of.
But... how about giving kids, 18 year olds, another option than enlisting into military service? You know, all those C-average kids and those kids whose parents cannot afford a college tuition... how 'bout giving them some of those benefits that are offered to military voluenteers. Sure, not as much as the military, because those kids are going to face hostile forces. Maybe, assistance with college tuitions after their voluenteer service.

mickeyrat

yahamita wrote:

http://www.examiner.com/x-536-Civil-Liberties-Examiner~y2008m11d6-Obamas-chief-of-staff-choice-favors-compulsory-universal-service
I don't want my 17 year old to be a part of this. Can anyone post a few links for me to check out?
Thanks

What bothers you about this? was it the line about "basic training"? Biggest words that jumped out to me were "CIVILIAN service" Might not be a bad idea for young people to be trained on how to respond to disasters , natural or otherwise . Civil defense doesn't have to connotate military type defense. Seems to me if young people were trained , we wouldn't have to rely on certain gov. agencys (read FEMA) to cluster fuck an already tenious situation.

blackredyellow

Jasunmark wrote:

They're also going to tattoo a serial number on their foreheads at birth and force them to go to bed without dinner.

I swear, people will buy any old bullshit.

yup... and don't forget the RFID chip that they will implant.



Some people need to get hobbies or something...

decides2dream

DriftingByTheStorm wrote:

Here is the problem.
You're right,
it's not "mandatory" ...
yet.

that's all that needs to be said imo. the 'yet'..is just that, possibility. certainly not probability. if it ever starts inching towards 'being' and not just possible...perhaps then i'll start to *worry*...tho i think there are more pressing issues on the table for me.

Sludge Factory

ledvedderman wrote:

Well, the Presidents proposal calls for 100 hours of community service in return for a $4,000 tax credit. I like that a lot more than the book mentioned in the link. Sure Rahmbo has the President's ear, but no politician..NO politician is dumb enough to put something like this out there.

No one ever implements stuff like this in one fell swoop. Like you said, they aren't dumb enough and realize that it is a career killer. But what they do, and I think Drifting covered it pretty well in his post, is they just plant the seeds there and build off it with future changes that at first glance appear not to apply to the same situation but in the future when the wide scope of things is studied, one can see how everything ties together.

Sludge Factory

BhagavadGita wrote:

keeponrockin wrote:

In Ontario, to graduate high school, you MUST complete 40 hrs of community service over your 4 years. You can do these hours wherever you want, but still, hardly seems like volunteering.

It's the same here in Washington for high school students.

I volunteer regularly and make my teen who lives in Indiana volunteer when he visits here in Seattle. All Americans should serve something they believe in, it doesn't have to be the military. It could be a food bank etc...and don't say you don't have time, an hour helping someone makes a difference.

Most teens I meet who volunteer love it. They get to mix with others their age from different schools but most importantly it's teaching a generation compassion. (Sorry off topic there a bit)

But see the thing is, you making your teen volunteer when he visits is exactly the opposite of volunteering. It is compulsory service.

blackredyellow

decides2dream wrote:

DriftingByTheStorm wrote:

Here is the problem.
You're right,
it's not "mandatory" ...
yet.

that's all that needs to be said imo. the 'yet'..is just that, possibility. certainly not probability. if it ever starts inching towards 'being' and not just possible...perhaps then i'll start to *worry*...tho i think there are more pressing issues on the table for me.

yeah... you could also say that "people who disagree with the government aren't rounded up in concentration camps yet" or "freedom of speech isn't outlawed yet"...

It's the conspiracy people who get so hung up on the "yet" that make me shake my head...

yahamita

Just came across this video. I'm having a hard time hearing it and making it work. If anyone can post some highlights from it, I would appreciate it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wJ5gMKnl07w

VINNY GOOMBA

blackredyellow wrote:

decides2dream wrote:

DriftingByTheStorm wrote:

Here is the problem.
You're right,
it's not "mandatory" ...
yet.

that's all that needs to be said imo. the 'yet'..is just that, possibility. certainly not probability. if it ever starts inching towards 'being' and not just possible...perhaps then i'll start to *worry*...tho i think there are more pressing issues on the table for me.

yeah... you could also say that "people who disagree with the government aren't rounded up in concentration camps yet" or "freedom of speech isn't outlawed yet"...

It's the conspiracy people who get so hung up on the "yet" that make me shake my head...

If the government didn't explicitly have a certain degree of authority, and the use of said authority could potentially impede the rights of its citizens, why give it to them? I've said it before, they may not want to hang us, but why give them the rope? They have no LEGAL authority to do so. They only have their size and power to impose it on us-- that's totalitarianism.

You don't think Freedom of Speech is being more and more limited? The right to bear arms? Unreasonable search and seizure happening more often (in the name of security or not)?

I'm not saying I don't love this country, but it's quite clear that the government is getting more and more into our lives everyday. Whether their intentions are good or not, it's not their place, and it wasn't meant to be this way.