Is South Park's view of 9/11 accurate?

tybird

jlew24asu wrote:

VINNY GOOMBA wrote:

2) That 19 cave-dwelling extremists with plastic box cutters carried out the attack, and that our government was unable to stop them.

the 19 hijackers were not cave dwellers. take out "cave dwellers" and that sentence is not unbelievable at all

I agree....Bin Laden is far from a cave dweller...and the plan was so "outside of the box" to the techno-warriors of the C.I.A. and various other agencies that is the ideal K.I.S.S. effort.

polaris_x

Cosmo wrote:

The Bush Administration was just too inept to be able to pull of such an well-orchestrated conspiracy. All you have to do is look at the way they handled the initial takeover/occupation of Baghdad... that provided enough proof their incompetance. Bush/Cheney only WISH they were adept to pull of the September 11, 2001 attacks as the conspiracy theorists believe.

it depends on what you consider to be the motive of both 9/11 and iraq ... if the goal is to increase the funding to military and engineering firms such as the Carlysle Group and Haliburton (both of which the adminstration has ties to) - then both plans occured as planned ... if iraq was a 3 year operation - they would need to manufacture a reason to attack another country so they can continue to pay those companies money ... but by making sure it's a quagmire - they can be there indefinitely while continuing to pump money into these corporations ...

VINNY GOOMBA

I'm a fan of South Park.

Have you ever noticed although they use some really extreme language and imagery to make their point, they don't really take a stance on anything as far as traditonally 2-sided issues?

The 9/11 episode is a good example: There is a conspiracy, but it's not the one you think. It's a much lesser conspiracy, but it still has a powerful reach.

Abortion: is "cheating that little critter right out of life" but sometimes you have to cheat to win.

The Iraq War: We're a country that was founded on saying one thing, and doing the complete opposite. We get to have our cake and eat it too! We're country AND rock and roll.

Nonetheless, these are two guys who are on top of the world, and who are receiving big paychecks from Viacom-- it's probably not in their best interests to shake things up all that much-- they do a good enough job of making your jaw drop while watching but still haven't pissed off enough people, or powerful enough people to get themselves yanked off the air.

LikeAnOcean

ajedigecko wrote:

you people have lost your mind......................if you think the government "let it happen" intentionally.

It's just my conspiracy theory.. Maybe I worded it wrong. Maybe our government wasn't properly prepared, and didn't really care so much. I didn't mean to make it sound like Bush called up Osama and asked what time they'd be dropping by.

ajedigecko

LikeAnOcean wrote:

ajedigecko wrote:

you people have lost your mind......................if you think the government "let it happen" intentionally.

It's just my conspiracy theory.. Maybe I worded it wrong. Maybe our government wasn't properly prepared, and didn't really care so much. I didn't mean to make it sound like Bush called up Osama and asked what time they'd be dropping by.

good to know.......i agree with you.

who knows, for consipiracy sakes, maybe bush and osama like to play poker.

VINNY GOOMBA

ajedigecko wrote:

LikeAnOcean wrote:

ajedigecko wrote:

you people have lost your mind......................if you think the government "let it happen" intentionally.

It's just my conspiracy theory.. Maybe I worded it wrong. Maybe our government wasn't properly prepared, and didn't really care so much. I didn't mean to make it sound like Bush called up Osama and asked what time they'd be dropping by.

good to know.......i agree with you.

who knows, for consipiracy sakes, maybe bush and osama like to play poker.

Well, maybe not Osama, but other members of his family may have played a few games of hold 'em together.

ajedigecko

damn......i think it would be a great time to play "no limit" with the people on this website/fourm/topic.

WaveCameCrashin

Hey v.g. IM not trying to derail this thread or your post but Your comment on abortion was a little harsh .I realize that most of you are pro choice on here and you are entitled to your beliefs but have any of you ever seen any pics of a late term abortion. Personally I could barley stomach the ones I've seen, and to be honest that's all it took for me.

polaris_x

prfctlefts wrote:

Hey v.g. IM not trying to derail this thread or your post but Your comment on abortion was a little harsh .I realize that most of you are pro choice on here and you are entitled to your beliefs but have any of you ever seen any pics of a late term abortion. Personally I could barley stomach the ones I've seen, and to be honest that's all it took for me.

i think if we saw how animals got slaughtered or how our food gets made in factories - it would turn most people off on eating in general

VINNY GOOMBA

prfctlefts wrote:

Hey v.g. IM not trying to derail this thread or your post but Your comment on abortion was a little harsh .I realize that most of you are pro choice on here and you are entitled to your beliefs but have any of you ever seen any pics of a late term abortion. Personally I could barley stomach the ones I've seen, and to be honest that's all it took for me.

Ha ha, no man, that is not my view on abortion at all... That was South Park's stance on it, at least, that's how I interpreted it. My point was that there is a lot of shock value in what they say, but they usually leave you with this gray area on issues that are traditionally 2-sided. Maybe their point is that there aren't exactly 2 sides to every issue? I can agree with that.

WaveCameCrashin

whew... Sorry didnt see the episode. That's cool cos I was like damn that's pretty cruel to say something lik that.

CAT

TravisTheSky

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encinoman

musicismylife78 wrote:

not sure if matt and trey view South Park as social critique, and educational, or merely a chance to make people laugh, but they do indeed have great social critiques on the show.

One of the more interesting was their take on "was 9/11 an inside job". They show Bush murdering a 9/11 Truther. Seeming to confirm it was an inside job. Then it is shown the guy never died, that they somehow faked his death and that 9/11 wasn't an inside job. It is suggested the government runs the conspiracy websites and that they do this to make themselves look more powerful than they really are, to scare people into doing what they say.

What's everyone's take on this theory? Is it valid at all? Could the government be behind the 9/11 is an inside job movement, and merely want to look all powerful?

Only on a Pearl Jam board...

Pepe Silvia

ledvedderman wrote:

My favorite theory was that they weren't even planes that crashed into the WTC, that they were, in fact,...wait for it...cartoon planes

my favortie was it was missiles with holographic devices attached to make them look like planes

Pepe Silvia

polaris_x wrote:

Cosmo wrote:

The Bush Administration was just too inept to be able to pull of such an well-orchestrated conspiracy. All you have to do is look at the way they handled the initial takeover/occupation of Baghdad... that provided enough proof their incompetance. Bush/Cheney only WISH they were adept to pull of the September 11, 2001 attacks as the conspiracy theorists believe.

it depends on what you consider to be the motive of both 9/11 and iraq ... if the goal is to increase the funding to military and engineering firms such as the Carlysle Group and Haliburton (both of which the adminstration has ties to) - then both plans occured as planned ... if iraq was a 3 year operation - they would need to manufacture a reason to attack another country so they can continue to pay those companies money ... but by making sure it's a quagmire - they can be there indefinitely while continuing to pump money into these corporations ...

i don't know what happened but i've never understood the plane that hit the pentagon....BEFORE it even reached DC airspace the wtc had been hit twice. by then the Cheney said 'it was clear we were under attack' so....Bush is being flown away and Cheney, former sec of Defense, is in control surrounded by other people....the towers had been hit twice by hijacked planes, he says it's obvious we're under attack, they know the plane on it's way to DC is hijacked and yet it's allowed to approach DC, penetrate the no fly zone and multi-trillion dollar defense network, fly into virginia, turn around, penetrate the no fly zone and multi-trillion $ defense network AGAIN and hit a pretty much unoccupied area of the pentagon and THEN Cheney, again former Sec of Defense, gives the order to scramble jets???? Andrew's Air Force Base is maybe 10 min from DC, they could've been up and ready to go in no time but they waited.

I don't think Bush was involved at all. He has consistently proven to be nothing but a useful idiot. i remember when they cut student loans and other educational programs a day or 2 later he was asked at a town hall type meeting and Bush had no fucking clue what they were talking about despite having supposedly just made this decision a day or 2 before! he even asked the person with the question if they were sure about it! i think Bush was clueless about a lot of stuff going on.

that said, i think if there was some form of involvement it wasn't the government, per se, but a few individuals with a lot of connections and clout and i can see them letting it happen or even having some part in it happening.

a lot happened because of 9/11. on 9/10 it came out there was trillions unaccounted for in the defense budget and Rumsfeld vowed to lead a thorough investigation into it, which was put on hold the next day and never actually started. there were a lot of SEC files for cases destroyed, there was a far higher level of put options on those airlines placed (seems like an obvious leada to follow but never was)

what's more damaging is it was found out the head of the ISI (Pakistan's CIA) wired a large chunk of money to Mohammed Atta less than a week before but again, nothing was done about that. we attacked Afghanistan because they said "show us proof Osama did it and we'll gladly hand him over" but here we have an actual apparatus of a foreign government being involved and we do nothing??

also, it seemed to work out well for Cheney, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, Libby, Cohen, Kristol......'s group, project for a new american century, who just a year prior to this, in september of 2000 wrote a report saying we need to invade Iraq, we need to build more nukes, spend more money on weapons.....in which they mention:

"Further, the process of transformation, even if it brings revolutionary change, is likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event – like a new Pearl Harbor."

http://www.newamericancentury.org/Rebui ... fenses.pdf

jlew24asu

must.....not.....post.....here....

cornnifer

Citizens gleaming deep socio-political philosophy from South Park. i'm off to add that to my list of things i love about America in the "God Bless America" thread.

jlew24asu

cornnifer wrote:

Citizens gleaming deep socio-political philosophy from South Park. i'm off to add that to my list of things i love about America in the "God Bless America" thread.

the rest of your list was quite classy I must say. good job