not sure if matt and trey view South Park as social critique, and educational, or merely a chance to make people laugh, but they do indeed have great social critiques on the show.
One of the more interesting was their take on "was 9/11 an inside job". They show Bush murdering a 9/11 Truther. Seeming to confirm it was an inside job. Then it is shown the guy never died, that they somehow faked his death and that 9/11 wasn't an inside job. It is suggested the government runs the conspiracy websites and that they do this to make themselves look more powerful than they really are, to scare people into doing what they say.
What's everyone's take on this theory? Is it valid at all? Could the government be behind the 9/11 is an inside job movement, and merely want to look all powerful?
My favorite theory was that they weren't even planes that crashed into the WTC, that they were, in fact,...wait for it...cartoon planes
my favortie was it was missiles with holographic devices attached to make them look like planes
don't compete; coexist
what are you but my reflection? who am i to judge or strike you down?
"I will promise you this, that if we have not gotten our troops out by the time I am president, it is the first thing I will do. I will get our troops home. We will bring an end to this war. You can take that to the bank." - Barack Obama
when you told me 'if you can't beat 'em, join 'em'
i was thinkin 'death before dishonor'
The Bush Administration was just too inept to be able to pull of such an well-orchestrated conspiracy. All you have to do is look at the way they handled the initial takeover/occupation of Baghdad... that provided enough proof their incompetance. Bush/Cheney only WISH they were adept to pull of the September 11, 2001 attacks as the conspiracy theorists believe.
it depends on what you consider to be the motive of both 9/11 and iraq ... if the goal is to increase the funding to military and engineering firms such as the Carlysle Group and Haliburton (both of which the adminstration has ties to) - then both plans occured as planned ... if iraq was a 3 year operation - they would need to manufacture a reason to attack another country so they can continue to pay those companies money ... but by making sure it's a quagmire - they can be there indefinitely while continuing to pump money into these corporations ...
i don't know what happened but i've never understood the plane that hit the pentagon....BEFORE it even reached DC airspace the wtc had been hit twice. by then the Cheney said 'it was clear we were under attack' so....Bush is being flown away and Cheney, former sec of Defense, is in control surrounded by other people....the towers had been hit twice by hijacked planes, he says it's obvious we're under attack, they know the plane on it's way to DC is hijacked and yet it's allowed to approach DC, penetrate the no fly zone and multi-trillion dollar defense network, fly into virginia, turn around, penetrate the no fly zone and multi-trillion $ defense network AGAIN and hit a pretty much unoccupied area of the pentagon and THEN Cheney, again former Sec of Defense, gives the order to scramble jets???? Andrew's Air Force Base is maybe 10 min from DC, they could've been up and ready to go in no time but they waited.
I don't think Bush was involved at all. He has consistently proven to be nothing but a useful idiot. i remember when they cut student loans and other educational programs a day or 2 later he was asked at a town hall type meeting and Bush had no fucking clue what they were talking about despite having supposedly just made this decision a day or 2 before! he even asked the person with the question if they were sure about it! i think Bush was clueless about a lot of stuff going on.
that said, i think if there was some form of involvement it wasn't the government, per se, but a few individuals with a lot of connections and clout and i can see them letting it happen or even having some part in it happening.
a lot happened because of 9/11. on 9/10 it came out there was trillions unaccounted for in the defense budget and Rumsfeld vowed to lead a thorough investigation into it, which was put on hold the next day and never actually started. there were a lot of SEC files for cases destroyed, there was a far higher level of put options on those airlines placed (seems like an obvious leada to follow but never was)
what's more damaging is it was found out the head of the ISI (Pakistan's CIA) wired a large chunk of money to Mohammed Atta less than a week before but again, nothing was done about that. we attacked Afghanistan because they said "show us proof Osama did it and we'll gladly hand him over" but here we have an actual apparatus of a foreign government being involved and we do nothing??
also, it seemed to work out well for Cheney, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, Libby, Cohen, Kristol......'s group, project for a new american century, who just a year prior to this, in september of 2000 wrote a report saying we need to invade Iraq, we need to build more nukes, spend more money on weapons.....in which they mention:
"Further, the process of transformation, even if it brings revolutionary change, is likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event – like a new Pearl Harbor."
what are you but my reflection? who am i to judge or strike you down?
"I will promise you this, that if we have not gotten our troops out by the time I am president, it is the first thing I will do. I will get our troops home. We will bring an end to this war. You can take that to the bank." - Barack Obama
when you told me 'if you can't beat 'em, join 'em'
i was thinkin 'death before dishonor'
Citizens gleaming deep socio-political philosophy from South Park. i'm off to add that to my list of things i love about America in the "God Bless America" thread.
"When all your friends and sedatives mean well but make it worse... better find yourself a place to level out."
Citizens gleaming deep socio-political philosophy from South Park. i'm off to add that to my list of things i love about America in the "God Bless America" thread.
the rest of your list was quite classy I must say. good job
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my favortie was it was missiles with holographic devices attached to make them look like planes
what are you but my reflection? who am i to judge or strike you down?
"I will promise you this, that if we have not gotten our troops out by the time I am president, it is the first thing I will do. I will get our troops home. We will bring an end to this war. You can take that to the bank." - Barack Obama
when you told me 'if you can't beat 'em, join 'em'
i was thinkin 'death before dishonor'
i don't know what happened but i've never understood the plane that hit the pentagon....BEFORE it even reached DC airspace the wtc had been hit twice. by then the Cheney said 'it was clear we were under attack' so....Bush is being flown away and Cheney, former sec of Defense, is in control surrounded by other people....the towers had been hit twice by hijacked planes, he says it's obvious we're under attack, they know the plane on it's way to DC is hijacked and yet it's allowed to approach DC, penetrate the no fly zone and multi-trillion dollar defense network, fly into virginia, turn around, penetrate the no fly zone and multi-trillion $ defense network AGAIN and hit a pretty much unoccupied area of the pentagon and THEN Cheney, again former Sec of Defense, gives the order to scramble jets???? Andrew's Air Force Base is maybe 10 min from DC, they could've been up and ready to go in no time but they waited.
I don't think Bush was involved at all. He has consistently proven to be nothing but a useful idiot. i remember when they cut student loans and other educational programs a day or 2 later he was asked at a town hall type meeting and Bush had no fucking clue what they were talking about despite having supposedly just made this decision a day or 2 before! he even asked the person with the question if they were sure about it! i think Bush was clueless about a lot of stuff going on.
that said, i think if there was some form of involvement it wasn't the government, per se, but a few individuals with a lot of connections and clout and i can see them letting it happen or even having some part in it happening.
a lot happened because of 9/11. on 9/10 it came out there was trillions unaccounted for in the defense budget and Rumsfeld vowed to lead a thorough investigation into it, which was put on hold the next day and never actually started. there were a lot of SEC files for cases destroyed, there was a far higher level of put options on those airlines placed (seems like an obvious leada to follow but never was)
what's more damaging is it was found out the head of the ISI (Pakistan's CIA) wired a large chunk of money to Mohammed Atta less than a week before but again, nothing was done about that. we attacked Afghanistan because they said "show us proof Osama did it and we'll gladly hand him over" but here we have an actual apparatus of a foreign government being involved and we do nothing??
also, it seemed to work out well for Cheney, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, Libby, Cohen, Kristol......'s group, project for a new american century, who just a year prior to this, in september of 2000 wrote a report saying we need to invade Iraq, we need to build more nukes, spend more money on weapons.....in which they mention:
"Further, the process of transformation, even if it brings revolutionary change, is likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event – like a new Pearl Harbor."
http://www.newamericancentury.org/Rebui ... fenses.pdf
what are you but my reflection? who am i to judge or strike you down?
"I will promise you this, that if we have not gotten our troops out by the time I am president, it is the first thing I will do. I will get our troops home. We will bring an end to this war. You can take that to the bank." - Barack Obama
when you told me 'if you can't beat 'em, join 'em'
i was thinkin 'death before dishonor'
the rest of your list was quite classy I must say. good job