pearl jam & walmart!

CJMST3K

I'll just say I'm glad Gore didn't become president. Otherwise his wife Tipper would have had clout to go further into censorship. She went against Frank Zappa in front of Congress to get those "warning" stickers (also known as Tipper Stickers) onto CDs. What was next...

DewieCox

CJMST3K wrote:

I'll just say I'm glad Gore didn't become president. Otherwise his wife Tipper would have had clout to go further into censorship. She went against Frank Zappa in front of Congress to get those "warning" stickers (also known as Tipper Stickers) onto CDs. What was next...

I honestly don't mind the idea of the stickers as much as how far they took it. What's it take a few fbombs and a slightly weird cover to get a sticker? There is some music out there that probably shouldn't be heard by younger kids, they just go way overboard with what they put them on.

CJMST3K

DewieCox wrote:

CJMST3K wrote:

I'll just say I'm glad Gore didn't become president. Otherwise his wife Tipper would have had clout to go further into censorship. She went against Frank Zappa in front of Congress to get those "warning" stickers (also known as Tipper Stickers) onto CDs. What was next...

I honestly don't mind the idea of the stickers as much as how far they took it. What's it take a few fbombs and a slightly weird cover to get a sticker? There is some music out there that probably shouldn't be heard by younger kids, they just go way overboard with what they put them on.

Not to be disagreeable but how can you agree with it when there are not standards?

I'm assuming wiki is accurate on this:

"Many albums with few to no instances of strong profanity, instances of violence, and/or sexual situations in lyrics have a "parental advisory" sticker (examples include KT Tunstall's Acoustic Extravaganza, Gorillaz' self-titled album, Justin Timberlake's FutureSex/LoveSounds, Linkin Park's Minutes to Midnight, Madonna's Erotica, Bow Wow's New Jack City II, Bloc Party's Silent Alarm, and CAKE's Prolonging the Magic, among others), although albums with multiple uses of explicit language may not. It is not a rating; there are no agreed-upon standards for a parental advisory label. It is the record company's decision whether an album needs one or not."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parental_Advisory

CJMST3K

I of course would like to keep from taking my 4 nieces to an "R" film... but what about a PG-13 film? What about a PG-film? Well that depends on what's actually IN the movie.

Same with music, like "Your Sex Is On Fire"? Don't want my four year old niece to begin singing that either.... but is a "Warning" sticker appropriate on that? Depends on the parent - Depends on the kid.

I'd propose that instead of either giving music a "Parental Warning" sticker, it should instead have more of an ingredient list.

Perhaps on the back it should say this:

Album contains:
6 Curse words
1 Song about violence
1 Song about sex


...this allows parents to understand what's really there, instead of a general "Beware!" sticker which is too vague. Parents see the sticker and just say "no" without knowing why. Walmart sees the sticker and just says "no" without knowing why.

slightofjeff

ARazorbackguy1 wrote:

This is not a new policy. If you want your stuff sold at Wal-Mart, you follow their rules. If you don't want it sold at Wal-Mart, go sell it at Target. Simple as that.

Wal-Mart doesn't have to sell what they don't want to sell. It's very much like if you owned your own bar and someone told you you HAD to sell Red Dog Beer. Screw you, I'll sell what I want to sell!

I bought my copy of In Utero at Wal-Mart 15 years ago, because I didn't know any better. On my copy, there is a song called "Waif Me." Kurt still sings "rape me" when you actually play the track, but on the tracklisting it's called "Waif Me."

jecica

I wonder who the person is that makes these decisions for Walmart? What is their position in the company and is there only responsibility?

JaneNY

Wal Mart the hypocrites. While they refuse to stock certain records, you only have to shift your position a little to see R rated movies where the same words are said throughout and that are full of violence. Why the disparity of their standards? I support Green Day's position and hope that Pearl Jam will be the same. (Can't imagine that they wouldn't)

You may notice that Wal Mart doesn't carry NIN because Trent refused to make any changes to his music for it. Here's what he said recently:

'Trent_Reznor wrote:

"My reasoning was this: I can understand if you want the moral posturing of not having any 'indecent' material for sale--but you could literally turn around 180 degrees from where the NIN record would be and purchase the film 'Scarface' completely uncensored, or buy a copy of Grand Theft Auto where you can be rewarded for beating up prostitutes. How does that make sense?"

bovy_j

Fuck Wal-Mart.
Simply put

wayne823

Fuck Walmart just in general. The way they treat their employees is horrible.

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bicyclejoe

lostdogs77 wrote:

Nirvana had to change the cover of In Utero for wal mart. They changed "rape me" to "waif me" if
i'm not mistaken

Sell outs!

bicyclejoe

CJMST3K wrote:

I'll just say I'm glad Gore didn't become president. Otherwise his wife Tipper would have had clout to go further into censorship. She went against Frank Zappa in front of Congress to get those "warning" stickers (also known as Tipper Stickers) onto CDs. What was next...

Yeah, the Bush disaster -- two wars, countless Iraqis dead, economic collapse, the rich getting richer, torture, lies, sending science back to the 1950's -- was a nice alternative to some warning stickers on CD's. :roll:

Idiotic statement.

Black-12

I agree Fuck Walmart. I try not to shop there ever! They are helping to put the small business owners like myself out of work...tell artist what they can say,or god forbid we won't sell your record.

Keep america america, freedom of speech and the right to the american dream.

Zod

Doesn't reducing the ability to get the uncensored version of an album, just drive the kids to find the uncensored version.

When I was in my early teens in the early 90's, they kept the albums with the parental advisory under the counter, and you had to be a certain age to get them. So all the kids wanted them and found ways to get them, got older brothers to buy them, older friends, etc...

Wal-Mart must not really need the extra money, because they'res other places people can get the cd's? Hopefully customers speak with their wallets. That being said I used to have to buy my own music with paper route money/jobs etc... I guess if you're moms buying your music for you, then she might buy the wal-mart version?

CJMST3K

bicyclejoe wrote:

CJMST3K wrote:

I'll just say I'm glad Gore didn't become president. Otherwise his wife Tipper would have had clout to go further into censorship. She went against Frank Zappa in front of Congress to get those "warning" stickers (also known as Tipper Stickers) onto CDs. What was next...

Yeah, the Bush disaster -- two wars, countless Iraqis dead, economic collapse, the rich getting richer, torture, lies, sending science back to the 1950's -- was a nice alternative to some warning stickers on CD's. :roll:

Idiotic statement.

You know, there were three candidates, pearl jam supporting one of them in particular. ...then again, maybe you didn't know. Judging from your comment, I'll assume the latter.

I agree with your assessment of your own comment. It was indeed an idiotic statement you made. Thank you for labeling it as such. :roll:

Snoopy Died For Our Sins

Well Nirvana did it for Wal-mart.remember Waif Me?

And I got their box set there the day it came out for $24...no kidding.....

And, like someone else said, PJ records never have a parental sticker...even with lines like

"I'll never suck Satan's dick...
Again, you'd see it, you know, right round the lips"

ARazorbackguy1

Child Of The 90s wrote:

It's already been said, but it can't be said enough: FUCK WALMART!

says the guy that's strollin through Wal-Mart's doors to buy something.

ARazorbackguy1

WS168245 wrote:

Fuck Walmart just in general. The way they treat their employees is horrible.

Really??? I was unaware that I am treated horribly. Funny how people say F Wal-mart, yet know nothing about them other than what they have "heard" from others. Rather than take the time to investigate or research, they speak rumors and nonsense.

People talk about how Wal-Mart uses Chinese slave labor, got news for ya... so does Target, Bed Bath Beyond, and ANY other retailer you can think of. Oh yeah, including your local grocery store. I suggest if you want to start buying American products, you look in the mirror and start your own business selling such things.

What's interesting is that Wal-Mart is actually leading the industry in cleaning up China and raising the standards for the people that work in the factories. They are working hard to reduce the amount of packaging and waste they use and are moving to highly sustainable stores.

You can say what you will about the company, but understand the facts before spreading what you "heard".

DewieCox

ARazorbackguy1 wrote:

WS168245 wrote:

Fuck Walmart just in general. The way they treat their employees is horrible.

Really??? I was unaware that I am treated horribly. Funny how people say F Wal-mart, yet know nothing about them other than what they have "heard" from others. Rather than take the time to investigate or research, they speak rumors and nonsense.

People talk about how Wal-Mart uses Chinese slave labor, got news for ya... so does Target, Bed Bath Beyond, and ANY other retailer you can think of. Oh yeah, including your local grocery store. I suggest if you want to start buying American products, you look in the mirror and start your own business selling such things.

What's interesting is that Wal-Mart is actually leading the industry in cleaning up China and raising the standards for the people that work in the factories. They are working hard to reduce the amount of packaging and waste they use and are moving to highly sustainable stores.

You can say what you will about the company, but understand the facts before spreading what you "heard".

I think it's more a case of a few apples ruin the whole bunch to some people. 99.9% of the store really aren't much different than any of the more localized chain stores

I dunno of any other place that is taken advantage of as much as they are, if ya wanna put the shoe on the other foot. The lengths people will go to to screw Walmart are absurd.

I never heard of a single case of an employee getting abused in any manner in my time there, and that includes several other stores in the same district.

youngster

ARazorbackguy1 wrote:

WS168245 wrote:

Fuck Walmart just in general. The way they treat their employees is horrible.

Really??? I was unaware that I am treated horribly. Funny how people say F Wal-mart, yet know nothing about them other than what they have "heard" from others. Rather than take the time to investigate or research, they speak rumors and nonsense.

People talk about how Wal-Mart uses Chinese slave labor, got news for ya... so does Target, Bed Bath Beyond, and ANY other retailer you can think of. Oh yeah, including your local grocery store. I suggest if you want to start buying American products, you look in the mirror and start your own business selling such things.

What's interesting is that Wal-Mart is actually leading the industry in cleaning up China and raising the standards for the people that work in the factories. They are working hard to reduce the amount of packaging and waste they use and are moving to highly sustainable stores.

You can say what you will about the company, but understand the facts before spreading what you "heard".

How is that health insurance policy that Walmart provides for you? I figured I'd ask you since all I've "heard" is that it's non-existant unless you are a corporate suit.