N.Y. Terror Suspects Wanted to Commit Jihad:

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  • polaris_x
    polaris_x Posts: 13,559
    jlew24asu wrote:
    American civilians are legitimate targets because our country supports Israel.

    who said this?

    certainly not i ...
  • Cosmo
    Cosmo Posts: 12,225
    prfctlefts wrote:
    pretty fcked up when you think about it. I could be wrong on this but didnt the feds or the CIA knock on the door of the first 2 terrorist that came here to learn how to fly planes on the morning of 911 ?
    ...
    There's a sobering documentary called 'The Man Who Knew', about a New York FBI agent assigned to the Bin Laden case. He had pieced together all the information regarding the attacks, but was stopped by internal feuds and buracracy of FBI management, CIA closure and U.S. diplomatic roadblocks by our ambassador in Yemen. Egos and people more concerned with their official careers than our security screwed up the investigation.
    ref. http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/knew/
    We have great people in our law enforcement. They are and will be the ones who protect us and we don't have to shred our Constitution and our reputation of being the Good Guys in doing so. I have faith in their skills.
    Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
    Hail, Hail!!!
  • VINNY GOOMBA
    VINNY GOOMBA Posts: 1,826
    Cosmo wrote:
    prfctlefts wrote:
    pretty fcked up when you think about it. I could be wrong on this but didnt the feds or the CIA knock on the door of the first 2 terrorist that came here to learn how to fly planes on the morning of 911 ?
    ...
    There's a sobering documentary called 'The Man Who Knew', about a New York FBI agent assigned to the Bin Laden case. He had pieced together all the information regarding the attacks, but was stopped by internal feuds and buracracy of FBI management, CIA closure and U.S. diplomatic roadblocks by our ambassador in Yemen. Egos and people more concerned with their official careers than our security screwed up the investigation.
    ref. http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/knew/
    We have great people in our law enforcement. They are and will be the ones who protect us and we don't have to shred our Constitution and our reputation of being the Good Guys in doing so. I have faith in their skills.

    This is how I feel.
  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    Cosmo wrote:
    prfctlefts wrote:
    pretty fcked up when you think about it. I could be wrong on this but didnt the feds or the CIA knock on the door of the first 2 terrorist that came here to learn how to fly planes on the morning of 911 ?
    ...
    There's a sobering documentary called 'The Man Who Knew', about a New York FBI agent assigned to the Bin Laden case. He had pieced together all the information regarding the attacks, but was stopped by internal feuds and buracracy of FBI management, CIA closure and U.S. diplomatic roadblocks by our ambassador in Yemen. Egos and people more concerned with their official careers than our security screwed up the investigation.
    ref. http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/knew/
    We have great people in our law enforcement. They are and will be the ones who protect us and we don't have to shred our Constitution and our reputation of being the Good Guys in doing so. I have faith in their skills.

    That looks interesting. I'll check it out.
  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    Cosmo wrote:
    prfctlefts wrote:
    pretty fcked up when you think about it. I could be wrong on this but didnt the feds or the CIA knock on the door of the first 2 terrorist that came here to learn how to fly planes on the morning of 911 ?
    ...
    There's a sobering documentary called 'The Man Who Knew', about a New York FBI agent assigned to the Bin Laden case. He had pieced together all the information regarding the attacks, but was stopped by internal feuds and buracracy of FBI management, CIA closure and U.S. diplomatic roadblocks by our ambassador in Yemen. Egos and people more concerned with their official careers than our security screwed up the investigation.
    ref. http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/knew/
    We have great people in our law enforcement. They are and will be the ones who protect us and we don't have to shred our Constitution and our reputation of being the Good Guys in doing so. I have faith in their skills.

    this is what the 9/11 truthers twist around. we were attacked partly because of our lack of communications between agencies. I think it was from this documentary that shows how it was customary (accepted, something they were proud of) for the agencies to not share information. I was completely shocked when I found this out.
  • Cosmo
    Cosmo Posts: 12,225
    You know what else might have helped?
    If that fucking dickhead flight instructor in Florida had reported that there were assholes that wanted to learn how to fly a plane, but were NOT interested in taking off and landing, to the police. The guy in Michigan reported this... what the fuck was that asshole in Florida thinking??? My guess... he wasn't thinking as long as they paid the fee.
    Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
    Hail, Hail!!!
  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    Cosmo wrote:
    You know what else might have helped?
    If that fucking dickhead flight instructor in Florida had reported that there were assholes that wanted to learn how to fly a plane, but were NOT interested in taking off and landing, to the police. The guy in Michigan reported this... what the fuck was that asshole in Florida thinking??? My guess... he wasn't thinking as long as they paid the fee.

    he fucked up, no doubt. but I think many Americans had a similar mind set. we let our guard down. we got complacent. many Americans thought an attack on our homeland simply wasn't possible. it had been generations since we were attacked at pearl harbor. and that wasn't the mainland and the attack was against military installations, so even that was a little different.
  • Cosmo
    Cosmo Posts: 12,225
    jlew24asu wrote:
    Cosmo wrote:
    this is what the 9/11 truthers twist around. we were attacked partly because of our lack of communications between agencies. I think it was from this documentary that shows how it was customary (accepted, something they were proud of) for the agencies to not share information. I was completely shocked when I found this out.
    ...
    That's correct. It wasn't some sort of conspiracy... it was these douchebag management types that cared more about their personal careers, bonuses and promotions than their jobs... catching the fucking bad guys.
    We need to take the lessons we've learned from our mistakes and correct them so they never happen again.
    And we, the people, need to be diligent, too. If a fucking guy wants to buy a Stinger rocket or a .50 caliber rifle at a gun show... report his ass. Let the cops sort out the guy's reasons... a collector or someone looking to shoot at an airliner taking off at the end of a runway.
    Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
    Hail, Hail!!!
  • Cosmo
    Cosmo Posts: 12,225
    jlew24asu wrote:
    Cosmo wrote:
    You know what else might have helped?
    If that fucking dickhead flight instructor in Florida had reported that there were assholes that wanted to learn how to fly a plane, but were NOT interested in taking off and landing, to the police. The guy in Michigan reported this... what the fuck was that asshole in Florida thinking??? My guess... he wasn't thinking as long as they paid the fee.

    he fucked up, no doubt. but I think many Americans had a similar mind set. we let our guard down. we got complacent. many Americans thought an attack on our homeland simply wasn't possible. it had been generations since we were attacked at pearl harbor. and that wasn't the mainland and the attack was against military installations, so even that was a little different.
    ...
    But, the guy in Michigan thought it was suspecious and did the right thing... he told the cops. The cops did the investigations and it turned out.. he was the other 'pilot'. I'd do the same thing... if i knew a guy next door had 100 bags of sulfur nitrate stockpiled in his garage, I'd drop a dime on his ass because I don't know if he's building a McVeigh truck bomb or just wants to over fertilize his lawn. Reporting suspecious activity is the right thing to do. Let the cops figure out the details.
    Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
    Hail, Hail!!!
  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    Cosmo wrote:
    jlew24asu wrote:
    Cosmo wrote:
    You know what else might have helped?
    If that fucking dickhead flight instructor in Florida had reported that there were assholes that wanted to learn how to fly a plane, but were NOT interested in taking off and landing, to the police. The guy in Michigan reported this... what the fuck was that asshole in Florida thinking??? My guess... he wasn't thinking as long as they paid the fee.

    he fucked up, no doubt. but I think many Americans had a similar mind set. we let our guard down. we got complacent. many Americans thought an attack on our homeland simply wasn't possible. it had been generations since we were attacked at pearl harbor. and that wasn't the mainland and the attack was against military installations, so even that was a little different.
    ...
    But, the guy in Michigan thought it was suspecious and did the right thing... he told the cops. The cops did the investigations and it turned out.. he was the other 'pilot'. I'd do the same thing... if i knew a guy next door had 100 bags of sulfur nitrate stockpiled in his garage, I'd drop a dime on his ass because I don't know if he's building a McVeigh truck bomb or just wants to over fertilize his lawn. Reporting suspecious activity is the right thing to do. Let the cops figure out the details.


    well yea absolutely he should have reported it..but like I said...(see the previously post ;) ) we got complacent.
  • Cosmo
    Cosmo Posts: 12,225
    jlew24asu wrote:
    ...well yea absolutely he should have reported it..but like I said...(see the previously post ;) ) we got complacent.
    ...
    I agree. And we paid the price for our complacency.
    We should learn from than and keep on our toes from now on. Not just law enforcement.... us too.
    Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
    Hail, Hail!!!
  • VINNY GOOMBA
    VINNY GOOMBA Posts: 1,826
    jlew24asu wrote:
    Cosmo wrote:
    prfctlefts wrote:
    pretty fcked up when you think about it. I could be wrong on this but didnt the feds or the CIA knock on the door of the first 2 terrorist that came here to learn how to fly planes on the morning of 911 ?
    ...
    There's a sobering documentary called 'The Man Who Knew', about a New York FBI agent assigned to the Bin Laden case. He had pieced together all the information regarding the attacks, but was stopped by internal feuds and buracracy of FBI management, CIA closure and U.S. diplomatic roadblocks by our ambassador in Yemen. Egos and people more concerned with their official careers than our security screwed up the investigation.
    ref. http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/knew/
    We have great people in our law enforcement. They are and will be the ones who protect us and we don't have to shred our Constitution and our reputation of being the Good Guys in doing so. I have faith in their skills.

    this is what the 9/11 truthers twist around. we were attacked partly because of our lack of communications between agencies. I think it was from this documentary that shows how it was customary (accepted, something they were proud of) for the agencies to not share information. I was completely shocked when I found this out.

    This is what SOME 9/11 truthers twist around. I think everyone is a 9/11 truther to some extent-- it's pretty safe to say that the official story has some very huge holes in it, and most of it is because of the embarassing details you mention above.
  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    Cosmo wrote:
    jlew24asu wrote:
    ...well yea absolutely he should have reported it..but like I said...(see the previously post ;) ) we got complacent.
    ...
    I agree. And we paid the price for our complacency.
    We should learn from than and keep on our toes from now on. Not just law enforcement.... us too.

    paid dearly. hell even I double taked a few times that morning. it didnt immediately register in my brain that we were being attacked, even though I was watching it on TV.
  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    VINNY GOOMBA wrote:

    This is what SOME 9/11 truthers twist around. I think everyone is a 9/11 truther to some extent-- it's pretty safe to say that the official story has some very huge holes in it, and most of it is because of the embarassing details you mention above.

    I completely agree that the official story has some bullshit in it. but its only there to protect the assholes from exposing just how much they failed at protecting us. NOT because they were all in on the planning and execution of the attack.

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