N.Y. Terror Suspects Wanted to Commit Jihad:

WaveCameCrashin

DEVELOPING: As a part of a holy war against America,four men sought to commit jihad when they plotted to bomb a synagogue and shoot down military planes in upstate New York ,the NYCP commissioner said Thursday.

Police Commissioner R. Kelley told reporters outside the Bronx Synagogue Thursday that one of the men said"If Jews were killed in this attack...that it would be alright.

Kelley said"the men wanted to commit Jihad" and were angry about Muslims being killed in Afghanistan and Pakistan U.S forces.

Officials told the A.P. the arrest came following a nearly year long undercover operation that began in Newburgh N.Y. 70 miles N. of NYC.

The Defendants: James Cromitie,David Williams,Onta Williams,and Laguerre Payen-- Were charged with conspiracy to use WMD's and conspiracy to acquire and use anti-aircraft missiles. They also had allegedly planned to detonate a car with c4 outside the Riverdale Temple and the Riverdale jewish center in the Bronx.

In april 2009 the 4 suspects began conducting surveillance including photos of military planes at the air national gaurd base.

Earlier this month this month the 4 and an C.O traveled to Stanford Conn. to obtain what they thought would be surface to air guided missiles and 3 IEDs containing c4. The Co provided the suspects with a stinger surface to air guided missile provided by the FBI that was not capable of being fired.

The suspects transported these apparent weapons back to N.Y. and were later arrested

jlew24asu

American civilians are legitimate targets because our country supports Israel.

WaveCameCrashin

so what do we do turn our backs on Israel to appease Muslim extremist ? :?

jlew24asu

prfctlefts wrote:

so what do we do turn our backs on Israel to appease Muslim extremist ? :?

I wasn't being serious. only echoing the opinions of some who support killing civilians. but to answer your question here, yes. that also seems to be the case.

mind boggling.

blackredyellow

While these headlines/arrests seem sensational, they always end up being a handful of idiots with a few digital pictures, some rantings on a website, but no money or actual plans to pull something off.

jlew24asu

blackredyellow wrote:

While these headlines/arrests seem sensational, they always end up being a handful of idiots with a few digital pictures, some rantings on a website, but no money or actual plans to pull something off.

that doesnt mean they should not be taken seriously.

Byrnzie

prfctlefts wrote:

so what do we do turn our backs on Israel to appease Muslim extremist ? :?

No, you join with the rest of the world and stop supporting Israel's state terrorism and ethnic cleansing campaign.

The U.S can stop vetoing every U.N resolution calling for a peaceful two-state settlement along the June 1967 border. Every other country in the world supports it. The U.S has blocked it unilaterally for the past 40 years. This doesn't constitute turning your back on Israel. It constitutes trying to establish a long-term peace in the region.

Cosmo

3 of the 4 were Americans... the other a Haitian... more than likely met in the prison system... converted to Islam.
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So, if you look on the bright side... if the Guantanamo detainees are housed in U.S. prisons, we won't have to worry about them converting to Islam.

WaveCameCrashin

Are you kidding me ? they bought C4 and a stinger Missile. what do you think they were gonna do use the damn thing for a decoration ? :?

Byrnzie

blackredyellow wrote:

While these headlines/arrests seem sensational, they always end up being a handful of idiots with a few digital pictures, some rantings on a website, but no money or actual plans to pull something off.

One of these incidents/mass arrests occurs every six months or so in the U.K. They generate big headlines and fear. Every single one of them up to now, as far as I'm aware, has turned out to be a sham.

blackredyellow

jlew24asu wrote:

blackredyellow wrote:

While these headlines/arrests seem sensational, they always end up being a handful of idiots with a few digital pictures, some rantings on a website, but no money or actual plans to pull something off.

that doesnt mean they should not be taken seriously.

No, I agree... but in the past these types of arrests have been portrayed (in the immediate aftermath) as some huge victory in the war on terror.

I'm not sure if the Obama camp will do this, seeing how they try to downplay the war on terror, but it will probably still be used as some sort of partisan football.

WaveCameCrashin

Byrnzie wrote:

prfctlefts wrote:

so what do we do turn our backs on Israel to appease Muslim extremist ? :?

No, you join with the rest of the world and stop supporting Israel's state terrorism and ethnic cleansing campaign.

The U.S can stop vetoing every U.N resolution calling for a peaceful two-state settlement along the June 1967 border. Every other country in the world supports it. The U.S has blocked it unilaterally for the past 40 years. This doesn't constitute turning your back on Israel. It constitutes trying to establish a long-term peace in the region.

Sounds Logical to me.

Cosmo

Hey... did anyone notice HOW they caught these guys?
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Good old fashioned police work.

blackredyellow

prfctlefts wrote:

Are you kidding me ? they bought C4 and a stinger Missile. what do you think they were gonna do use the damn thing for a decoration ? :?

I blew it off at first, but after a little reading, they apparently did acquire weapons (albeit fake ones from an FBI informant). So maybe they were serious and somewhat capable.

soulsinging

Cosmo wrote:

Hey... did anyone notice HOW they caught these guys?
...
Good old fashioned police work.

You mean they didn't need to listen in on my phone conversations and then torture suspects to stop this? Imagine that...

Glad they busted these guys.

jlew24asu

blackredyellow wrote:

prfctlefts wrote:

Are you kidding me ? they bought C4 and a stinger Missile. what do you think they were gonna do use the damn thing for a decoration ? :?

I blew it off at first, but after a little reading, they apparently did acquire weapons (albeit fake ones from an FBI informant). So maybe they were serious and somewhat capable.

maybe? :roll:

Cosmo

Byrnzie wrote:

prfctlefts wrote:

so what do we do turn our backs on Israel to appease Muslim extremist ? :?

No, you join with the rest of the world and stop supporting Israel's state terrorism and ethnic cleansing campaign.

The U.S can stop vetoing every U.N resolution calling for a peaceful two-state settlement along the June 1967 border. Every other country in the world supports it. The U.S has blocked it unilaterally for the past 40 years. This doesn't constitute turning your back on Israel. It constitutes trying to establish a long-term peace in the region.

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That has long been one of the major grievences against us. We NEVER admit to Israel doing anything wrong over there. It's like we are their pet 800 pound gorilla or something.
We have to make the correct call on those situations in the Middle East... when the Palestinians act like assholes... call them assholes. When the Israelis act like assholes... call them assholes, instead of making up excuses for them every time.

WaveCameCrashin

Now there's an Idea Cosmo. accountability

Cosmo

soulsinging wrote:

Cosmo wrote:

Hey... did anyone notice HOW they caught these guys?
...
Good old fashioned police work.

You mean they didn't need to listen in on my phone conversations and then torture suspects to stop this? Imagine that...

Glad they busted these guys.

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That's how to fight this thing. Good old fashioned police work.
Yeah... if I'm a suspect... wiretap my phone... but, pay respect to our Constitution and get a fucking WARRANT.
And there are some skilled interigators in our law enforcement that get confessions and/or valuable information from suspects, without having to go all KBG on their asses. Locate those persons with those skills and put them on the case.
We had all the information we needed to stop the September 11th attacks... but all of the pieces were scattered over different agencies who were unwilling to share their pieces because they wanted credit for the collar.

VINNY GOOMBA

These guys wanted to shoot at something in Newburgh, and had to PLAN IT?

WaveCameCrashin

pretty fcked up when you think about it. I could be wrong on this but didnt the feds or the CIA knock on the door of the first 2 terrorist that came here to learn how to fly planes on the morning of 911 ?