Bilderberg in Greece. Media Confronted.

DriftingByTheStorm

soulsinging wrote:

DriftingByTheStorm wrote:

soulsinging wrote:

Where are Obama, Bush, Clinton, and all the other presidents and government officials you insist are living solely to serve this vast unified conspiracy of world domination? Why didn't they get invited? Don't they need to know the agenda for the coming fiscal year? Or do they just get the meeting minutes via email?

And how'd you get to go in 2008? I can envision that scene and it's a good one... 50 internet yahoos standing around outside trying to out-scare each other with unfounded speculation about plots, counter-plots, and live animal sacrifice going on behind those closed doors.

Well, i'm not sure exactly what you are trying to get at?
For starters, it's pretty clear to anyone who
a. was there
b. has half a brain
that both hillary and barack were at Bilderberg in Chantilly '08.

Yeah, you're right, among a laundry list of notable people,
the above in no way serve the establishment, and by your logic the mere fact that two drones in a bucket full (hillary and obama) are not present means everything is "on the level", does it?

What fucking planet are we on people?
can't we just own up to the sorry state of our world and pull our heads out of our asses for long enough to maybe at least consider the alternatives?

I was referring to the list you posted, which does not have Obama's name on it. I thought he was their drone? Doesn't he need to know the master plan to help them carry it out?

I love your point about their non-attendance proving nothing. It's so logical, like my point that a bunch of rich bastards getting together to hobnob and figure out how they can all get richer does not prove there is some evil world conspiracy to enslave humanity.

But, you know, we wouldn't want to consider the alternative possibility that people, as they have since the dawn of civilization, stratify themselves socially and try to get a bigger slice of the pie for themselves and that it has nothing to do with ancient secret societies and complex plots for world domination that involve perfect control of every major event in world history.

to say that you miss the point is understatement in the extreme.

the so called secret societies that you dismiss out of hand are one in the same with this rich elite you seek to exemplify as nothing more or less than naked self interest (which in itself makes you more like one of them, sounding quite "objectivist" in the Randian sense).

A shard of the truth you seem to relentlessly obscure with your self-serving skepticism and oversimplifications is that these are not strange and disconnected fantasies about vague and disparate plots as you make it out. In a very real sense much of this springs from the same and (to some extent) traceable history and, surprise surprise, often involves the same characters. Several of the founders of Bilderberg have Skull & Bones roots, and one of them was also involved in setting up a Rockefeller "peace" trust. The conference itself, besides having confused Nazi ties through founder Prince Bernhard and his associates (which only further goes to illustrate the apparent conflict between claims of a "new world order" and the obvious nature of its ties right back to old world "order" - ie. dynastic feudalism), also is thick with the involvement of Wall Street and its again dueling sources of funding (part American industrial wealth - ie Rockefeller - and part old world money - ie the House of Morgan as a front for ancient Merovingian dynastic wealth).

Anywho, i can give book sources for anyone who sees fit to question any of this.
You can simply google "Morgan Merovingian" for enough interesting links to at least see that i'm not TOTALLY crazy. JP Morgan was mildly obsessed, and had a pretty decent collection of Merovingian artifacts, and was apparently of relation (yeah yeah, we know guys, he was "7th cousin" or something, and EVERYONE is 7th cousins of a king. Yeah RIGHT)!

going to bed, and not going to think twice about all them boogie men out der.
zzz zzz.

ps. and besides missing the point, you actualy missREAD my posts.
Obama and Hillary were BOTH at Bilderberg ... LAST YEAR.
What fucking difference does it make?
They are puppets, low level families in a high level game.
The Clintons are a petty dynasty that got their shot because Bill was big time corrupt and they had all the dirt they could possibly need to keep him in line -- hell he proved that to be the case.
Obama and Hillary got their marching orders last year, though their press secretaries deny it.
And why shouldn't they? And why should anyone believe me over the media?
Pfft.

Byrnzie

jlew24asu wrote:

I'm afraid to ask but what is Bilderberg?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bilderberg_Group

'The Bilderberg Group, Bilderberg conference, or Bilderberg Club is an unofficial, annual, invitation-only conference of around 130 guests, most of whom are persons of influence in the fields of politics, business, and banking. The participants talk about a variety of global issues, economic, military, and political.[1]

The group meets annually at luxury hotels or resorts throughout the world — normally in Europe, and once every four years in the United States or Canada. It has an office in Leiden in the Netherlands.[2] The 2008 conference took place in Chantilly, Virginia.[3][4] and the 2009 meeting took place from May 14-16 in Athens, Greece.[5]

The original Bilderberg conference was held at the Hotel de Bilderberg, near Arnhem in The Netherlands, from 29 May to 31 May 1954...

Bilderberg agenda

Because of its secrecy and refusal to issue news releases, the group is frequently accused of secretive and nefarious world plots. This thinking has progressively found acceptance within both elements of the populist movement and fringe politics.[15] Critics include the John Birch Society,[16] the Canadian writer Daniel Estulin, British writer David Icke, American writer Jim Tucker and radio host Alex Jones. Alex Jones, in his movie Endgame,[17] contends that the Bilderberg Group intends to dissolve the sovereignty of the United States and other countries into a supra-national structure called the North American Union, similar to the European Union.[18]

Bilderberg founding member and, for 30 years, a steering committee member, Denis Healey has said:[19]
“ "To say we were striving for a one-world government is exaggerated, but not wholly unfair. Those of us in Bilderberg felt we couldn't go on forever fighting one another for nothing and killing people and rendering millions homeless. So we felt that a single community throughout the world would be a good thing." ”

On the other hand, Bilderberg frequent participant David Rockefeller has said in his book “Memoirs”, on page 405: [20]
“ "Some even believe we are part of a secret cabal working against the best interests of the United States, characterizing my family and me as "internationalists" and of conspiring with others around the world to build a more integrated global political and economic structure - one world, if you will. If that's the charge, I stand guilty, and I am proud of it."" ”

Origins of conspiracy theories

Jonathan Duffy, writing in BBC News Online Magazine states:

"No reporters are invited in and while confidential minutes of meetings are taken, names are not noted... In the void created by such aloofness, an extraordinary conspiracy theory has grown up around the group that alleges the fate of the world is largely decided by Bilderberg."[21]

This secrecy, and lack of reporters in attendance was also noted by Guardian writer Charlie Skelton in his reports on the 2009 conference held in Athens, Greece. Skelton himself was detained by police on three occasions for taking photographs in the vicinity of the conference resort. [22]

According to the investigative journalist Chip Berlet, the origins of Bilderberger conspiracy theories can be traced to activist Phyllis Schlafly. In his 1994 report Right Woos Left, published by Political Research Associates, he writes:

"The views on intractable godless communism expressed by Schwarz were central themes in three other bestselling books which were used to mobilize support for the 1964 Goldwater campaign. The best known was Phyllis Schlafly's A Choice, Not an Echo which suggested a conspiracy theory in which the Republican Party was secretly controlled by elitist intellectuals dominated by members of the Bilderberger group, whose policies would pave the way for global communist conquest."

soulsinging

Byrnzie wrote:

the Bilderberg Group intends to dissolve the sovereignty of the United States and other countries into a supra-national structure called the North American Union, similar to the European Union.[18]

It always ends up coming back to this and I say... who gives a fuck? Why should I give a shit about US sovereignty? Why shouldn't I be outraged that the USA robbed my beloved Ohio of its sovereignty? Why shouldn't I be outraged that Ohio robbed my beloved municipality of its sovereignty? Does one like make any more sense than another?

yahamita

Since I seem to have a hard time trying to express my thoughts, here is something I found and wanted to share..

Totalitarianism is on the rise everywhere because advocates of big government have taken leadership control of the power centers within every society. It has taken many years for them to achieve this dominance over society, but they have succeeded. It does no good to complain or to theorize about what should be done. As long as advocates of big government hold the power, nothing will change. The identities of these elitists are known. They have names. They belong to organizations. They meet together to create strategies and they work jointly to implement them. They dominate the power centers of society. We will not escape their plans by looking only at what they are doing. We must focus on them and remove them from their present positions of power. Any other plan of action is doomed to failure.

That, however, is not enough. If we focus solely on the identities and personalities of those who are promoting the decline of liberty, we will be stumped by the fact that, even if we should succeed in removing them from their positions of influence, there are many more just like them waiting to step into their places. The solution is simple. It is to take back control of the power centers of society, one-by-one, just the way they were captured in the first place. Replace the collectivists with people who have no personal agendas except to defend freedom. This will unleash the vast human potential for prosperity and happiness that can be realized only in the absence of government oppression. However, to reach that goal, it will be necessary for those who cherish freedom to do more than complain and far more than just casting a vote every few years. They must reach for power. That is the reason for the motto of Freedom Force: Impotentes defendere libertatem non possunt, which is Latin for “Those without power cannot defend freedom.”

JOIN FREEDOM FORCE!!! http(colon)//freedom-force(dot)org

Freedom Force is a global brotherhood of the most enlightened and dedicated people in the world. We are building an international network of leaders who, in spite of differences in nationality and culture, are in solidarity with the principles expressed in The Creed of Freedom. We now have members in sixty countries, and the number continues to grow. Nothing like this has happened before in history. It is a powerful force that cannot be stopped. Welcome to the Brotherhood of Freedom

soulsinging

yahamita wrote:

That, however, is not enough. If we focus solely on the identities and personalities of those who are promoting the decline of liberty, we will be stumped by the fact that, even if we should succeed in removing them from their positions of influence, there are many more just like them waiting to step into their places. The solution is simple. It is to take back control of the power centers of society, one-by-one, just the way they were captured in the first place. Replace the collectivists with people who have no personal agendas except to defend freedom. This will unleash the vast human potential for prosperity and happiness that can be realized only in the absence of government oppression.

Wow, who knew it was that simple to stop centuries of social development? Anyway, it's a good call, replace one insular international coop with another.

jlew24asu

after reading more about this, it is rather disturbing how secretive it is. stay on the case driftin

jlew24asu

soulsinging wrote:

Byrnzie wrote:

the Bilderberg Group intends to dissolve the sovereignty of the United States and other countries into a supra-national structure called the North American Union, similar to the European Union.[18]

It always ends up coming back to this and I say... who gives a fuck? Why should I give a shit about US sovereignty? Why shouldn't I be outraged that the USA robbed my beloved Ohio of its sovereignty? Why shouldn't I be outraged that Ohio robbed my beloved municipality of its sovereignty? Does one like make any more sense than another?

the EU ceratinly seems to be working out just fine. but I havent found any proof about the groups intentions of a NA union.

blackredyellow

soulsinging wrote:

yahamita wrote:

That, however, is not enough. If we focus solely on the identities and personalities of those who are promoting the decline of liberty, we will be stumped by the fact that, even if we should succeed in removing them from their positions of influence, there are many more just like them waiting to step into their places. The solution is simple. It is to take back control of the power centers of society, one-by-one, just the way they were captured in the first place. Replace the collectivists with people who have no personal agendas except to defend freedom. This will unleash the vast human potential for prosperity and happiness that can be realized only in the absence of government oppression.

Wow, who knew it was that simple to stop centuries of social development? Anyway, it's a good call, replace one insular international coop with another.

Yeah... and the best part of that paragraph is "The solution is simple..."

Completely eliminating the structure of our society that has been built over generations and decades and centuries, and replacing it with people with completely opposite priorities could never be done... but apparently it's a "simple" solution.

Not to mention the fact that this writer thinks that somehow all of these new "leaders" will be completely altruistic and somehow play nice together is a pipe dream of the biggest kind.

yahamita

and why would the rich need to meet in NY May 5th-including OPRAH??
http://abcnews.go.com/Business/Story?id=7628545&page=1

jlew24asu

yahamita wrote:

and why would the rich need to meet in NY May 5th-including OPRAH??
http://abcnews.go.com/Business/Story?id=7628545&page=1

"The overwhelming reason for the meeting was need -- that was the issue that galvanized everyone to participate," Patricia Stonesifer, senior advisor to the Gates foundation's trustees, Bill and Melinda Gates and Warren Buffett, told ABCNews.com. "This was a group very committed to philanthropy coming together to see how they can join together to do more."


HOW DARE THEY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

force-10

Just because rich people are rich, doesn´t mean they are bad people. Although, i´ve seen it in first hand, people do change when they get rich. Money changes people. Not everyone, though.

So, a small part of the richest people in the world, coinciding in one restricted place... well.... they can´t control us all. They might incluence goverments, put their own here and there on strategic offices... so they can profit..... and become more powerful. That is not new. They won´t allow new rich people? Bill Gates did not have much, and look at him now. He is one of the wealthiest man alive. It´s such a complicated issue (and interesting one) and we just can´t let that mess us up. Capitalism creates the opportunity for rich being empowered, and the less wealthy searching to be employed. It doesn´t restrict you from getting wealthy.

Besides, as my grandfather says all the time, death doesn´t accept tips from no one. You can´t go to heaven in a limo. All of us will die. Including rich people.

If the time comes when we are all enslaved (if we aren´t already), then i think we WILL be forced to unite.

blackredyellow

jlew24asu wrote:

yahamita wrote:

and why would the rich need to meet in NY May 5th-including OPRAH??
http://abcnews.go.com/Business/Story?id=7628545&page=1

"The overwhelming reason for the meeting was need -- that was the issue that galvanized everyone to participate," Patricia Stonesifer, senior advisor to the Gates foundation's trustees, Bill and Melinda Gates and Warren Buffett, told ABCNews.com. "This was a group very committed to philanthropy coming together to see how they can join together to do more."


HOW DARE THEY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

But since they didn't put out press releases about the meeting in advance, then you just know that they were up to something sinister...

DriftingByTheStorm

There is no direct video link, but check out at least the first video Estulin has embedded in his webpage for his book.

Sorry i lost you all with the eye and the pyramid
just listen to him, i know he's a little pompus, but he know's what he is talking about.
I've gotten some real information out of Estulin,
he's legit,
and he will even respond to your email if you contact him.

He just happens to think that the secretive forces (that have lots of connections back to "enlightened" monarchs or banking families -- he mentions "the Frescobaldis and the Savoys" as being two of the most powerful families in the world, in one of his speeches) who have been pulling the global strings of "democracy" and otherwise for the last godknowshowmany years are misguided.

Is it so wrong to question the motives\intentions and world view \ ideals of your leaders?
Particularly if you come to find that your "real" leaders are hardly the democratic forces you once were told they are?

"The world is governed by very different personages from what is imagined by those who are not behind the scenes." -2x Prime Minister of Britain, Benjamin Disraeli

PS - i'd just like to throw out an early acknowledgement that despite being right about a lot of things, Estulin is probably off the mark about the alleged "danish flag conspiracy" ...

yahamita

So, I found a bit more interesting info..What can anyone share with me regarding the Jesuits???
http://www.fossilizedcustoms.com/agenda.html

VINNY GOOMBA

yahamita wrote:

So, I found a bit more interesting info..What can anyone share with me regarding the Jesuits???
http://www.fossilizedcustoms.com/agenda.html

They're probably just another club in the whole mix. Another pyramid that probably gets more corrupt towards the top-- I graduated from a Jesuit university, and it had little impact on who I am or how I think.

yahamita

VINNY GOOMBA wrote:

yahamita wrote:

So, I found a bit more interesting info..What can anyone share with me regarding the Jesuits???
http://www.fossilizedcustoms.com/agenda.html

They're probably just another club in the whole mix. Another pyramid that probably gets more corrupt towards the top-- I graduated from a Jesuit university, and it had little impact on who I am or how I think.

Thanks for you input! I need to do a bit more digging regarding this bunch. They seem to be the "hidden" monsters behind alot of crazy shit! of course, if it's all true! I'll be looking into this over the weekend.

DriftingByTheStorm

yahamita wrote:

VINNY GOOMBA wrote:

yahamita wrote:

So, I found a bit more interesting info..What can anyone share with me regarding the Jesuits???
http://www.fossilizedcustoms.com/agenda.html

They're probably just another club in the whole mix. Another pyramid that probably gets more corrupt towards the top-- I graduated from a Jesuit university, and it had little impact on who I am or how I think.

Thanks for you input! I need to do a bit more digging regarding this bunch. They seem to be the "hidden" monsters behind alot of crazy shit! of course, if it's all true! I'll be looking into this over the weekend.

Here is a good place to start (direct download link for book PDF). Understand one side, you might understand the other. Here is a page that talks about a lot of stuff, including some speculation on the nature of the relationship between the Jesuits (a Vatican order) and the Knights Templar (an organization historicaly opposed to the vatican, and with a serious vendetta against it since the time of the inquisition). Its important to note that it seems the Jesuit order has been corrupted, debased, and infiltrated by their own opposition within the last century at least.

Specifically, on the topic of "if it's all true", skip to the section on "Propaganda Due" or the "P-2" Masonic Lodge in Italy, with direct connections to Mossad among other things.

This (P2) is the same group that guy was talking about in the "Local News Does Story On Real Illuminati" i posted earlier this week here.

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Propaganda Due (P-2)
In March 1981, two Milanese prosecutors were investigating a fake kidnapping incident from 1979, in which an international banker disappeared. The Sicilian-born Michele Sindona was a financial adviser to the Vatican and thought to have links to the Mafia. The prosecutors made an interesting discovery: While on the run from the authorities and hiding in Palermo, Sindona suddenly traveled to Arezzo, a town 600 miles north, where he met with the textile manufacturer Licio Gelli.

If a personality like Sindona leaves the safety of his hiding place to meet Licio Gelli, then this Gelli must be an important person indeed. For this reason, prosecutors ordered the investigation of Gelli. On March 17th, the investigating police officer searched this industrialist's office and found a list containing the names of 962 people.

No ordinary list, it gave the names of the members of the Propaganda Due Masonic lodge—P2, for short—of which Gelli was the Grand Master. What was really surprising was, the list contained the names of some of the most important persons in Italy: three ministers, 43 members of parliament, 43 generals, eight admirals, secret service chiefs, hundreds of top bureaucrats and diplomats, the police commanders of Italy's four largest
cities, industrialists and financiers, the editor and publisher of the newspaper Corriere della Sera and 24 other journalists and TV personalities. Michele Sindona was also listed. Another member of the lodge was banker Roberto Calvi, later to be found hanged from the Blackfriars Bridge in London, in the Masonic style of ritual execution, and only a few hundred yards away from a church that in the Middle Ages had once belonged to the Templars.

As far as could be understood, every member of the P-2 had sworn loyalty to Gelli and to do anything that he might ask of them. These 962 members were grouped into 17 cells, each with its own Master. Gelli ran the lodge with such secrecy and professionalism that even the members themselves knew no one outside their own cells; only the Grand Master of each cell knew all its members.

But who was Licio Gelli, the Grand Master of the lodge? He was a militant who had fought in the Spanish Civil War on the side of the fascists, and had been a fervent supporter of Mussolini. Later, after the war, when his involvement in the torture of Italian partisans was discovered, he was forced to flee the country for Argentina, where he became a close friend of the president Juan Perón. And now here he was, the Grand Master of the P-2 Masonic lodge.

These revelations shook Italy to the core. The investigation further revealed that the lodge was participating in the government affairs and was central to Italy's endless corruption scandals. With the aid of their Masonic
cardinal brothers, the lodge had turned the Vatican into a money-laundering institution and the lodge was also the strongest branch of the legendary Italian Mafia. The P-2 was behind many assassinations, acts of terror like bombings and was closely linked to the contra-guerilla cell Gladio.

For a long time the P-2 had been channeling CIA and Vatican funds to fascist groups in Europe and Latin America. Lodge Member Michele Sindona was later arrested on charges of the murder of an Italian lawyer, and died in prison after drinking a cup of poisoned coffee. He was not only the treasurer of the P-2, but also the investment advisor to the Vatican. Sindona was responsible for selling the Vatican's Italian assets and investing the proceeds in the US. He was working for the Mafia as well as the CIA and had previously channeled funds to his Yugoslavian "friends" and to the Greek military junta that came to power in 1967.

The parliamentary commission investigating this affair discovered that the P-2 was an international organization influential in everything from arms trading to crude oil prices. Ligio Gelli, the dark name of banking scandals and the secret and illegal P-2 Lodge, received a prison sentence of 12 years.

The P-2's Secret Lodge and Strange Rituals
The P-2's political activities and murders make horrific reading, but its organizational structure and ritualistic practices are equally so. This far from ordinary lodge had been building in great secrecy and every member
was required to maintain this secrecy when coming or going. In his book St. Peter's Banker, Italian journalist Luigi Difonzo explains the P2, based on former members' confessions, with its activities of money laundering and links to the Mafia. About the lodge's location, he has the following to say:
In interviews two former members have described the oaths they took. They were taken to a compound, a Villa hidden in the Apennines in the region of Tuscany. A 12-foot wall seals the neatly manicured grounds from view. In the centre of the main courtyard stands a fountain shaped like a tree trunk. The cobra-like sculpture, with its inflated hood, watches over the compound in a protective posture, as if ready to strike. The cobra's head is twice the size of a human skull. It has a single eye, which is blue during daylight and red after nightfall, for inside the cobra's hood and behind its eye there is a closed-circuit camera that follows a visitor, invited or unwelcome, as the fountain rotates in the direction the intruder moves. The fountain-camera is controlled from a room within the villa where eight monitors, each with five stations, cover eight guest rooms,
patio, pool, dining room, sitting room, and party room. Approximately ten cameras, including the one inside the cobra, have infrared lenses. All of the exterior cameras are camouflaged by the landscaping. The Villa's interior is magnificent. Every room has marble floors and is furnished with antiques. Observing the high ceilings, the finely crafted gold-leaf moldings, the portraits of Mussolini, Hitler, and Peron, the visitor experiences a feeling, a sort of living, breathing odor of danger and power that penetrates the soul and cell by cell contaminates the mind with fear. The year is 1964.

In this lodge were conducted hair-raising rituals:
In the meeting room, twelve members of P-2, dressed in satin ceremonial robes and wearing black hoods reminiscent of those worn by members of the Ku Klux Klan, sit in leather chairs at a red marble conference table. They are the elite members of the Wolf Pack, Gelli's disciples—some say his execution squad. None of the black-clad disciples knows the identity of any of his eleven brothers. Grand Master Licio Gelli is the only one who bares his face. Two Masons stand post at the entrance to the meeting room. Their faces are also covered... They are ... personal bodyguards, some say his death squad—former Mussolini Fascists whose job is to protect the Grand Master and kill any of the twelve disciples who betray the cause "Il Momento di Passare all"(The Time for Real Action)... Each bodyguard carries an axe; they also bear automatic weapons.

[lots of good pictures in actual PDF link up top]

In the admission ceremonies for the initiates to the P-2, which is organized like the Mafia, one could witness the lodge's merciless methods and political ideals:
The ceremony begins. There is an uneven series of knocks at the door. "Your Worshipful," a disciple announces, "a pagan wishes to enter." The Grand Master strikes the table with one blow with his axe. Immediately the oversized door swings open and slams against the inner wall. Two guards escort the initiate to the center of the room where he faces the twelve Masons with his back to the grand master's throne. The Pagan, as he is called, is wearing a plain black hood and a blindfold. His identity is known to Grand Master Licio Gelli, but to no one else. He is asked one question by each of the disciples, but the Pagan does not answer, instead, one of the guards speaks for him. Once all the ritual questions about purpose and belief and reason for wanting to become a member of Propaganda Due are answered, the Pagan is turned to face the Grand Master, who asks, "Pagan, are you prepared to die in order to preserve the secrets of Propaganda Due?" The initiate now answers for himself: "I am." "Do you have the necessary quality of contempt for danger?" "I do." "Do you have the necessary quality of courage?" "I am courageous...". "And Pagan, are you prepared to fight and perhaps face shame, even death, so that we who may become your Brothers may destroy this Government and form a Presidency?" "I am." Then the blindfold is removed. It takes a moment
for the initiate's vision to clear, because this is the first time since entering the compound that he has been allowed to see light. The blindfold serves a purpose other than security. It also represents the power of P-2:
"Without membership one is blind; with the help of the order, however, the way is clear."

P-2 and Mossad
Along with the darker sides of the P-2, the lodge had also an Israeli connection. The July 1981 issue of The Middle East International Journal established that the P-2 had close links with Israel, especially with Mossad, and that the Jewish community in Italy played an important role in this connection. In later years, Carlo de Beneditti, the second richest man in Italy, was discovered to have had a close relationship
with the P-2 Lodge and also very good contacts with the Jewish communities in Europe and the US. The foremost names who had contact with the P-2 are Henry Kissinger, Edmond de Rothschild, and David Rockefeller.

The Italian journal Panorama wrote that Ellie de Rothschild arranged the necessary amount of money for the Masonic hanging of banker Roberto Calvi, who either had or was about to "talk" against the P-2.

Henry Kissinger was directly involved at the top of the lodge. In Papa, Mafya, Agca (The Pope, The Mafia and Agca), Ugur Mumcu, a prominent Turkish journalist wrote, "Henry Kissinger is a member of the Monte Carlo lodge, which is the P-2's 'board of directors,' also known as the Monte Carlo Committee. All the members of this lodge are Grand Masters and Masons of the 33rd degree."

The alliance between the P-2 and Israel or to be more specific, with Mossad is illustrated by ex-Mossad agent Victor Ostrovsky in The Other Side of Deception, published in 1994 after his other greatly controversial book, By Way of Deception. Ostrovsky writes that Licio Gelli, P-2's Grand Master, was the ally of Mossad in Italy and that Gelli also had a close relationship with the Gladio contra-guerilla group, allied with Mossad and that Mossad used this Gelli-Gladio alliances for its arms dealings with Italy in the 1980s.

[it goes on more, folks should read this hit. it isn't "crazy talk". its the world as we don't know it]

yahamita

Fucking Henry Kissinger- every corner I turn and find something corrupt, his name seems to be all up in the mix.

yahamita

jlew24asu wrote:

yahamita wrote:

and why would the rich need to meet in NY May 5th-including OPRAH??
http://abcnews.go.com/Business/Story?id=7628545&page=1

"The overwhelming reason for the meeting was need -- that was the issue that galvanized everyone to participate," Patricia Stonesifer, senior advisor to the Gates foundation's trustees, Bill and Melinda Gates and Warren Buffett, told ABCNews.com. "This was a group very committed to philanthropy coming together to see how they can join together to do more."


HOW DARE THEY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And here is What Kevin Trudeau had to say about their meeting. Global population control? Hmmmm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ejbBJfk61mY

ledvedderman

yahamita wrote:

jlew24asu wrote:

yahamita wrote:

and why would the rich need to meet in NY May 5th-including OPRAH??
http://abcnews.go.com/Business/Story?id=7628545&page=1

"The overwhelming reason for the meeting was need -- that was the issue that galvanized everyone to participate," Patricia Stonesifer, senior advisor to the Gates foundation's trustees, Bill and Melinda Gates and Warren Buffett, told ABCNews.com. "This was a group very committed to philanthropy coming together to see how they can join together to do more."


HOW DARE THEY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And here is What Kevin Trudeau had to say about their meeting. Global population control? Hmmmm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ejbBJfk61mY

This guy has a history of just making shit up left and right, so why should we (or you) care what he has to say about this? Because he says something you agree with?