.....but if someone's deliberately violating a policy, why shouldn't they be reprimanded?....
Would you take that thought into your daily life? Most of us will more or less constantly 'violate' policies, break rules, etc. Most of the time, very petty things - for example: need a bit of stationery at home.. oh! I'll just take a couple of pads and pens from work. You will find that this is against company policy. It can go further by officially breaking the law - example: jay walking - how many of us are guilty of that???
What I think is wrong with this guy on ebay, is that his auction is fraudulent in as much as he doesn't have the tickets to sell yet and he doesn't even know if he will get tickets. That is of course if we go with the assumption that it is 10C tix.
I donno, I've never jaywalked or stolen pens and pads from work, but that's just me. There's a difference between that, and the privileges we have to pay for annually. If I'm paying, I'd like for things to be as fair as possible.
West Palm 2000 I & II/West Palm '03/Tampa '03/Kissimmee '04/Vic Theater '07/West Palm '08/Tampa '08/NYC MSG I & II '08/Philly Spectrum III & IV '09/Cleveland '10/Bristow '10/PJ20 I & II 2011/Pensacola '12/Pittsburgh '13/Denver '14
I donno, I've never jaywalked or stolen pens and pads from work, but that's just me. There's a difference between that, and the privileges we have to pay for annually. If I'm paying, I'd like for things to be as fair as possible.
The thing is.... this doesn't really affect you in any way except in your moral judgement. What is fair? If he is a member, he pays his dues like you, he has as much chance of scoring tickets as you do. That's as fair as you will get it for the 'privileges'. What he does with his tix after that (should he get them!) is his business. He may make money out of it, he may have his membership revoked (again assuming these are 10C tix), and he may even sell tix he won't get in the end but that is HIS problem, not yours, not mine. Though maybe the 10C may take issue with it.
I don't condone what this seller is doing, but I'm not going to be outraged by it either.
the book i think is actually one page and here's what it says:
"Log onto pearljam.com. Buy membership. Order tickets."
The end.
2003 Mansfield III 2004 Boston I 2006 Boston I 2008 Bonnaroo, Hartford, Mansfield I 2010 Hartford 2013 Worcester I, Worcester II, Hartford 2016 Bonnaroo, Boston I, Boston II 2018 Boston I, Boston II 2021 Sea.Hear.Now 2022 Camden 2024 Boston I, Boston II
Seems to me that there are actually two fan-club members from Ohio going together to Virginia to the show, and that their intention is to buy two pairs, keep the better seats for themselves, and scalp the other pair to "pay" for expenses. Why else would he/she go to all the trouble of coming all the way from Ohio, stand in the 10c line, prove ID, and then not go to the show?
The plot thickens...
Barrie '98
Saratoga Springs, Toronto '00
Toronto, Montreal '03
Kitchener, London, Hamilton, Montreal, Ottawa, Toronto '05
Toronto I & II, Albany, Hartford, Gorge I '06
Camden I & II, Washington DC '08
Toronto, Chicago I '09
Columbus, Indianapolis, Buffalo '10
Alpine Valley I & II, Toronto I & II, Hamilton '11
London, Buffalo '13
Detroit '14
Quebec City, Ottawa, Toronto I & II '16
The thing is.... this doesn't really affect you in any way except in your moral judgement. What is fair? If he is a member, he pays his dues like you, he has as much chance of scoring tickets as you do. That's as fair as you will get it for the 'privileges'. What he does with his tix after that (should he get them!) is his business. He may make money out of it, he may have his membership revoked (again assuming these are 10C tix), and he may even sell tix he won't get in the end but that is HIS problem, not yours, not mine. Though maybe the 10C may take issue with it.
I don't condone what this seller is doing, but I'm not going to be outraged by it either.
I agree with everything you say until you say "he may make money out of it" Fact of the matter is that he's not supposed to according to the 10C policy. I don't think they revoke his whole membership, but it specifically says ticketing privileges will be revoked. If that's the case, it's NOT FAIR for him to get away with it. It's abusing the system, the system in which we all pay. I don't know what's so hard to understand. If they revoked everyone who does it, I'm sure a lot of people would move up, or at least have less competition for tickets. I wouldn't say I'm outraged, but I don't think it's fair to us, or the 10C.
West Palm 2000 I & II/West Palm '03/Tampa '03/Kissimmee '04/Vic Theater '07/West Palm '08/Tampa '08/NYC MSG I & II '08/Philly Spectrum III & IV '09/Cleveland '10/Bristow '10/PJ20 I & II 2011/Pensacola '12/Pittsburgh '13/Denver '14
If that's the case, it's NOT FAIR for him to get away with it.
So one feels one needs to 'tell on him'? May not be 'fair' but that's between the seller, his conscious and the 10C. As I said before, what is wrong with this auction is the fact that he is selling and guaranteeing goods he does not have and may not be able to secure. Less competition for tickets? Nah.. Considering the number of members, I don't think the few that could have their privileges revoked would make the slightest difference to the purchases of the rest of the members.
There's always so much righteousness on this board every time someone sees a ticket, a poster, vinyl (eg ITW) being sold on ebay. I say 'live and let live'. Karma takes care of things.
So one feels one needs to 'tell on him'? May not be 'fair' but that's between the seller, his conscious and the 10C.
There's always so much righteousness on this board every time someone sees a ticket, a poster, vinyl (eg ITW) being sold on ebay. I say 'live and let live'. Karma takes care of things.
ok red. Again, I don't see anything about the reselling of posters vinyl etc and the consequences of doing so, but I do see it as far as tickets are concerned. Sorry for wanting things to be as fair as possible. You're right, Im wrong.
West Palm 2000 I & II/West Palm '03/Tampa '03/Kissimmee '04/Vic Theater '07/West Palm '08/Tampa '08/NYC MSG I & II '08/Philly Spectrum III & IV '09/Cleveland '10/Bristow '10/PJ20 I & II 2011/Pensacola '12/Pittsburgh '13/Denver '14
The example of ITW was the outrage of people finding this limited edition vinyl on ebay at inflated prices.
I like things to be fair too, but not being the idealist and more than honest person you seem to be (I've taken stationery from work and jaywalked...), I understand that the result of any action taken will have no impact on my future dealings with 10C purchases - a drop in the ocean.
No one is right, no one is wrong. This is just a discussion and an exchange of opinions.
West Palm 2000 I & II/West Palm '03/Tampa '03/Kissimmee '04/Vic Theater '07/West Palm '08/Tampa '08/NYC MSG I & II '08/Philly Spectrum III & IV '09/Cleveland '10/Bristow '10/PJ20 I & II 2011/Pensacola '12/Pittsburgh '13/Denver '14
I sent a message to the seller inquiring about the details.
This is the response I just got:
"Thanks for your interest. We did not disclose specifics in the listing - maybe we should have been more specific. We are huge PJ fans - been to numerous shows and have in the range of 100 CD's. We are fan club members and these are our personal seats for this show. If the fan club seats are handled the way they were for the last show we attended, we will not know exact location until we pick the tickets up at Will Call that day. The last show we saw, our seats were in the first 10 rows with a side view because we have been fan club members for so long. The last thing we would want is someone to worry they have been "burned" and to ease the buyer's mind, we can mail copies of our order if it helps for peace of mind. We would also encourage you to check our feedback. The amount of the auction is to cover our expenses along the way - not just the tickets, but our travel expenses from Ohio to Virginia Beach in June. If you have any questions, please do not hesitate to email us again. Thanks again.
- september_octavian"
10C really should go after these f'ers.
WOW WTF...
they should get on this.... 10c should contact ebay.
why do some of you people get sooo worked up over this???...
it has nothing to do with your tickets or where you sit...
its really none of your business....
its been going on for years....
the poster people have been making tons of money flipping posters.....
i mean ....why do you really give a fuck????
i don't care.
i mean, if i wasn't so lazy i would probably be doing the same thing.
it's all about the benjamins.
Esther's here and she's sick?
hi Esther, now we are all going to be sick, thanks
See this needle...a see my hand...
Drop drop dropping it down...oh so gently...
Well here it comes...I touch the plane...
Turn me up...won't turn you away...
Okay, so I didn't read through every single one of your messages, so forgive me if I'm being redundant here. I can't believe that so many people have posted something along the lines of "who cares if tickets are resold, once the tickets are purchased the owner can do whatever they want with them". Do you people have no sense of fairness, no value for the principle of the matter!? 10 Club does have a rule against reselling of tickets and posters. It's true, people break rules every day, but jaywalking downtown is more forgivable than ripping off a fan for personal profit. If you can't afford to follow PJ on tour, don't do it! Don't go into debt for it, don't sell items at 400% of the price just because you can. If that's alright, then I suppose it would be fine to sell crack, if it gets you the money you need to see your favorite band. I love Pearl Jam as much as the rest of you, and if I get tickets, they will be purchased with money I earned from my job. And as well - to all of those who said that this douchebag should be reported, but how?...well, replying to this message isn't going to accomplish anything, but emailing 10 Club will help. That is what I'll do after I send this.
I hope you people vote.
I got he same response. Looks like they lowered their price...
Thanks for the interest. Here is what I can tell you: The reason we need to hand - deliver these is the same reason we can guarantee great seats: We have long been fan club members. We have unebelieveable respect for the fan club, and own in the range of 100 Pearl Jam CD's. We did not want to risk losing our fan club privileges by saying this straight out in the listing, but we are willing to let our seats go for $600, mostly due to the drive we have there from Ohio and some of the expenses along the way. Upon receiving payment, we can provide you with our contact information - cell phone numbers we will have that day, our home number, and in a few days we can mail you a copy of our order if you like for peace of mind. We just listed these last night and will only list them this one time, in order to give someone an opportunity to see the show of a lifetime. Just email us if you have any further questions. Thanks.
It still says $800 on the e-bay site. I love how this guy feels like he is entitled to the tickets, seeing as they're on sale before he even has purchased them. I wish getting Pearl Jam tickets was that easy. And to claim that the tickets are in the first 10 rows is a ballsy move.
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What I think is wrong with this guy on ebay, is that his auction is fraudulent in as much as he doesn't have the tickets to sell yet and he doesn't even know if he will get tickets. That is of course if we go with the assumption that it is 10C tix.
LOL
I wave to all my Friends... Yeah!
The thing is.... this doesn't really affect you in any way except in your moral judgement. What is fair? If he is a member, he pays his dues like you, he has as much chance of scoring tickets as you do. That's as fair as you will get it for the 'privileges'. What he does with his tix after that (should he get them!) is his business. He may make money out of it, he may have his membership revoked (again assuming these are 10C tix), and he may even sell tix he won't get in the end but that is HIS problem, not yours, not mine. Though maybe the 10C may take issue with it.
I don't condone what this seller is doing, but I'm not going to be outraged by it either.
the book i think is actually one page and here's what it says:
"Log onto pearljam.com. Buy membership. Order tickets."
The end.
2004 Boston I
2006 Boston I
2008 Bonnaroo, Hartford, Mansfield I
2010 Hartford
2013 Worcester I, Worcester II, Hartford
2016 Bonnaroo, Boston I, Boston II
2018 Boston I, Boston II
2021 Sea.Hear.Now
2022 Camden
2024 Boston I, Boston II
yep
ha please.
800 fucking dollars..wow
12.9.06= Rockin In The Free World
The plot thickens...
Saratoga Springs, Toronto '00
Toronto, Montreal '03
Kitchener, London, Hamilton, Montreal, Ottawa, Toronto '05
Toronto I & II, Albany, Hartford, Gorge I '06
Camden I & II, Washington DC '08
Toronto, Chicago I '09
Columbus, Indianapolis, Buffalo '10
Alpine Valley I & II, Toronto I & II, Hamilton '11
London, Buffalo '13
Detroit '14
Quebec City, Ottawa, Toronto I & II '16
I agree with everything you say until you say "he may make money out of it" Fact of the matter is that he's not supposed to according to the 10C policy. I don't think they revoke his whole membership, but it specifically says ticketing privileges will be revoked. If that's the case, it's NOT FAIR for him to get away with it. It's abusing the system, the system in which we all pay. I don't know what's so hard to understand. If they revoked everyone who does it, I'm sure a lot of people would move up, or at least have less competition for tickets. I wouldn't say I'm outraged, but I don't think it's fair to us, or the 10C.
There's always so much righteousness on this board every time someone sees a ticket, a poster, vinyl (eg ITW) being sold on ebay. I say 'live and let live'. Karma takes care of things.
LOL @ the person paying 800.00
Should have joined the 10club!
See you all at the MSG and NJ shows!!!! woohoo
ok red. Again, I don't see anything about the reselling of posters vinyl etc and the consequences of doing so, but I do see it as far as tickets are concerned. Sorry for wanting things to be as fair as possible. You're right, Im wrong.
I used to think it would, but it does not. Karma is BS.
10 Club has sought out resellers before and revoked their membership. Maybe they will catch this person too.
http://forums.pearljam.com/showpost.php?p=5272730&postcount=1
The example of ITW was the outrage of people finding this limited edition vinyl on ebay at inflated prices.
I like things to be fair too, but not being the idealist and more than honest person you seem to be (I've taken stationery from work and jaywalked...), I understand that the result of any action taken will have no impact on my future dealings with 10C purchases - a drop in the ocean.
No one is right, no one is wrong. This is just a discussion and an exchange of opinions.
Tut.. believe in Karma... it may not come back to you right away, but you have a lifetime before you.
Maybe they will catch up with this person.. but again, it's between them and him.
no
WOW WTF...
they should get on this.... 10c should contact ebay.
Till there aint nothing left worth taking away from me.....
i don't care.
i mean, if i wasn't so lazy i would probably be doing the same thing.
it's all about the benjamins.
Esther's here and she's sick?
hi Esther, now we are all going to be sick, thanks
ask Earl!!
Drop drop dropping it down...oh so gently...
Well here it comes...I touch the plane...
Turn me up...won't turn you away...
I hope you people vote.
Thanks for the interest. Here is what I can tell you: The reason we need to hand - deliver these is the same reason we can guarantee great seats: We have long been fan club members. We have unebelieveable respect for the fan club, and own in the range of 100 Pearl Jam CD's. We did not want to risk losing our fan club privileges by saying this straight out in the listing, but we are willing to let our seats go for $600, mostly due to the drive we have there from Ohio and some of the expenses along the way. Upon receiving payment, we can provide you with our contact information - cell phone numbers we will have that day, our home number, and in a few days we can mail you a copy of our order if you like for peace of mind. We just listed these last night and will only list them this one time, in order to give someone an opportunity to see the show of a lifetime. Just email us if you have any further questions. Thanks.
And as I said before, the rest of the issue is between him/her, his/her conscious and the 10C.