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One reason why I'm sure about this is the Taliban won't take over Pakistan because then they'll be fighting two wars just like the US and we haven't faired so well in either wars. In the US case we're supposed to be a superpower and we don't have control of either country, troops and civilians are still being killed in both country.
ok fine, maybe not the Taliban per say, but what about political elements who sympathize to their cause? to say you are not concerned about a country as volatile as Pakistan is alarming
Glad you appear to be happy inside about the civilians having some food and some medicine but maybe then they can be strong enough to rise up against the Taliban.
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but getting the food and medicine to areas controlled by the Taliban is impossible...so what you say can not happen.
The US spends on it's military budget about 660 Billion which is about ten times the military spending of China, the second most powerful country in the world. These “wars” are a hoax designed to enrich the US armaments industry and to infuse the “security forces” with police powers over American citizenry.
How is it possible that “the world’s only superpower” is threatened by the likes of Iraq and Afghanistan? How can the US be a superpower if it is threatened by countries that have no military capability other than a guerrilla capability to resist invaders? The Us with it's military powers WILL intercede before the Taliban get anywhere near any Nuclear takeover in Pakistan, it won't happen.
My point here is that the US has this mindset of it's military might will solve or Middle Eastern problems through wars. This I believe has to end or needs to change Obama appears to following the same Bush mentality of warmongering. Why not try and get food and medicine to these people under US protection. At Least TRY and distribute food in this region, if this fails because of Taliban then whatever methods you feel is necessary to deal with the Taliban has an ever better foot to stand on.
I'm just simply sick of these wars and Obama appears to be NOT changing shit!
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The US spends on it's military budget about 660 Billion which is about ten times the military spending of China, the second most powerful country in the world. These “wars” are a hoax designed to enrich the US armaments industry and to infuse the “security forces” with police powers over American citizenry.
dont give me the whole war for the elite dance. thats such bullshit. we have the strongest military in the country because we have the most to protect
How is it possible that “the world’s only superpower” is threatened by the likes of Iraq and Afghanistan? How can the US be a superpower if it is threatened by countries that have no military capability other than a guerrilla capability to resist invaders? The Us with it's military powers WILL intercede before the Taliban get anywhere near any Nuclear takeover in Pakistan, it won't happen.
because of the country and terrain. its a fact. armies have been defeated in the mountains of Afgan/Pakistan for thousands of years. I dont care how big we are. wars are won with boots on the ground. we have no way of covering that area. its can not be done.
and why do you keep saying that about Pakistan. there have been countless changes of power in Pakistan. our military powers are NOT in the country. we have no way of stopping them if extremists take over. for one, we simply dont have enough resources.
My point here is that the US has this mindset of it's military might will solve or Middle Eastern problems through wars. This I believe has to end or needs to change Obama appears to following the same Bush mentality of warmongering. Why not try and get food and medicine to these people under US protection. At Least TRY and distribute food in this region, if this fails because of Taliban then whatever methods you feel is necessary to deal with the Taliban has an ever better foot to stand on.
I'm just simply sick of these wars and Obama appears to be NOT changing shit!
Peace
then you obviously havent been paying attention. Obama is definitely changing the mindset of not only how the world sees us but with strategies on the ground. give it time, its only been just over 100 days?
you seem to think we can just pack up and leave, give everyone a cookie, and everything will be just fine. it doesnt work that way.
what do you suggest jlew. Because what has been happening for the last 8 years hasnt worked. That is a war. Military responses.
So what beyond military responses are approved by you?
I really wish I had the answers but I dont.
I really like Commy's idea actually. the Afgan government, probably with US government backing, should become the worlds largest legal opium supplier. they should start buying all the opium in the country and take away the Taliban's way of funding themselves and put Afghan farmers to work. hell, I dont care if they buy the opium and then destroy it.
there also needs to be moderate voices of the Muslim world to step up and call for peace. they need to shut down all Madrasas around the middle east and start teaching their children that there is more to life then the Koran. women in the region need equal rights. schools need to be opened. freedom of speech needs to be accepted.
I believe things will get better when we leave Iraq which is slated to happen in the next few years. It will also be interesting to see what happens in Pakistan. keep in mind, they are fighting a civil war AS WE SPEAK in the Sawt Valley of Pakistan. there is going to be a winner and a loser. Ideally, I'd like to see the Pakistan governemt take control of the area and allow the Taliban to live in their remote villages that are cut off from the outside world. (similar to what Cosmo suggested)
the next five years are going to be a huge turning point in the world and a hopeful goal of world peace.
it wont be world peace if we bomb afghanistan. I dont understand how you could think it does. Its like saying, lets cut more trees to help stop global warming. Or make more SUV's to stop global warming.
Wars are horrible experiences. And whats facinating is how little thought is given to those who are actually fighting it. They will die. They will be maimed. They will lose limbs and be in wheelchairs the rest of their life.
Its fine to theorize and discuss issues like "Did Radiohead "pay what you want" idea work out?", and to discuss the effects of celebrity culture on society.
But when a war happens, where real lives are on the line, I have a hard time listening to any argument that is not "bring them home, now".
I have never understood the mentality of "we just lost 3,000 folks in NY" and the remedy for that is more death, violence, destruction and a prolonged war that kills more people.
To me that is the definition of absurdity.
No amount of Taliban deaths will ever bring back those lost on 9/11. We can kill every member of the Taliban and it would never fill the hole in the victims lives.
I will NEVER serve if asked to, and never serve if forced to.
I value human life more than to get blown to bits in some foreign land, over some lie.
I have never understood the mentality of "we just lost 3,000 folks in NY" and the remedy for that is more death, violence, destruction and a prolonged war that kills more people.
To me that is the definition of absurdity.
No amount of Taliban deaths will ever bring back those lost on 9/11. We can kill every member of the Taliban and it would never fill the hole in the victims lives.
I will NEVER serve if asked to, and never serve if forced to.
I value human life more than to get blown to bits in some foreign land, over some lie.
So let's bake them a pie and talk about why they are angry with us. :roll:
These extremists do not think like you. When they capture an "infadel" they cut their fucking head off. They blow themselves up to attack. So we should just talk to them?
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Obama removed McKiernan, who had over 60 men under his control brought up on crimes and prisoner abuse allegations...he basically embraced torture and was the definition of a war criminal.
Just hope the new guy targets the Talibans' funding instead of their villages.
I have never understood the mentality of "we just lost 3,000 folks in NY" and the remedy for that is more death, violence, destruction and a prolonged war that kills more people.
To me that is the definition of absurdity.
No amount of Taliban deaths will ever bring back those lost on 9/11. We can kill every member of the Taliban and it would never fill the hole in the victims lives.
I will NEVER serve if asked to, and never serve if forced to.
I value human life more than to get blown to bits in some foreign land, over some lie.
So let's bake them a pie and talk about why they are angry with us. :roll:
These extremists do not think like you. When they capture an "infadel" they cut their fucking head off. They blow themselves up to attack. So we should just talk to them?
Or we could send 120,000 plus soldiers off to the desert and get their heads blown off, chasing some nameless faceless enemy that encompasses the entire population of the mid east. or we could start an unwinnable and immoral war, and refuse to admit we made a mistake that cost us thousands of american lives. We could send bombs their way, bombs that maim and destroy and murder any animal, plant or human life that enhabits that area.
Oh I forgot, we already tried that, for the past 8 years but also for the past 2,000 years of humanity.
The US spends on it's military budget about 660 Billion which is about ten times the military spending of China, the second most powerful country in the world. These “wars” are a hoax designed to enrich the US armaments industry and to infuse the “security forces” with police powers over American citizenry.
How is it possible that “the world’s only superpower” is threatened by the likes of Iraq and Afghanistan? How can the US be a superpower if it is threatened by countries that have no military capability other than a guerrilla capability to resist invaders? The Us with it's military powers WILL intercede before the Taliban get anywhere near any Nuclear takeover in Pakistan, it won't happen.
My point here is that the US has this mindset of it's military might will solve or Middle Eastern problems through wars. This I believe has to end or needs to change Obama appears to following the same Bush mentality of warmongering. Why not try and get food and medicine to these people under US protection. At Least TRY and distribute food in this region, if this fails because of Taliban then whatever methods you feel is necessary to deal with the Taliban has an ever better foot to stand on.
I'm just simply sick of these wars and Obama appears to be NOT changing shit!
Obama removed McKiernan, who had over 60 men under his control brought up on crimes and prisoner abuse allegations...he basically embraced torture and was the definition of a war criminal.
Just hope the new guy targets the Talibans' funding instead of their villages.
Ok commy I did a google search on your assertion of Gen. McKiernan / war crimes / 60 men and found nothing.
and there was nothing in the link you posted that mentioned anything about Gen. McKiernan and war crimes
So lets say you.
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The Taliban mindset may become nuclear capable without firing a shot.
I agree with your post and this statement is very true and worrisome. not to mention the Mardrasas that dominate the education system. those are nothing but fundamentalist factories. thats why I cant understand why qp isnt concerned
A great interview with Imran Khan whom I saw long ago play cricket wades in on the Taliban as whether they can get their hands on Pakistan's nuclear weapons. I still believe the Taliban don't have manpower to cause concern to Pakistan's nuclear weapons
AMY GOODMAN: And what do you say to those, especially in the United States, in the media and the lawmakers who say we don’t want nukes, nuclear weapons, to get in the hands of the Taliban, because, of course, Pakistan and India have nuclear weapons now?
IMRAN KHAN: There is absolutely no chance of these nuclear weapons to fall into Taliban hands. I mean, these are, as I said, thirty groups. Every group is different. The maximum, the group in Swat, were 5,000 Taliban. Pakistan has a standing army of 700,000 troops. How are they going to take over Pakistan nukes? This is not the problem people in Pakistan think. Our main problem is that this—if this war goes on or if the sort of terrorist activities keep going on, Pakistan does a military operation, suicide attacks in our cities. But given the economic situation, we will eventually have an economic collapse.
AMY GOODMAN:I began by asking him about the domestic reaction to Pakistan’s military operations along its western border with Afghanistan.
IMRAN KHAN: The worst aspect of the way Pakistan is conducting these military operations is that there is no road map. There is no idea what we will do eventually to win this war. What we are seeing is just one operation after another. And all that is helping is fan extremism in our country.
So what we are seeing is, in the last five years, when there were no militant Taliban in Pakistan five years back, today there are about thirty Taliban groups. The whole of the tribal area which is bordering Afghanistan has now—is Talibanized, whereas previously there was—we had the tribal structure there. So, that has been decimated. Every military operation has sprung up a new Taliban group. And these military operations which we are conducting right now, not only are they ineffective, but actually they’re having the opposite effect. They are radicalizing the society as a whole, especially the Pashtun who are affected by this. The Pashtun youth is being radicalized. And there is no end to it. This is the awful thing. We don’t know what’s going to happen to end this war.
AMY GOODMAN: You have said Pakistan is on a suicidal course. Explain.
IMRAN KHAN: Well, suicidal because we are heading towards anarchy, as opposed to Talibanization. You know, this term is being used, that Pakistan is going to be Talibanized. This is absolute nonsense, because this Taliban is not some ideology. This is a direct reaction to the US invasion of Afghanistan and the Pashtun nationalism kicking in. And on our side of the border, when the Pakistan army, under US pressure, went into the tribal areas, that’s when the Taliban—Pakistani Taliban emerged four-and-a-half years back. And so, with each operation, they have expanded.
Now, Pakistan, what it’s facing, this anarchy-type situation where the police is being targeted by the militants. So each operation creates more fanatics, and the fanatics then target the police, the security forces, in the cities, and the cities are sort of descending into, especially in the frontier, descending into chaos. So this is unsustainable for Pakistan, which already faces an economic collapse.
Peace
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The US spends on it's military budget about 660 Billion which is about ten times the military spending of China, the second most powerful country in the world. These “wars” are a hoax designed to enrich the US armaments industry and to infuse the “security forces” with police powers over American citizenry.
How is it possible that “the world’s only superpower” is threatened by the likes of Iraq and Afghanistan? How can the US be a superpower if it is threatened by countries that have no military capability other than a guerrilla capability to resist invaders? The Us with it's military powers WILL intercede before the Taliban get anywhere near any Nuclear takeover in Pakistan, it won't happen.
My point here is that the US has this mindset of it's military might will solve or Middle Eastern problems through wars. This I believe has to end or needs to change Obama appears to following the same Bush mentality of warmongering. Why not try and get food and medicine to these people under US protection. At Least TRY and distribute food in this region, if this fails because of Taliban then whatever methods you feel is necessary to deal with the Taliban has an ever better foot to stand on.
I'm just simply sick of these wars and Obama appears to be NOT changing shit!
Peace
*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
dont give me the whole war for the elite dance. thats such bullshit. we have the strongest military in the country because we have the most to protect
because of the country and terrain. its a fact. armies have been defeated in the mountains of Afgan/Pakistan for thousands of years. I dont care how big we are. wars are won with boots on the ground. we have no way of covering that area. its can not be done.
and why do you keep saying that about Pakistan. there have been countless changes of power in Pakistan. our military powers are NOT in the country. we have no way of stopping them if extremists take over. for one, we simply dont have enough resources.
then you obviously havent been paying attention. Obama is definitely changing the mindset of not only how the world sees us but with strategies on the ground. give it time, its only been just over 100 days?
you seem to think we can just pack up and leave, give everyone a cookie, and everything will be just fine. it doesnt work that way.
its the dirty little strategy that no one likes to admit...the Taliban (and extremists) use women and children as human shields.
its just way to easy to just blame all the death on the US.
So what beyond military responses are approved by you?
I really wish I had the answers but I dont.
I really like Commy's idea actually. the Afgan government, probably with US government backing, should become the worlds largest legal opium supplier. they should start buying all the opium in the country and take away the Taliban's way of funding themselves and put Afghan farmers to work. hell, I dont care if they buy the opium and then destroy it.
there also needs to be moderate voices of the Muslim world to step up and call for peace. they need to shut down all Madrasas around the middle east and start teaching their children that there is more to life then the Koran. women in the region need equal rights. schools need to be opened. freedom of speech needs to be accepted.
I believe things will get better when we leave Iraq which is slated to happen in the next few years. It will also be interesting to see what happens in Pakistan. keep in mind, they are fighting a civil war AS WE SPEAK in the Sawt Valley of Pakistan. there is going to be a winner and a loser. Ideally, I'd like to see the Pakistan governemt take control of the area and allow the Taliban to live in their remote villages that are cut off from the outside world. (similar to what Cosmo suggested)
the next five years are going to be a huge turning point in the world and a hopeful goal of world peace.
Wars are horrible experiences. And whats facinating is how little thought is given to those who are actually fighting it. They will die. They will be maimed. They will lose limbs and be in wheelchairs the rest of their life.
Its fine to theorize and discuss issues like "Did Radiohead "pay what you want" idea work out?", and to discuss the effects of celebrity culture on society.
But when a war happens, where real lives are on the line, I have a hard time listening to any argument that is not "bring them home, now".
To me that is the definition of absurdity.
No amount of Taliban deaths will ever bring back those lost on 9/11. We can kill every member of the Taliban and it would never fill the hole in the victims lives.
I will NEVER serve if asked to, and never serve if forced to.
I value human life more than to get blown to bits in some foreign land, over some lie.
So let's bake them a pie and talk about why they are angry with us. :roll:
These extremists do not think like you. When they capture an "infadel" they cut their fucking head off. They blow themselves up to attack. So we should just talk to them?
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Obama fired the top general in Afghanistan, a war criminal, and replaced him with a guy that is less hardcore apparently.
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory?id=7557221
Obama removed McKiernan, who had over 60 men under his control brought up on crimes and prisoner abuse allegations...he basically embraced torture and was the definition of a war criminal.
Just hope the new guy targets the Talibans' funding instead of their villages.
Or we could send 120,000 plus soldiers off to the desert and get their heads blown off, chasing some nameless faceless enemy that encompasses the entire population of the mid east. or we could start an unwinnable and immoral war, and refuse to admit we made a mistake that cost us thousands of american lives. We could send bombs their way, bombs that maim and destroy and murder any animal, plant or human life that enhabits that area.
Oh I forgot, we already tried that, for the past 8 years but also for the past 2,000 years of humanity.
War is so 2 mellenia ago!
this is nice huh gp?
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20090519/pl_ ... l2ZXBha2k-
U.S. to give Pakistan $100 million humanitarian aid
Ok commy I did a google search on your assertion of Gen. McKiernan / war crimes / 60 men and found nothing.
and there was nothing in the link you posted that mentioned anything about Gen. McKiernan and war crimes
So lets say you.
A great interview with Imran Khan whom I saw long ago play cricket wades in on the Taliban as whether they can get their hands on Pakistan's nuclear weapons. I still believe the Taliban don't have manpower to cause concern to Pakistan's nuclear weapons
Here's the interview where you can watch, listen or read...Pakistani Opposition Politician Imran Khan on US Drone Attacks, the “Massive Human Catastrophe” in the Swat Valley and the Escalation of War in Afghanistan
Peace
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