Did Columbus 'discover' America?
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polaris_x wrote:jlew24asu wrote:Byrnzie wrote:I've been in America on Columbus day.
So you wouldn't call the Columbus day parades a celebration?
What do they do then? Just walk along looking miserable and uninterested? Why don't you try being honest for once instead of just being obnoxious?
what a joke of a thread. seriously, no one in America gives a flying fuck about Columbus day. its just another day to have a random day off (for some). and besides, its only symbolically "celebrated" not because Columbus discovered America but because Columbus initiated widespread contact between Europeans and indigenous Americans. glad we cleared that up.
i would definitely agree with you ... no one cares - similar to how no one cares what the gov't decides to do with the people who enlist in the armed forces or what they do with their tax dollars in overseas occupations ... north americans (put north in there so i don't get the typical defensive posts from americans) are in general pretty apathethic about everything ...
not really. Americans are very passionate about Christmas time and July 4th for example. we are also very passionate about our tax dollars. sadly, I would agree about our military. people seem to care less about them all the time, including the very government that employs thempolaris_x wrote:having said that - having columbus day as a holiday speaks volumes as to what americans think about invastions and exploitation - they just dont' know it
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Byrnzie wrote:jlew24asu wrote:what a joke of a thread. seriously, no one in America gives a flying fuck about Columbus day.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Columbus_Day
yea ya got me! :roll:
give it up dude.0 -
Byrnzie wrote:jlew24asu wrote:what a joke of a thread. seriously, no one in America gives a flying fuck about Columbus day.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Columbus_Day
can I join the cut, paste and bold party?
Alaska
The State of Alaska, which has a large indigenous population, does not recognize Columbus Day. Alaska Day on October 18th is recognized as a state holiday.
Arkansas
Some public schools throughout the state are closed in observance of Columbus Day.
California
The city of Berkeley celebrates Indigenous People's Day instead of Columbus Day every year with a pow wow and Native American market
Colorado
The Columbus Day parade in Denver has been protested by Native American groups and their supporters for nearly two decades.
Hawaii
Discoverer's Day is celebrated on the second Monday of October in Hawaii; it honors Captain James Cook as the first European to document Hawaiian society
Hawaii does not officially honor Columbus day and instead celebrates Discoverer's Day on the same day, i.e., on the second Monday of each October. While many in Hawaii still celebrate the life of Columbus on Columbus Day, the alternative holiday also honors James Cook, the British navigator that became the first person to record the coordinates of the Hawaiian Islands and share with the world the existence of the ancient Hawaiian people and society. Some people interpret the holiday as a celebration of all discoveries relative to the ancient and modern societies of Hawaii. Neither Columbus Day nor Discoverer's Day is regarded as a holiday by State government;[9] state, city and county government offices and schools are open for business on Columbus Day, while Federal government offices are closed.
The Hawaii, the Discoverer's Day celebration has become a day of protest for some advocacy groups. A popular protest site is the Cathedral of Our Lady of Peace and the Chancery building of the Roman Catholic Diocese of Honolulu. Such advocacy groups have been commemorating the Discoverer's Day holiday as their own alternative, Indigenous Peoples Day. The week is called Indigenous Peoples Week.[10][11]
New York
In New York State, Columbus Day is a holiday, as government offices and public schools are closed. However, the stock markets remain open.[12] However, not all State Universities choose to observe the holiday, such as SUNY Stony Brook.
Nevada
Columbus Day is not a legal holiday in Nevada, but it is a day of observance. Schools and state, city and county government offices are open for business on Columbus Day.[13]
South Dakota
In the state of South Dakota, the day is officially a state holiday known as "Native American Day", not Columbus Day.
U.S. Virgin Islands
Due to opposition against Columbus Day, in the territory of the U.S. Virgin Islands, the day is celebrated as "Puerto Rico-Virgin Islands Friendship Day."0 -
jlew24asu wrote:Byrnzie wrote:jlew24asu wrote:what a joke of a thread. seriously, no one in America gives a flying fuck about Columbus day.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Columbus_Day
can I join the cut, paste and bold party?
Alaska
The State of Alaska, which has a large indigenous population, does not recognize Columbus Day. Alaska Day on October 18th is recognized as a state holiday.
Arkansas
Some public schools throughout the state are closed in observance of Columbus Day.
California
The city of Berkeley celebrates Indigenous People's Day instead of Columbus Day every year with a pow wow and Native American market
Colorado
The Columbus Day parade in Denver has been protested by Native American groups and their supporters for nearly two decades.
Hawaii
Discoverer's Day is celebrated on the second Monday of October in Hawaii; it honors Captain James Cook as the first European to document Hawaiian society
Hawaii does not officially honor Columbus day and instead celebrates Discoverer's Day on the same day, i.e., on the second Monday of each October. While many in Hawaii still celebrate the life of Columbus on Columbus Day, the alternative holiday also honors James Cook, the British navigator that became the first person to record the coordinates of the Hawaiian Islands and share with the world the existence of the ancient Hawaiian people and society. Some people interpret the holiday as a celebration of all discoveries relative to the ancient and modern societies of Hawaii. Neither Columbus Day nor Discoverer's Day is regarded as a holiday by State government;[9] state, city and county government offices and schools are open for business on Columbus Day, while Federal government offices are closed.
The Hawaii, the Discoverer's Day celebration has become a day of protest for some advocacy groups. A popular protest site is the Cathedral of Our Lady of Peace and the Chancery building of the Roman Catholic Diocese of Honolulu. Such advocacy groups have been commemorating the Discoverer's Day holiday as their own alternative, Indigenous Peoples Day. The week is called Indigenous Peoples Week.[10][11]
New York
In New York State, Columbus Day is a holiday, as government offices and public schools are closed. However, the stock markets remain open.[12] However, not all State Universities choose to observe the holiday, such as SUNY Stony Brook.
Nevada
Columbus Day is not a legal holiday in Nevada, but it is a day of observance. Schools and state, city and county government offices are open for business on Columbus Day.[13]
South Dakota
In the state of South Dakota, the day is officially a state holiday known as "Native American Day", not Columbus Day.
U.S. Virgin Islands
Due to opposition against Columbus Day, in the territory of the U.S. Virgin Islands, the day is celebrated as "Puerto Rico-Virgin Islands Friendship Day."
Wow! How insightful! So some people and cities don't celebrate Columbus day? So what?
Now can we get back to the thread topic after your lame attempt to derail it?
How many Americans still think that Columbus discovered America?0 -
Byrnzie wrote:
Wow! How insightful! So some people and cities don't celebrate Columbus day? So what?
just proves that its more or less and worthless holiday here in America.Byrnzie wrote:Now can we get back to the thread topic after your lame attempt to derail it?
How many Americans still think that Columbus discovered America?
like I said, Americans know that he didnt discover America...Columbus is known for initiating widespread contact between Europeans and Indigenous/Native Americans.0 -
http://news.softpedia.com/news/How-Did- ... 9891.shtml
'Who discovered America? When Columbus returned from the Antilles in 1493, he was not the first European to have stepped on the New World.
It seems that 500 years before, a group of blond Scandinavians had done it. It happened during the Viking era, when these sailors and warriors were roaming northern Africa, eastern Europe and the Middle East.
In 986, Bjarni Herjolfsson, experimented navigator and adventurer, left Norway to reach Iceland close to the winter. He found that his father had left in a fleet led by Erik the Red to colonize a huge land situated to the west and attractively named "Greenland".
So he started to Greenland, but he lost his way due to the wind and fog for many days. When they finally spotted land, it was very different from the description of Greenland: it was a land of hills and mighty forests. But after a few days the landscape turned more mountainous and glacial and departing to the east they found
Greenland and Erik's colony.
These people did not land in North America, but they were the first to make it out.
One of Erik's son got very interested in the story related by Bjarni, especially as in the frozen Greenland wood was hard to achieve, while Bjarni was counting about a forested country.
Around 1000, Leif Eriksson took Bjarni's boat and together with 35 men left in the search of the land spotted by Bjarni.
Leif first met the Baffin Island (in today northeastern Canada), covered by glaciers and without pastures. Going to the south, they found a forested plain, with beaches of white sand they named Marklandia (The Forested Land), in today's Labrador. Few days later, the Vikings found an even better territory.
They built houses there and wintered in that territory. One man discovered vines and the land was named Vinlandia (The Wine Land). In spring they returned to Greenland with the cellars filled with products of the area.
Till today, all these lands remain a mystery. In the '60s and '70s, in the surroundings of the L'Anse Aux Meadows village (Newfoundland), archaeologists found the ruins of some houses with distinguishable northern features, like an iron founding oven and other objects dated from the year 1000.
In the '90s a Danish researcher found in southern Newfoundland a well-polished stone piece coming from a Viking craft.
Leif counted to the Norwegian king his journey.
In 1070, the German historian Adam of Bremen traveled to Denmark to collect information about northern countries, and the Danish king Sweyn counted him about Vinlandia and its excellent wine.
Through the chronicle of Bremen, many erudite people found about the western lands.
The Iceland chronicles from the centuries XII-XIV mention other journeys made from Greenland to Markland and Vinlandia.
It is possible that Columbus knew about all this, and some say he visited Iceland before his journeys to the Americas.
The puzzle that remains is why didn't the Vikings remain definitively in America. Maybe they tried to, but were unsuccessful, due to the difficult conditions and "skraelings" (Native Americans), whose forces were superior.
The houses at L'Anse Aux Meadows harbored no more than 500 people, and this number was enough for an uninhabited zone, not for one where they had to face Indians. How could they face an Iroquois unit, when French and British troops, armed with fire guns, had problems with them 700-800 years later?
On the other side, the Greenland colony faced huge problems: the climate got colder (the Medieval "Little Ice Age"), the colons could no longer make agriculture and sustain themselves and they completely vanished: the last sign of them is a wedding from 1408.'0 -
Byrnzie wrote:jlew24asu wrote:Americans know that he didnt discover America.
I'd like to see the stats on that.
LOL stats? take a fucking poll then. Columbus's discovery of America is seen as symbolic since there were already indigenous people living here. he is given credit for "discovering" America because of the chain of events that followed him coming here.
the fact the some Scandinavians came here 500 years earlier means nothing. they came and left. why should Americans giving a flying fuck about that?
was this a fun attempt to make Americans look stupid for celebrating a person who didnt discover America? nice try.
this will be my last reply in the worthless thread. the stage is yours, have fun.0 -
jlew24asu wrote:Byrnzie wrote:jlew24asu wrote:Americans know that he didnt discover America.
I'd like to see the stats on that.
LOL stats? take a fucking poll then. Columbus's discovery of America is seen as symbolic since there were already indigenous people living here. he is given credit for "discovering" America because of the chain of events that followed him coming here.
the fact the some Scandinavians came here 500 years earlier means nothing. they came and left. why should Americans giving a flying fuck about that?
was this a fun attempt to make Americans look stupid for celebrating a person who didnt discover America? nice try.
this will be my last reply in the worthless thread. the stage is yours, have fun.
I wonder why you were given a life-time ban before? :?:0 -
we can only work within the sample space of this topic..........i say he discovered it for kingdom of his time. and since the arguement is dealing with the term "discover".....we have a problem. i say all things have already been in place and then a person comes along and is the first to claim it.Byrnzie wrote:jlew24asu wrote:Americans know that he didnt discover America.
I'd like to see the stats on that.
no person discovered gold in california.........it was already there.
as for colomubus day and a government employee.........i like it.live and let live...unless it violates the pearligious doctrine.0 -
polaris_x wrote:jlew24asu wrote:Byrnzie wrote:I've been in America on Columbus day.
So you wouldn't call the Columbus day parades a celebration?
What do they do then? Just walk along looking miserable and uninterested? Why don't you try being honest for once instead of just being obnoxious?
what a joke of a thread. seriously, no one in America gives a flying fuck about Columbus day. its just another day to have a random day off (for some). and besides, its only symbolically "celebrated" not because Columbus discovered America but because Columbus initiated widespread contact between Europeans and indigenous Americans. glad we cleared that up.
i would definitely agree with you ... no one cares - similar to how no one cares what the gov't decides to do with the people who enlist in the armed forces or what they do with their tax dollars in overseas occupations ... north americans (put north in there so i don't get the typical defensive posts from americans) are in general pretty apathethic about everything ...
having said that - having columbus day as a holiday speaks volumes as to what americans think about invastions and exploitation - they just dont' know it
wow..."volumes", oh the drama...
For the record, State Employees in NC don't get the day off. We get Veterans Day in November.
Seriously, there are all kinds of holiday's on the calender...in fact May 16th is Armed Forces Day...I guess it's a day to celebrate wars and death, right...? May 23rd is World Turtle Day...I think it's a damn shame there is no parade...
I hope you don't celebrate Remembrance Day in Canada...that's a bad thing, right...
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inmytree wrote:wow..."volumes", oh the drama...
For the record, State Employees in NC don't get the day off. We get Veterans Day in November.
Seriously, there are all kinds of holiday's on the calender...in fact May 16th is Armed Forces Day...I guess it's a day to celebrate wars and death, right...? May 23rd is World Turtle Day...I think it's a damn shame there is no parade...
I hope you don't celebrate Remembrance Day in Canada...that's a bad thing, right...
if americans really cared - iraq would never have been allowed to happen ... if you think remembrance day is the same as columbus day - i would have to humbly disagree ...0 -
Byrnzie wrote:
I wonder why you were given a life-time ban before? :?:
awww can I get you a tissue? dont cry that I exposed you for trying to make Americans look stupid. and made you look really foolish in doing so.inmytree wrote:
wow..."volumes", oh the drama...
For the record, State Employees in NC don't get the day off. We get Veterans Day in November.
Seriously, there are all kinds of holiday's on the calender...in fact May 16th is Armed Forces Day...I guess it's a day to celebrate wars and death, right...? May 23rd is World Turtle Day...I think it's a damn shame there is no parade...
I hope you don't celebrate Remembrance Day in Canada...that's a bad thing, right...
LOL I know, it really speaks volumes!
and its too bad you live where you do. World Turtle Day has a parade and concert every year in the middle of downtown Chicago. you're really missin out man
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polaris_x wrote:inmytree wrote:wow..."volumes", oh the drama...
For the record, State Employees in NC don't get the day off. We get Veterans Day in November.
Seriously, there are all kinds of holiday's on the calender...in fact May 16th is Armed Forces Day...I guess it's a day to celebrate wars and death, right...? May 23rd is World Turtle Day...I think it's a damn shame there is no parade...
I hope you don't celebrate Remembrance Day in Canada...that's a bad thing, right...
if americans really cared - iraq would never have been allowed to happen ... if you think remembrance day is the same as columbus day - i would have to humbly disagree ...
you're right...we don't care... :?
as for remembrance day, you're celebrating/remembering those who died is war...well, if you really cared, those wars would have never happened...0 -
polaris_x wrote:
if americans really cared - iraq would never have been allowed to happen ...
that is such crap. many Americans supported the Iraq war back in 2003...obviously based on false information but by then it was too late. and as it was known, the anti movement was huge...arguably partly the reason why democrats took over Congress and eventually the Presidency.0 -
Byrnzie wrote:jlew24asu wrote:dont cry that I exposed you for trying to make Americans look stupid. and made you look really foolish in doing so.
Far be it for me to burst the little bubble of delusion in which you love to stroke yourself.
did you or did you not make this thread to try and make Americans look stupid by saying we celebrate a person who did not discover America?0 -
inmytree wrote:polaris_x wrote:inmytree wrote:wow..."volumes", oh the drama...
For the record, State Employees in NC don't get the day off. We get Veterans Day in November.
Seriously, there are all kinds of holiday's on the calender...in fact May 16th is Armed Forces Day...I guess it's a day to celebrate wars and death, right...? May 23rd is World Turtle Day...I think it's a damn shame there is no parade...
I hope you don't celebrate Remembrance Day in Canada...that's a bad thing, right...
if americans really cared - iraq would never have been allowed to happen ... if you think remembrance day is the same as columbus day - i would have to humbly disagree ...
you're right...we don't care... :?
as for remembrance day, you're celebrating/remembering those who died is war...well, if you really cared, those wars would have never happened...
we are by no means perfect in canada - but i do know that we have not engaged in your cia funded proxy wars or occupied any country nor have we paid to have democratically elected leaders deposed ... again - if you think remembering those that fought against hitler's germany is the same as celebrating the genocide of native americans - i will again humbly disagree ...0 -
jlew24asu wrote:did you or did you not make this thread to try and make Americans look stupid by saying we celebrate a person who did not discover America?
Not guilty.
Edit: I was watching a documentary on the history of the English language - 'The Adventure of English' - and it touched on the Vikings journeys across the North Atlantic. It got me to thinking about the whole Columbus issue and if and how it effects it as far as Americans are concerned. That's all.Post edited by Byrnzie on0 -
jlew24asu wrote:polaris_x wrote:
if americans really cared - iraq would never have been allowed to happen ...
that is such crap. many Americans supported the Iraq war back in 2003...obviously based on false information but by then it was too late. and as it was known, the anti movement was huge...arguably partly the reason why democrats took over Congress and eventually the Presidency.
well ... choose stupidity or apathy - it's up to you ... there is a reason why the REST of the world did not join in that war ... the anti-war people showed that the information was false well before the invasion and occupation ... the anti-war movement failed - if it was remotely successful, bush would never have been "re-elected" ... the democrats are largely in office because this economic downturn happened under W's watch ...0
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