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  • benjs
    benjs Toronto, ON Posts: 9,400
    mookeywrench wrote:
    I'm surprised no one has brought up what seems like the most obvious point.....

    NO ONE BUYS MUSIC ANYMORE!!!

    whats an easy way to recoupe a lost album purchase? raise the price of your live show.


    And as for comparing Green Day's pricing to Pearl Jam's, Green Day's demographic is 16-25 year olds. Pearl Jam's demographic is 18-55. Who do you think has the higher paying jobs? (not to mention that Green Day's current album sales are way higher than Pearl Jam's)

    Compare Pearl Jam to a simular demographic and their shows are averagely priced.
    I'd say that's a pretty weak argument - it's been known for years that bands make most of their money from live shows.. albums really are just incentive for people to see a band in concert, and it could be argued that, from all the money saved by downloading albums, they could theoretically afford to see a band in concert that they otherwise couldn't.
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  • Larry Zisstans
    Larry Zisstans Posts: 167
    Cob wrote:

    Because it can all end in fell swoop, just like it did with Grateful Dead when Jerry died, you see I was at the Grateful Dead shows in Nobleslville, Ind. at Deer Creek in 1995 when a bunch of idiots jumped the fence to get into the show, they canceled the show the next night, as I left the campgrounds the next day after the police came around and told everyone the show that night was canceled, I said, I'm not going to a Grateful Dead show for a while, little did I know at the time, that I would NEVER see them again. So remember, enjoy every sandwich, because there are bigger travestys in life than $74.00 tickets and the way the 10 Club runs thing.

    enjoy every sandwich. yes, thanks for the reminder. (for a great song about the deer creek mess, check out the Keller Williams tune called Gate Crashers Suck.)
    The world is like a ride in an amusement park, and when you choose to go on it you think it's real because that's how powerful our minds are. The ride goes up and down, around and around, it has thrills and chills, and it's very brightly colored, and it's very loud, and it's fun for a while. Many people have been on the ride a long time, and they begin to wonder, "Hey, is this real, or is this just a ride?" And other people have remembered, and they come back to us and say, "Hey, don't worry; don't be afraid, ever. Because this is just a ride." And we...kill those people. "Shut him up! I've got a lot invested in this ride, shut him up! Look at my furrows of worry, look at my big bank account, and my family. This has to be real." It's just a ride. But we always kill the good guys who try and tell us that, you ever notice that? And let the demons run amok? But it doesn't matter, because it's just a ride. And we can change it any time we want. It's only a choice. No effort, no work, no job, no savings of money. Just a simple choice, right now, between fear and love. The eyes of fear want you to put bigger locks on your doors, buy guns, close yourself off. The eyes of love instead see all of us as one. Here's what we can do to change the world, right now, to a better ride. Take all that money we spend on weapons and defenses each year and instead spend it feeding and clothing and educating the poor of the world, which it would pay for many times over, not one human being excluded, and we could explore space, together, both inner and outer, forever, in peace.
    --Bill Hicks
  • DewieCox
    DewieCox Posts: 11,432
    benjs wrote:
    mookeywrench wrote:
    I'm surprised no one has brought up what seems like the most obvious point.....

    NO ONE BUYS MUSIC ANYMORE!!!

    whats an easy way to recoupe a lost album purchase? raise the price of your live show.


    And as for comparing Green Day's pricing to Pearl Jam's, Green Day's demographic is 16-25 year olds. Pearl Jam's demographic is 18-55. Who do you think has the higher paying jobs? (not to mention that Green Day's current album sales are way higher than Pearl Jam's)

    Compare Pearl Jam to a simular demographic and their shows are averagely priced.
    I'd say that's a pretty weak argument - it's been known for years that bands make most of their money from live shows.. albums really are just incentive for people to see a band in concert, and it could be argued that, from all the money saved by downloading albums, they could theoretically afford to see a band in concert that they otherwise couldn't.


    PJ still sells a x00,000 copies of their albums. They still make plenty of jack off that.

    Since the days of Led Zeppelin bands have counted on touring for the bulk of their income.

    There seems to be a common misconception that bands don't make any money from album sales. PJ still makes plenty of cash off of new album sales and back catalog sales that they never have to tour again.
  • mookeywrench
    mookeywrench Posts: 6,081
    yeah what do i know, i only have first hand music industry experience.. :roll:
  • JD Sal
    JD Sal Posts: 790
    This is from a 2005 interview with Jeff...

    "They also bucked a trend in 1994 when they famously took on Ticketmaster, accusing the company of using unfair business practices to set concert admission prices. Ament gave three hours of testimony before a U.S. justice committee in that fight.

    There was a highly publicized boycott on both sides which made it difficult for Pearl Jam to tour. Eventually the group went crawling back to the ticketing powerhouse.

    Given prices have continued to rise to an average price of $70 per ticket, Ament doesn't regret the action.

    "Our role was just to educate people about where their money is going," he said.

    Trying to avoid the corporate world, Pearl Jam is using Vancouver concert promoter Paul Mercs to organize the tour instead of powerhouses House of Blues or ClearChannel.

    And tickets are being kept at a reasonable $59.50, plus service charges.

    Ament thinks that's still too high for young fans.

    "Typically we try to be at the lower end of what our peers are charging . . . It seems, like anything, it gets harder and harder to do," he said."
    "If no one sees you, you're not here at all"
  • Wilds
    Wilds Posts: 4,329
    JD Sal wrote:
    This is from a 2005 interview with Jeff...

    "They also bucked a trend in 1994 when they famously took on Ticketmaster, accusing the company of using unfair business practices to set concert admission prices. Ament gave three hours of testimony before a U.S. justice committee in that fight.

    There was a highly publicized boycott on both sides which made it difficult for Pearl Jam to tour. Eventually the group went crawling back to the ticketing powerhouse.

    Given prices have continued to rise to an average price of $70 per ticket, Ament doesn't regret the action.

    "Our role was just to educate people about where their money is going," he said.

    Trying to avoid the corporate world, Pearl Jam is using Vancouver concert promoter Paul Mercs to organize the tour instead of powerhouses House of Blues or ClearChannel.

    And tickets are being kept at a reasonable $59.50, plus service charges.

    Ament thinks that's still too high for young fans.

    "Typically we try to be at the lower end of what our peers are charging . . . It seems, like anything, it gets harder and harder to do," he said."


    Awesome post. Really shows the hearts and minds of the band are still in the mode of trying to do the right thing.

    So here we are 5 years later and tickets are now a bit higher. Sadly that is a reality that is out of the bands control as they do their best to keep the prices reasonable.

    I think they do a great job.
  • shadowcast
    shadowcast Posts: 2,345
    Dude, you need a nice hot cup of shut the F up. These 10 tickets and the seats u get would be gone and cost a lot more if they did it the traditional way. God, bitch, bitch, bitch.
  • i am a target
    i am a target Posts: 808
    isn't the point of running a business (which pearl jam is) ...to make money?
  • chnact
    chnact Posts: 21
    i am a target wrote:
    isn't the point of running a business (which pearl jam is) ...to make money?

    yes sir it is!
  • SomethingCreative
    SomethingCreative Kazoo, MI Posts: 3,413
    ticket prices fluctuate just like everything else...
    "Well, I think this band is incapable of sucking."
    -my dad after hearing Not for You for the first time on SNL .
  • i am a target
    i am a target Posts: 808
    chnact wrote:
    i am a target wrote:
    isn't the point of running a business (which pearl jam is) ...to make money?

    yes sir it is!

    that's what i always figured. when you mix art and entertainment you're going to incur costs. the sense of entitlement pearl jam fans is sickening at times. if you don't like the way a business is run ... don't frequent it. but if you're going to bitch and complain and keep going then i don't want to hear it.
  • josevolution
    josevolution Posts: 31,844
    i for one don't find these tickets to be expensive at all ....
    jesus greets me looks just like me ....
  • DewieCox
    DewieCox Posts: 11,432
    mookeywrench wrote:
    yeah what do i know, i only have first hand music industry experience.. :roll:

    I wasn't necessarily disagreeing with you, just making other points. I think the idea that EVERY band only makes like a quarter an album sale is absurd, though. Maybe I've seen some wrong information along the line, but once a band gets established don't they usually renegotiate their deals? You don't think PJ make plenty of dough off of album sales to live a comfortable lifestyle?
  • kiljoythemerciful
    kiljoythemerciful Posts: 549
    If I start to get "itchy" about the ticket prices, I try to imagine how much my seats would cost if ten club didn't exist. More than 75 bucks.

    There are other ways to get tickets, explore them. But I presume I'll see you at the next pj show in your ten club seats. The greatest way to whine about the ten club...revoke your membership. Easy as pie, they'll get the message and we won't have to hear ya.
  • Gary Carter
    Gary Carter Posts: 14,077
    Get_Right wrote:
    spend two hours with me and it will cost you $700 and you wont have a good time :lol:

    PJ does make an effort to keep prices down
    try to buy a bruce, neil, who, Van Morrison, eagles, u2, allman brothers, steely dan or dead ticket for less than $100
    you cant
    i saw bruce the past monday and it cost 75 bucks and he put on a 3hr 10 min show.
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  • dislocated
    dislocated Posts: 599
    I just paid 50/ea for Korn tickets, but at least they're playing in a nightclub.

    74 for PJ, I would have paid more...& i lost 1/3 of my pay in Jan.
  • megatron
    megatron Posts: 3,420
    josevolution wrote:
    i for one don't find these tickets to be expensive at all ....

    +1

    and im broke 8-)
  • voodoopug
    voodoopug Posts: 1,011
    I spent $2100 for four Stones tickets in 2006 to be on the "B" Stage and was happy to do so! And yes, that was face value........I'd now like to read more about the outrage of charging $74ea for Pearl Jam tickets.....
    There's Pearl Jam, The Rolling Stones, Chuck Berry, Robert Johnson......and then everybody else.
  • lukin14
    lukin14 Posts: 287
    demay wrote:

    Combine that with this new militant 10c policy that if you don't renew within 90 days or so, and they revoke your seniority, something they haven't done in the past.


    This is entirely fair. Keeps people from letting their memberships lapse in the off years and renewing only when there is rumours of an album/tour and keeping seniority even though there are more holes in their membership timeline than swiss cheese.
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    and how to do it right
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  • Get_Right
    Get_Right Posts: 14,169
    metsfan wrote:
    Get_Right wrote:
    spend two hours with me and it will cost you $700 and you wont have a good time :lol:

    PJ does make an effort to keep prices down
    try to buy a bruce, neil, who, Van Morrison, eagles, u2, allman brothers, steely dan or dead ticket for less than $100
    you cant
    i saw bruce the past monday and it cost 75 bucks and he put on a 3hr 10 min show.
    cheap seats?

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