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No Lottery for Rows 1&2 in TO & Chi?

RainierWolfcastleRainierWolfcastle Posts: 48
edited May 2009 in The Porch
That's okay by me:

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  • BeerBaronBeerBaron Toronto-ish Posts: 4,097
    I'm ok with that, especially given that it is only 2 shows and no other shows in either region is likely this year.
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  • helplessdancerhelplessdancer Posts: 5,281
    BeerBaron wrote:
    I'm ok with that, especially given that it is only 2 shows and no other shows in either region is likely this year.

    +1
  • boxorbagboxorbag Posts: 246
    BeerBaron wrote:
    I'm ok with that, especially given that it is only 2 shows and no other shows in either region is likely this year.

    Didn't think of it that way. I like the having the chance of having a great ticket even though you have a shitty number. Hopefully they will go back when they have a full tour.
  • a5pja5pj Hershey PA Posts: 3,919
    boxorbag wrote:
    BeerBaron wrote:
    I'm ok with that, especially given that it is only 2 shows and no other shows in either region is likely this year.

    Didn't think of it that way. I like the having the chance of having a great ticket even though you have a shitty number. Hopefully they will go back when they have a full tour.

    i agree, having the chance to be up close was exciting the night of each show. and actually hitting it and being 2nd row center is even better :)
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  • hopethatuchokehopethatuchoke Posts: 2,927
    Awesome! So the same old, same old in the front rows. Great example of something they did right on the tour last year and now they are abandoning it.
  • josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 30,474
    That's the one thing i can say i'm happy about ,just keep the shows coming as i can't hit these two just announced :evil: but hopefully will in OCT ..
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  • benjsbenjs Toronto, ON Posts: 9,222
    hopethatuchoke wrote:
    Awesome! So the same old, same old in the front rows. Great example of something they did right on the tour last year and now they are abandoning it.
    You seem to be full of negative things to say - if you've got so many damn complaints about the management, why are you here?
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  • MayDay10MayDay10 Posts: 11,770
    I would like to see the 'lottery system' continued.
  • PegasusPegasus Posts: 3,754
    it was disappointing to see them dropping it (not attending those 2 but hoping for West Coast ones), but then if they open tickets to people that join AFTER the announcement, it means opportunistic scalpers could get their filthy on front row seats.. (they can already if they bother I know, but it requires more planning).
  • 100 Pacer100 Pacer Toronto, ON Posts: 9,063
    Pegasus wrote:
    it was disappointing to see them dropping it (not attending those 2 but hoping for West Coast ones), but then if they open tickets to people that join AFTER the announcement, it means opportunistic scalpers could get their filthy on front row seats.. (they can already if they bother I know, but it requires more planning).

    huh?

    :?
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  • redrockredrock Posts: 18,341
    Pegasus wrote:
    ...then if they open tickets to people that join AFTER the announcement, it means opportunistic scalpers could get their filthy on front row seats.. (they can already if they bother I know, but it requires more planning).

    I read a lot about ‘scalpers’ signing up and getting the ‘best seats’, etc. But thinking about it, why would this kind of 10C ticket sale be interesting to scalpers?
    You have to be a member to purchase (£20/£25) and you can only really get a pair of tickets for a show. You need to be there with ID to pick up.
    So… what is the incentive for scalpers? Surely they buy tix ‘en masse’ to make a nice profit. If you take account all their expenses (including travelling to shows) in order to sell max a pair, I’m not sure there is a scalper issue.
    Sure, you may have the odd member reselling their 10C tix, but it is the odd one and they still have to pick them up.
    I don’t think scalpers are an issue with 10C tix.
  • PegasusPegasus Posts: 3,754
    redrock wrote:
    Pegasus wrote:
    ...then if they open tickets to people that join AFTER the announcement, it means opportunistic scalpers could get their filthy on front row seats.. (they can already if they bother I know, but it requires more planning).

    I read a lot about ‘scalpers’ signing up and getting the ‘best seats’, etc. But thinking about it, why would this kind of 10C ticket sale be interesting to scalpers?
    You have to be a member to purchase (£20/£25) and you can only really get a pair of tickets for a show. You need to be there with ID to pick up.
    So… what is the incentive for scalpers? Surely they buy tix ‘en masse’ to make a nice profit. If you take account all their expenses (including travelling to shows) in order to sell max a pair, I’m not sure there is a scalper issue.
    Sure, you may have the odd member reselling their 10C tix, but it is the odd one and they still have to pick them up.
    I don’t think scalpers are an issue with 10C tix.
    we're talking about the US there (seats. I agree that's not really an issue with GA).
    there's people that make a living (or greatly supplement their income) out of scalping.. there's always a bunch of them outside a show, so it's not like they have to travel to pick up the tickets.
    yes it's only 1 pair, alongside all the other tickets from the general sale they scalp, but if it's one that hit the lottery, it's potentially a very valuable pair (as unfortunately some people will pay for them).
    plus they already use intermediaries to scalp the general sales one, so they'd not necessarily limit themselves to 1 pair.. after all, they often eat some tickets out of the lot they have so if the margin is high enough, they can easily pay someone for each extra pair (there was a couple of Belgian touts that followed half the Euro tour in 06!! i know 'cos I argued with them in Italy and saw one of them the following year outside Werchter festival).
  • Vedd HeddVedd Hedd Posts: 4,614
    For a scalper to sell first row 10c lottery tickets, he would have to become a member, wait for a tour, buy the tickets, be at the show to pick up the tickets, hope for a front row seat. If he got a front row seat, he would have to have someone with him helping him out, because they gave you a wrist band in addition to your ticket. The scalper and his helper would have to remove their wrist bands without ruining them, find someone willing to go through this process without getting caught, give them their wrist bands and tickets.


    And he could only purchase 2 tickets per membership. Even if he had 10 memberships, he is still not guaranteed a lottery seat.

    I like the lottery system for rows 1 and 2, although I am fine if they dont do it for these few shows.
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  • PoncierPoncier Posts: 17,313
    hopethatuchoke wrote:
    Awesome! So the same old, same old in the front rows. Great example of something they did right on the tour last year and now they are abandoning it.
    I think once they realized that the lottery got Bostonlou in the front row, they knew it was time to abandon it. :mrgreen:
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  • BeerBaronBeerBaron Toronto-ish Posts: 4,097
    100 Pacer wrote:
    Pegasus wrote:
    it was disappointing to see them dropping it (not attending those 2 but hoping for West Coast ones), but then if they open tickets to people that join AFTER the announcement, it means opportunistic scalpers could get their filthy on front row seats.. (they can already if they bother I know, but it requires more planning).

    huh?

    :?
    I am pretty sure that yesterday's announcement said that tickets were only available to members as of May 3rd until a certain date/time, at which point ANY MEMBER, regardless of when they joined, can get a pair of tickets.

    So I think what Pegasus was getting at is that a scalper could sign up for the 10C today, buy a pair of tickets tomorrow and hit the lottery.

    That said, looks like Toronto is sold out and Chicago can't be far behind.
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  • Ryan_WFCRyan_WFC Posts: 1,350
    Vedd Hedd wrote:
    For a scalper to sell first row 10c lottery tickets, he would have to become a member, wait for a tour, buy the tickets, be at the show to pick up the tickets, hope for a front row seat. If he got a front row seat, he would have to have someone with him helping him out, because they gave you a wrist band in addition to your ticket.

    10-C gives you regular tickets when you get front row. The venue itself might give you a wristband, but by that point the scalper has his/her money and is driving home.
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  • luvisatowerluvisatower Posts: 1,078
    i was sort of hoping for a lottery like last year but with the allotment of tickets going to anyone after the initial pre-sale, i'm glad they're not doing it for all of the previously mentioned reasons.

    i'm just soooooo happy they're playing in chi-town :D
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  • PegasusPegasus Posts: 3,754
    Vedd Hedd wrote:
    For a scalper to sell first row 10c lottery tickets, he would have to become a member, wait for a tour, buy the tickets, be at the show to pick up the tickets, hope for a front row seat. If he got a front row seat, he would have to have someone with him helping him out, because they gave you a wrist band in addition to your ticket. The scalper and his helper would have to remove their wrist bands without ruining them, find someone willing to go through this process without getting caught, give them their wrist bands and tickets.


    And he could only purchase 2 tickets per membership. Even if he had 10 memberships, he is still not guaranteed a lottery seat.

    I like the lottery system for rows 1 and 2, although I am fine if they dont do it for these few shows.
    the point is if you can join once a tour is announced (like now), they wouldn't have to stay in between tours.
    And they only put the wristband on you once you got to your seat (that's how it worked for us at MSG anyway), so nothing stopping them to sell it outside.
  • redrockredrock Posts: 18,341
    edited May 2009
    Pegasus wrote:
    there's people that make a living (or greatly supplement their income) out of scalping.. there's always a bunch of them outside a show, so it's not like they have to travel to pick up the tickets.
    yes it's only 1 pair, alongside all the other tickets from the general sale they scalp

    As you say... one pair of 10C tix, so scalping 10C tix is not an issue (which seemed to be your point). 'General' scalping may be but that does not concern the fan club. And yes, that way, they can make a packet. I still think it is not worth their trouble for a couple of 10C tix (queuing up to pick up two ticket - potential loss of business itme, etc.).

    Anyway... looking at all the 'big and legal' sites that have a resale option, scalping seems pretty much legal!
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  • mrjoegoodwinmrjoegoodwin Posts: 37
    I'd be surprised if the lottery didn't return for the 'proper' tour. Assuming it's just these 2 shows for now, I think reverting to the old seniority system makes sense.

    Would be a shame to abandon the lottery for the future, bigger legs of the tour though.
  • PoncierPoncier Posts: 17,313
    Ryan_WFC wrote:
    Vedd Hedd wrote:
    For a scalper to sell first row 10c lottery tickets, he would have to become a member, wait for a tour, buy the tickets, be at the show to pick up the tickets, hope for a front row seat. If he got a front row seat, he would have to have someone with him helping him out, because they gave you a wrist band in addition to your ticket.

    10-C gives you regular tickets when you get front row. The venue itself might give you a wristband, but by that point the scalper has his/her money and is driving home.
    Yeah, the wristband is given after you enter the seating area, would not deter scalpers in any way.
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  • PearlJamPatriotPearlJamPatriot Posts: 2,426
    mrjoegoodwin wrote:
    I'd be surprised if the lottery didn't return for the 'proper' tour. Assuming it's just these 2 shows for now, I think reverting to the old seniority system makes sense.

    Would be a shame to abandon the lottery for the future, bigger legs of the tour though.
    Tea, you cant say for sure they are abandoning quite yet. They very well may bring it back for a proper tour.
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  • rupy017rupy017 Posts: 249
    I love that there is no lottery. It should ALWAYS be based on seniority.
    That being said, I HATE my upcoming vacation to Texas. We will get back on the date of the Chicago show. I can't pull it off as even if I DO make it home in time, I'll be DEAD TIRED:(:(

    Hopefully, there'll be more dates sometime this year.
  • ZodZod Posts: 10,717
    I guess I feel the odds of winning the lottery are slim, so it would more than likely push me back 4 rows on the floor then get me closer.

    In my experience in vancouver/gorge I seem to get around row 12-15, which would become row 16-20.. at 20 rows back it becomes harder to see on the floor :)

    I guess it would be nice to get in the front rows one day.. but I'm pesimistic and think i'd be better off 4 rows closer :)
  • 100 Pacer100 Pacer Toronto, ON Posts: 9,063
    BeerBaron wrote:
    100 Pacer wrote:
    Pegasus wrote:
    it was disappointing to see them dropping it (not attending those 2 but hoping for West Coast ones), but then if they open tickets to people that join AFTER the announcement, it means opportunistic scalpers could get their filthy on front row seats.. (they can already if they bother I know, but it requires more planning).

    huh?

    :?
    I am pretty sure that yesterday's announcement said that tickets were only available to members as of May 3rd until a certain date/time, at which point ANY MEMBER, regardless of when they joined, can get a pair of tickets.

    So I think what Pegasus was getting at is that a scalper could sign up for the 10C today, buy a pair of tickets tomorrow and hit the lottery.

    That said, looks like Toronto is sold out and Chicago can't be far behind.

    the reason for my confusion and her post not making any sense is that obviously there isn't a lottery in place this time around, so if a "scalper" who recently joined up wanted to flip tickets they'd be shit tickets at best!
    To quote the 10C from Newsletter #8: "Please understand we have a lot of members and it is very hard to please everybody. If you are one of those unhappy people...please call 1-900-IDN-TCAR."

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  • bazzerbazzer Posts: 3,125
    100 Pacer wrote:
    the reason for my confusion and her post not making any sense is that obviously there isn't a lottery in place this time around, so if a "scalper" who recently joined up wanted to flip tickets they'd be shit tickets at best!
    Not at all. She's saying it's bad that they got rid of the lottery this time, but on the other hand the lottery gives scalpers a chance too so maybe it's better they get rid of it.
  • 100 Pacer100 Pacer Toronto, ON Posts: 9,063
    bazzer wrote:
    100 Pacer wrote:
    the reason for my confusion and her post not making any sense is that obviously there isn't a lottery in place this time around, so if a "scalper" who recently joined up wanted to flip tickets they'd be shit tickets at best!
    Not at all. She's saying it's bad that they got rid of the lottery this time, but on the other hand the lottery gives scalpers a chance too so maybe it's better they get rid of it.

    thanks for the clarification,...
    To quote the 10C from Newsletter #8: "Please understand we have a lot of members and it is very hard to please everybody. If you are one of those unhappy people...please call 1-900-IDN-TCAR."

    "Me knowing the truth, I can not concur."

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  • KingmidgetKingmidget Posts: 628
    benjs wrote:
    hopethatuchoke wrote:
    Awesome! So the same old, same old in the front rows. Great example of something they did right on the tour last year and now they are abandoning it.
    You seem to be full of negative things to say - if you've got so many damn complaints about the management, why are you here?


    Ahhhh...this the PJ board and we reserve the right to be critical at times and not always drooling. I think PJ is big on the First Amendment..../
  • KingmidgetKingmidget Posts: 628
    bazzer wrote:
    100 Pacer wrote:
    the reason for my confusion and her post not making any sense is that obviously there isn't a lottery in place this time around, so if a "scalper" who recently joined up wanted to flip tickets they'd be shit tickets at best!
    Not at all. She's saying it's bad that they got rid of the lottery this time, but on the other hand the lottery gives scalpers a chance too so maybe it's better they get rid of it.

    Not sure how the lottery gives scalpers any more of a shot than senority....are you thinking "senior" 10C members never sell their pair or a single for more $...can't/don't believe that. Not allot different than season ticket holders who throw tix on stubhub...they just need to be more careful about it. Rare...I realize, but I don't think the argument holds....
  • Vedder_Girl77Vedder_Girl77 Posts: 4,335
    They need to bring back the lottery for next big tour!! It gives those of us with crappy #s a chance to get a good seat for once.
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