you could have drunkenly married someone of the opposite sex if you had chosen to as well and gotten the same privileges. So does she have more of them than you or not?
um.. what?
That doesn't even make sense. I'm already married.. and I don't have the rights and protections that she has.
you want me to get drunk and marry a woman so... um...
Is it just me or does it seem that marriage needs protection from straight people now?
you could have drunkenly married someone of the opposite sex if you had chosen to as well and gotten the same privileges. So does she have more of them than you or not?
um.. what?
That doesn't even make sense. I'm already married.. and I don't have the rights and protections that she has.
you want me to get drunk and marry a woman so... um...
Is it just me or does it seem that marriage needs protection from straight people now?
It makes perfect sense. You asked why Britney has more "rights" in her quickie, drunken marriage than you do. And I'm saying those rights are THEORETICALLY available to you.
(****and my statement/quote was much longer than that and when you pick and choose what part of it to come out, it loses some of its meaning. Perhaps that's why you're struggling to make sense of it)
The only people we should try to get even with...
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
It makes perfect sense. You asked why Britney has more "rights" in her quickie, drunken marriage than you do. And I'm saying those rights are THEORETICALLY available to you.
(****and my statement/quote was much longer than that and when you pick and choose what part of it to come out, it loses some of its meaning. Perhaps that's why you're struggling to make sense of it)
but he can only do that with a woman. if he wants to go to vegas, get drunk, stumble into some wedding chapel, he can NOT get married to a guy. but britney can.
. If I get married, fine, but it's not something I'm eagerly searching for. it's bullshit, a piece of meaningless paper, and I say meaningless because 60% of those who end up divorcing just trivialized their very vows and the legality of said paper.
Don't get married. Please. Don't get married to a man a woman or anything else. Your attitude towards marriage is why its all fucked up. Marriage is the foundation of human society. If you do get married, which i, once again, beseech you to never do, NEVER EVER reproduce. It won't be fair to your children when you decide to walk away from such "bullshit".
Oh please, take a chill pill! I'm one of the smart ones! I reckon it's people like you who has screwed up the meaning of marriage with your narrow views.
BTW, you can sleep good tonight, I don't plan on having kids. and BTW, just ask Eddie, you don't need to be married to have kids and have a happy life.
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It makes perfect sense. You asked why Britney has more "rights" in her quickie, drunken marriage than you do. And I'm saying those rights are THEORETICALLY available to you.
(****and my statement/quote was much longer than that and when you pick and choose what part of it to come out, it loses some of its meaning. Perhaps that's why you're struggling to make sense of it)
but he can only do that with a woman. if he wants to go to vegas, get drunk, stumble into some wedding chapel, he can NOT get married to a guy. but britney can.
But Britney can't do that with a girl.....but he could....
The only people we should try to get even with...
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
But Britney can't do that with a girl.....but he could....
LOL, I get that. but in that case, its not fair for Britney either. the point you are trying to make is meaningless.
the only point of Jasunmark wanting to get married is for the legal rights that come with it. not because he wants the piece of paper or do the physical act of it. but yes, you are right, Jasunmark can get married to some girl (like britney can with some guy), but so what? he gains nothing from doing that because he doesnt want to share any legal rights or love with a girl.
**Jasunmark, I apologize, correct me if I'm wrong in anything I said. I hate to be speaking for you, and I'm not trying to.
But Britney can't do that with a girl.....but he could....
LOL, I get that. but in that case, its not fair for Britney either. the point you are trying to make is meaningless.
the only point of Jasunmark wanting to get married is for the legal rights that come with it. not because he wants the piece of paper or do the physical act of it. but yes, you are right, Jasunmark can get married to some girl (like britney can with some guy), but so what? he gains nothing from doing that because he doesnt want to share any legal rights or love with a girl.
**Jasunmark, I apologize, correct me if I'm wrong in anything I said. I hate to be speaking for you, and I'm not trying to.
I know it's meaningless, but the point is that TECHNICALLY he already has the same rights that Britney does.
The only people we should try to get even with...
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
. If I get married, fine, but it's not something I'm eagerly searching for. it's bullshit, a piece of meaningless paper, and I say meaningless because 60% of those who end up divorcing just trivialized their very vows and the legality of said paper.
Don't get married. Please. Don't get married to a man a woman or anything else. Your attitude towards marriage is why its all fucked up. Marriage is the foundation of human society. If you do get married, which i, once again, beseech you to never do, NEVER EVER reproduce. It won't be fair to your children when you decide to walk away from such "bullshit".
HAHAHAHAHAHA. Marriage is the foundation of human society eh? Nothing like rewriting history!
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. If I get married, fine, but it's not something I'm eagerly searching for. it's bullshit, a piece of meaningless paper, and I say meaningless because 60% of those who end up divorcing just trivialized their very vows and the legality of said paper.
Don't get married. Please. Don't get married to a man a woman or anything else. Your attitude towards marriage is why its all fucked up. Marriage is the foundation of human society. If you do get married, which i, once again, beseech you to never do, NEVER EVER reproduce. It won't be fair to your children when you decide to walk away from such "bullshit".
Marriage, the foundation? I think society would function alright without marriage...plenty of people hold a dear and long relationship together without ever being married. Besides, what are the statistics on marriages being successful now days? I think divorce lawyers have got themselves a good trade for many years to come. Also, marriage doesn't guarantee reproduction...which would probably be the reason why it's considered the "foundation". I think it might better to consider reproduction the foundation...but hell...human society is a fucking circus anyways.
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I can argue for both, because I truly don't care. Though I'd probably tend just to the 2 people thing, solely for the reason you mentioned... the legal gymnastics of dealing with polygamy would be a pain in the ass.
I don't think the legal aspects would be that difficult. I mean all you would have to do is make a law that says if someone wants to apply for a second marriage licence that before it is issued they have to provide the government with a will, a prenup agreement and a power of attorney prepared by a lawyer to prove that all of that legal shit has been considered in advance. It wouldn’t be that hard I don’t think, I mean at least where I live before you buy a house you are legally required to have the contract reviewed by a lawyer so why not make the same thing if you want a polygamist marriage to be legal.
New Hampshire just voted that gay people are human too and deserve to get married! :P
Five states, 45 more to go!
This isn't really your point and it's probably just semantics, but I don't think anyone - hetero or otherwise - DESERVES to get married. I don't think marriage is a right for anyone, either. It probably falls more into the category of a privilege if anything.
I'm just curious what you mean by a privilege...are you comparing this to other societies? Because as far I knew, marriage was a CHOICE. If it was a privilege wouldn't people be submitting applications for marriage just like students do for financial aid?
Once again, I'm not contradicting...I'm just curious on what you meant.
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Nice to know I've got people in my corner, and no, that's not a euphemism for anything.
There's always going to be someone who's going to try to suggest that I chose to be gay.. that I want to be gay or that even if I didn't choose it that I should have the decency to hide when they can see me.
I don't want to force myself into anyone's life but I DO need to stand up and fight for my rights and the rights of my family. Saying it "should be between consenting adults" is just a way to say "I can't stop you from shagging in your house but have the decency to hide it from me."
Sorry, no.
Straight people parade their sexuality all over the place. I see them with their spouse's pictures on their desks, I see them wearing wedding rings, starting sentences with "my girlfriend and a I...." and walking through the streets holding hands. I see them driving through the streets with "JUST MARRIED" signs on their cars, honking their horns and holding up traffic. I see them on every TV show, every movie and 90% of the billboards out there.
And you know what? I don't want it to stop. Please be you, blackredyellow, but please allow me to have the same rights you do. When Britney Spears can stagger drunk into a wedding chapel to get married "for a joke" and get more rights than I do after 17 years with my husband... there's a pretty big problem there and I think that even YOU will agree to that.
(btw... am I the only homo here?)
You make good points and I generally agree with you.
I will say this - people can look down on you, me or anyone for the way we act or our behavior and there isn't anything we can do about it. They might look down on me for my terrible haircut, my atrocious tattoos, my height, my weight, my fake tan, my accent, my ill-fitting jeans, my facial expressions, etc. It happens all the time and it will never end.
People are by nature judgmental. I'm not defending it, but it happens to everyone constantly and the more time individuals spend looking for ways they are being judged in a negative fashion, the more they will see it and the bigger issue it will become for them personally.
And I do agree that it's not fair that Britney has more rights in that "marriage" (if you can call it that) than you do, but then again - and this is going to come off as harsh but I'm saying it to make an illustration and not because I truly believe it - you could have drunkenly married someone of the opposite sex if you had chosen to as well and gotten the same privileges. So does she have more of them than you or not?
But Britney Spears got plowed drunk and married somebody for a joke's sake, and basically threw the right to get married out the window, which respectfully would piss a lot of people off. That has to be frustrating for someone who sincerely wants to get married to someone they love and want to spend the rest of their life with, but are not allowed to because the two people are of the same sex...
I just think that NO ONE has the right to tell you who you can and can't marry...
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"We know that young man was killed in the commitment of a robbery. It wasn't because he was gay," Foxx said during debate. "The bill was named for him, the hate-crimes bill was named for him, but it's really a hoax that continues to be used as an excuse for passing these bills."
I'm not sure if being raped at one point in her life had a factor in this but who knows.
I even had a gay friend who was once married to my sister. Go figure???
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"We know that young man was killed in the commitment of a robbery. It wasn't because he was gay," Foxx said during debate. "The bill was named for him, the hate-crimes bill was named for him, but it's really a hoax that continues to be used as an excuse for passing these bills."
Oh man... as if that family hasn't been through enough already.
The "Matthew was a meth addict and deserved it and was killed in a drug deal gone bad" slander is a new one. Even at the trial they admitted that they didn't know him and just did it to "teach him a lesson." They killed him for being gay... that's it. Conservatives will do ANYTHING to stop any legal protection for gay people and this proves that there are no depths to which they won't sink.
I just can't imagine how horrible a person you have to be to say something like that.
It seems to me that there are probably going to have to be a few things happening to fix this problem-->
1)Laws will have to be passed to force fairness upon resisting people. (Kind of like affirmative action.)
2) Over time, people who've been forced to accept the equal status of same-sex marriage will grow older and their children will learn to be tolerant and not judgemental about it.
It'll probably have to be done in these two stages. However, if the goals of acceptance and fairness are reached, it'll be worth the intermediary step.
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um.. what?
That doesn't even make sense. I'm already married.. and I don't have the rights and protections that she has.
you want me to get drunk and marry a woman so... um...
Is it just me or does it seem that marriage needs protection from straight people now?
no, not the only one. there's me and i think a couple others
wtf?!?!?!
It makes perfect sense. You asked why Britney has more "rights" in her quickie, drunken marriage than you do. And I'm saying those rights are THEORETICALLY available to you.
(****and my statement/quote was much longer than that and when you pick and choose what part of it to come out, it loses some of its meaning. Perhaps that's why you're struggling to make sense of it)
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
but he can only do that with a woman. if he wants to go to vegas, get drunk, stumble into some wedding chapel, he can NOT get married to a guy. but britney can.
Oh please, take a chill pill! I'm one of the smart ones! I reckon it's people like you who has screwed up the meaning of marriage with your narrow views.
BTW, you can sleep good tonight, I don't plan on having kids. and BTW, just ask Eddie, you don't need to be married to have kids and have a happy life.
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yeah, me too.
First PJ Show: March 20, 1994 | Ann Arbor | Crisler Arena
But Britney can't do that with a girl.....but he could....
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
LOL, I get that. but in that case, its not fair for Britney either. the point you are trying to make is meaningless.
the only point of Jasunmark wanting to get married is for the legal rights that come with it. not because he wants the piece of paper or do the physical act of it. but yes, you are right, Jasunmark can get married to some girl (like britney can with some guy), but so what? he gains nothing from doing that because he doesnt want to share any legal rights or love with a girl.
**Jasunmark, I apologize, correct me if I'm wrong in anything I said. I hate to be speaking for you, and I'm not trying to.
I know it's meaningless, but the point is that TECHNICALLY he already has the same rights that Britney does.
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
It seems so simple if we ignore the tradition of placing up the barrier of only men with women and only women with men as a requirement!
Imagine it. Any two happy adults...without people looking at them as if they were not "healthy" or were "unnatural" to want to be together. :idea:
HAHAHAHAHAHA. Marriage is the foundation of human society eh? Nothing like rewriting history!
One of the smartest statements anyone could make.
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Marriage, the foundation? I think society would function alright without marriage...plenty of people hold a dear and long relationship together without ever being married. Besides, what are the statistics on marriages being successful now days? I think divorce lawyers have got themselves a good trade for many years to come. Also, marriage doesn't guarantee reproduction...which would probably be the reason why it's considered the "foundation". I think it might better to consider reproduction the foundation...but hell...human society is a fucking circus anyways.
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OK.. except the right that I want most is to sponsor my husband of 17 years into America so we don't have to worry about him being denied a Visa.
Yes.. I suppose it's true that I could take part in a sham marriage in Vegas.. except I'm already married and would be a polygamist.
1. You can just call me Jasun
2. Don't stop.. you're batting 1000.
I don't want the right to a meaningless marriage in Vegas, I want some rights and protections for my family's future.
which.. I guess.. is slow.. but coming. Maine just approved gay marriage too.
I don't think the legal aspects would be that difficult. I mean all you would have to do is make a law that says if someone wants to apply for a second marriage licence that before it is issued they have to provide the government with a will, a prenup agreement and a power of attorney prepared by a lawyer to prove that all of that legal shit has been considered in advance. It wouldn’t be that hard I don’t think, I mean at least where I live before you buy a house you are legally required to have the contract reviewed by a lawyer so why not make the same thing if you want a polygamist marriage to be legal.
I'm just curious what you mean by a privilege...are you comparing this to other societies? Because as far I knew, marriage was a CHOICE. If it was a privilege wouldn't people be submitting applications for marriage just like students do for financial aid?
Once again, I'm not contradicting...I'm just curious on what you meant.
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But Britney Spears got plowed drunk and married somebody for a joke's sake, and basically threw the right to get married out the window, which respectfully would piss a lot of people off. That has to be frustrating for someone who sincerely wants to get married to someone they love and want to spend the rest of their life with, but are not allowed to because the two people are of the same sex...
I just think that NO ONE has the right to tell you who you can and can't marry...
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NC rep calls gay student slaying case a 'hoax'
"We know that young man was killed in the commitment of a robbery. It wasn't because he was gay," Foxx said during debate. "The bill was named for him, the hate-crimes bill was named for him, but it's really a hoax that continues to be used as an excuse for passing these bills."
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I don't think so look at Kelly McGinnis.... http://askville.amazon.com/Kelly-McGinn ... d=50475440
I'm not sure if being raped at one point in her life had a factor in this but who knows.
I even had a gay friend who was once married to my sister. Go figure???
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Oh man... as if that family hasn't been through enough already.
The "Matthew was a meth addict and deserved it and was killed in a drug deal gone bad" slander is a new one. Even at the trial they admitted that they didn't know him and just did it to "teach him a lesson." They killed him for being gay... that's it. Conservatives will do ANYTHING to stop any legal protection for gay people and this proves that there are no depths to which they won't sink.
I just can't imagine how horrible a person you have to be to say something like that.
1)Laws will have to be passed to force fairness upon resisting people. (Kind of like affirmative action.)
2) Over time, people who've been forced to accept the equal status of same-sex marriage will grow older and their children will learn to be tolerant and not judgemental about it.
It'll probably have to be done in these two stages. However, if the goals of acceptance and fairness are reached, it'll be worth the intermediary step.
All of the focus is on the marriage part when in reality, her religion is against the whole 'gay' part!!!
Funny is probably the wrong word.
when you try hard enough you can bring out the ass hole in people
it is also true that, if you try you can bring out the good
so sad that we don't try more.