The Gay Debate

soulsinging
soulsinging Posts: 13,202
edited May 2009 in A Moving Train
has been all downhill since Seinfeld's "Outing" episode. Hilarious.

Not that there's anything wrong with that.
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  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    there should be no debate. if you are against gay anything you are wrong. its none of my business actually.
  • soulsinging
    soulsinging Posts: 13,202
    jlew24asu wrote:
    there should be no debate. if you are against gay anything you are wrong. its none of my business actually.

    Agreed. But that episode so hilariously captures how awkward the subject was just 15 years ago.
  • norm
    norm Posts: 31,146
    soulsinging wrote:
    jlew24asu wrote:
    there should be no debate. if you are against gay anything you are wrong. its none of my business actually.

    Agreed. But that episode so hilariously captures how awkward the subject was just 15 years ago.


    if anything, it gave people who are still uncomfortable a humorous way to show it :D
  • Commy
    Commy Posts: 4,984
    why there even is a debate is madness.
  • norm
    norm Posts: 31,146
    Commy wrote:
    why there even is a debate is madness.


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  • Commy
    Commy Posts: 4,984
    norm wrote:
    Commy wrote:
    why there even is a debate is madness.


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    the flat earth society is well on its way....
  • Austicman
    Austicman Posts: 1,328
    Gotta love the Buddy Christ. Absolute Classic!!

    Religious fundemantalcases are the only reason this debate hasn't been put out of its misery.
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  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    soulsinging wrote:
    jlew24asu wrote:
    there should be no debate. if you are against gay anything you are wrong. its none of my business actually.

    Agreed. But that episode so hilariously captures how awkward the subject was just 15 years ago.

    I'm a huge Seinfield fan. excellent show.

    heres a good debate on the issue...


    are gay people born that way?
  • keeponrockin
    keeponrockin Posts: 7,446
    Seinfeld is/was the greatest show of all time.
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  • justam
    justam Posts: 21,415
    If someone could find a way to present the whole issue as a civil rights issue rather than an emotional or religious issue, there might be more progress towards a fair view of where they (people who are not treated fairly) stand now and where they could be in the future.

    All the emotional spinning around the topic disguises the unfairness of the restrictions they face!!

    On top of that, many of the more flamboyant members of their community tend to alienate people and make it more difficult for unreflective people to see it as a topic that needs to be seriously addressed.
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  • soulsinging
    soulsinging Posts: 13,202
    justam wrote:
    If someone could find a way to present the whole issue as a civil rights issue rather than an emotional or religious issue, there might be more progress towards a fair view of where they (people who are not treated fairly) stand now and where they could be in the future.

    All the emotional spinning around the topic disguises the unfairness of the restrictions they face!!

    On top of that, many of the more flamboyant members of their community tend to alienate people and make it more difficult for unreflective people to see it as a topic that needs to be seriously addressed.

    I think that's what struck me about the episode (aside from laughing my ass off). Even people that are supportive of equal rights (like everyone in the show essentially) don't necessarily know how to respond to the issue or how to help. It's not so much like that anymore, but there are a lot of people who probably don't give a fuck if gay people can get married, but still aren't very comfortable talking about the issue.
  • justam
    justam Posts: 21,415
    soulsinging wrote:

    I think that's what struck me about the episode (aside from laughing my ass off). Even people that are supportive of equal rights (like everyone in the show essentially) don't necessarily know how to respond to the issue or how to help. It's not so much like that anymore, but there are a lot of people who probably don't give a fuck if gay people can get married, but still aren't very comfortable talking about the issue.

    Or, perhaps it's something that needs to be unwrapped for people so that they can see it properly?

    Right now it's still wearing the clothes from two generations ago and people have just gotten accustomed to the frumpy outfit it wears as if the issue is just some kooky old relative everyone ignores.
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  • HermanBloom
    HermanBloom Posts: 1,764
    Commy wrote:
    why there even is a debate is madness.
    Not at all; just like Al Gore said the debate about global warming was over when so much science disproves it. Saying the debate is over always comes from the left when they have nothing left to stand on.
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  • blackredyellow
    blackredyellow Posts: 5,889
    nathanastin wrote:
    Commy wrote:
    why there even is a debate is madness.
    Not at all; just like Al Gore said the debate about global warming was over when so much science disproves it. Saying the debate is over always comes from the left when they have nothing left to stand on.

    You are comparing apples to zebras... Global warming (or at least the cause of it) is open for debate, and we will never know the exact cause(s) or if/when the trend will go the other way.

    As far as the gay issue, there isn't one... there have always been gay people, and there always will.... nothing really to debate about that. People can pretend that they don't exist, or somehow think that it's a choice, but judgements made against homosexuality are always based on religion, or the belief that it's "icky".

    I don't even know why I am even responding to your post anyway... you always just throw in some hannity-like drive-by talking point and never follow up on it anyway.
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  • know1
    know1 Posts: 6,801
    I agree that there shouldn't be a debate. Sexual preference between consenting adults is nobody else's business.

    That being said, it's not a civil rights issue.
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  • blackredyellow
    blackredyellow Posts: 5,889
    edited April 2009
    know1 wrote:
    I agree that there shouldn't be a debate. Sexual preference between consenting adults is nobody else's business.

    That being said, it's not a civil rights issue.

    Sexual preference isn't a civil rights issue, but being discriminated because of it is. Whether that goes as far as marriage is up to debate, but people have the right to be treated as far as hiring, firing, renting to, etc., regardless of sexual preference.
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  • justam
    justam Posts: 21,415
    blackredyellow wrote:
    know1 wrote:
    I agree that there shouldn't be a debate. Sexual preference between consenting adults is nobody else's business.

    That being said, it's not a civil rights issue.

    Sexual preference isn't a civil rights issue, but being discriminated because of it is. Whether that goes as far as marriage is up to debate, but people have the right to be treated as far as hiring, firing, renting to, etc., regardless of sexual preference.

    Yes. That's the point. Anytime they aren't given the same treatment because they are not heterosexual, it is a civil rights issue.
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  • whitepants
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    New Hampshire just voted that gay people are human too and deserve to get married! :P

    Five states, 45 more to go!
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  • Prince Of Dorkness
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    Nice to know I've got people in my corner, and no, that's not a euphemism for anything.

    There's always going to be someone who's going to try to suggest that I chose to be gay.. that I want to be gay or that even if I didn't choose it that I should have the decency to hide when they can see me.

    I don't want to force myself into anyone's life but I DO need to stand up and fight for my rights and the rights of my family. Saying it "should be between consenting adults" is just a way to say "I can't stop you from shagging in your house but have the decency to hide it from me."

    Sorry, no.

    Straight people parade their sexuality all over the place. I see them with their spouse's pictures on their desks, I see them wearing wedding rings, starting sentences with "my girlfriend and a I...." and walking through the streets holding hands. I see them driving through the streets with "JUST MARRIED" signs on their cars, honking their horns and holding up traffic. I see them on every TV show, every movie and 90% of the billboards out there.

    And you know what? I don't want it to stop. Please be you, blackredyellow, but please allow me to have the same rights you do. When Britney Spears can stagger drunk into a wedding chapel to get married "for a joke" and get more rights than I do after 17 years with my husband... there's a pretty big problem there and I think that even YOU will agree to that.





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  • know1
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    whitepants wrote:
    New Hampshire just voted that gay people are human too and deserve to get married! :P

    Five states, 45 more to go!

    This isn't really your point and it's probably just semantics, but I don't think anyone - hetero or otherwise - DESERVES to get married. I don't think marriage is a right for anyone, either. It probably falls more into the category of a privilege if anything.
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