Arlen Spector Switching Parties
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I can almost taste that supermajority when Franken gets seated. Coleman will be under a lot of fire now to take that as long as he possibly can.
I can almost taste that supermajority when Franken gets seated. Coleman will be under a lot of fire now to take that as long as he possibly can.
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Yeah... a self-preservation move if there ever was one.
I was a PA resident for the first 30 years of my life, and I was always "ok" with Spector... Whatever his motivations were, he seemed to act on his own a lot of times. But this move re-enforces the rule that the number one job of a politician is getting re-elected.
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― Abraham Lincoln
Im sure he wont be missed by some , Hell he should of done this years ago pro choice for embryonic stem cell research, not even close to a republican or conservative and yes he would have lost in 2010
He probably would have lost? Why? Because the GOP in PA isn't in line with his beliefs. Why not switch?
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the term supermajority gives me the creeps. I think its a very dangerous course to be on. and I dont care what party has the majority, I just hate the idea of any one party having ALL the say.
Oh come on Jeff. It's working so well here in Illinois where the Dems control every constitutional office, the Supreme Court, and both chambers of the General Assembly...
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I'm just waiting for the mandatory I Love Obama Tee Shirt Friday laws to be passed. 10 public lashings for non compliance!
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+1 not to mention a left wing media that will support the dems no matter what the case may be.
Again with the media? I've been on a lot of campaigns in my day, and the true sign that a ship is sinking is when the "blame the media" card is being played.
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Specter is a true fraud; only switch because there was no way he could make it out of the GOP primary.
This country is getting scarier by the day; a true totalatarian regime is coming, and don't give me that crap that the Repubs had it for 6 years. They never did anything as scary and sweeping as the Obama take over of our lives.
I thought the world...Turns out the world thought me
Dramatic much? The repubs started an unnecessary war, and increased the size and scope of the government exponentially... Obama is giving them a shot on the spending side, but to say that the republicans didn't do things as scary and sweeping is a tad misleading don't ya think?
I just wonder if in 4-8 years, the "destroying our country" crowd on the right will admit that they were wrong, or be silent like the "destroying our country" crowd on the left was after Bush left office. Being the boy who cried wolf is a pretty popular gig in the political hackery business.
was like a picture
of a sunny day
“We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses.”
― Abraham Lincoln
Why weren't you crying "totalatarian regime" when Bush was wiping his ass with the constitution? What in these 100 days makes you even think that such a drastic change is sweeping since Obama took over.
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This is why the Republican party is slipping further into irrelevance every day. When it's a bunch of bullshit values judgment calls that defines your party, you're fucked. Kudos to PA for realizing these snake-oil politicians have been exploiting them with paranoia about guns and religion for years so that they can fuck them in the ass economically.
What take over is that? Cos I was pretty spooked by the "with us (aka hard line Christian fundamentalists) or with terrorists", the Patriot Act, wire-tapping, torture, pre-emptive war, etc... I can't think of anything Obama has done to take over my life.
does anyone see the danger in this?
this is not a left or right issue with me at all.
I'm not sure how many times it has happened in the past jlew, but I think the last time it happened was when LBJ was in office.
uh oh
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I see where you are coming from... The problem for me, is not with it in place currently (because I sort of agree with shifting policy back from where the last administration pushed it), but the fact that there doesn't seem like there is an end in site. You would think that the dems gobbling up all this power will be the perfect fuel for a republican rebound, but they just don't seem to have any idea how the right their ship or which direction to head.
was like a picture
of a sunny day
“We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses.”
― Abraham Lincoln
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That's why were gonna see massive turn outs in 2010. I wont be voting for any Incumbent Republican or Democrat
I hope you are right. and I think there is a good chance you are. pendulum always swings.
on a side note...you really like to talk about big dicks
I don't think the turnout will be drastically larger than any other mid-term election. It will be the first nationwide vote to give an idea of what people are thinking of the Obama administration. In all possibilities, it's very possible to see further Dem gains in both the House and the Senate. I wouldn't be shocked to see the Senate get above 63 for the Dems.
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I don't know if that's true. I don't think the dems are as far left as people think... they swept the republicans because they were kinda centrist and the republicans had been hijacked by the Christian evangelicals. There's not any single bloc within the democratic party that can wield that kind of influence over party policy, and many of their core voters are pretty centrist blue collar workers.
big veiny bastards...
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You're right soul, the Dems aren't there yet. However, I could see the GOP going after some of the members that won in both 2006 and 2008 by running as moderate Democrats, and making them seem super liberal by playing the "why would a moderate cast a vote for liberal Nancy Pelosi as Speaker of the House". Sadly, shit like that works in some of those districts that switched the last couple election cycles.
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The difference between the US and other governments is most others have multiple parties and the US has only a 2-party system. On the one hand, that does mean there's more inter-party cooperation in other countries. On the other, it means that kind of happens within the party in the US. In Ireland, based on my understanding, you vote with your party, period. You can fight it out within the party to push a certain party decision, but when the vote is cast, you either vote with the party or get kicked out. That doesn't happen here. And even with 60 dems in the Senate I don't see it being very easy to get them to all vote yes all the time. So it is potentially uncomfortable, but I think it's a bit early to be really worried about this too much. When have the dems ever been able to get their shit together and get anything done before? Odds are they'll do enough infighting that you won't even need the republicans to oppose them, and then in 2 years people will be pissed that with 2 years of a supermajority they couldn't get shit done and vote them out.