Will PJ play Dallas before ACL Festival

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What do you guys think the odds of PJ playing Big D before they head down to Austin for the festival? Let's hope so!!!!

HermanBloom

I hope not. No Cowboys fans deserve to see PJ

mfc2006

i think there's a good chance that they'll play 2 of these 3 right around the ACL date: Dallas, Houston, San Antonio.

given2fly23

this clause is standard for Lollapalooza. I would assume ACL has a similar clause.

For 60 days before and 30 days after their Lollapalooza appearance, Lolla performers are prohibited from booking a show within 250 miles of Chicago (which includes Madison, Milwaukee, Champaign, Indianapolis, Ann Arbor and Iowa City).

Zoso

non-entity wrote:

this clause is standard for Lollapalooza. I would assume ACL has a similar clause.

For 60 days before and 30 days after their Lollapalooza appearance, Lolla performers are prohibited from booking a show within 250 miles of Chicago (which includes Madison, Milwaukee, Champaign, Indianapolis, Ann Arbor and Iowa City).

if this is the same for ACL than the OP question is answered.

Indifference71

non-entity wrote:

this clause is standard for Lollapalooza. I would assume ACL has a similar clause.

For 60 days before and 30 days after their Lollapalooza appearance, Lolla performers are prohibited from booking a show within 250 miles of Chicago (which includes Madison, Milwaukee, Champaign, Indianapolis, Ann Arbor and Iowa City).

If that is true, then how did PJ play the Vic 3 days before they played Lolla?

mfc2006

Indifference71 wrote:

non-entity wrote:

this clause is standard for Lollapalooza. I would assume ACL has a similar clause.

For 60 days before and 30 days after their Lollapalooza appearance, Lolla performers are prohibited from booking a show within 250 miles of Chicago (which includes Madison, Milwaukee, Champaign, Indianapolis, Ann Arbor and Iowa City).

If that is true, then how did PJ play the Vic 3 days before they played Lolla?

good question! maybe they asked to have that clause removed in order for them to be booked @ Lolla? and maybe they'll do the same for ACL.

given2fly23

Indifference71 wrote:

If that is true, then how did PJ play the Vic 3 days before they played Lolla?

I am sure exceptions are made. that is a quote from the Tribune, not just something I came up with. take it for what it's worth.

Who Princess

non-entity wrote:

this clause is standard for Lollapalooza. I would assume ACL has a similar clause.

For 60 days before and 30 days after their Lollapalooza appearance, Lolla performers are prohibited from booking a show within 250 miles of Chicago (which includes Madison, Milwaukee, Champaign, Indianapolis, Ann Arbor and Iowa City).

:roll:
I don't know how this question keeps coming up.

I live in the Dallas area. I am here to tell you that many of the acts that play ACL also play shows in/around Dallas the week before or after ACL weekend or even the same weekend. Every year. I have witnessed this while attending ACL the last 2 years and I was not hallucinating, meaning I could have seen some of the same artists without going to Austin. Also, there are usually helpful weekend guides about how you can "STAY IN TOWN and see your own version of ACL!"

So if PJ doesn't do a show in Dallas, it won't because of any bogus ACL clause.

*Edit: Sorry to be a grouch but people keep bringing this up and it makes me tired.

Veddrman

I hope they play Dallas, Houston, and San Antonio! Heck, while we are at it come to the Rio Grande Valley.

pjsteelerfan

Not all festivals may have the clause. I hope not for the people in the South and Texas. Bonaroo might have had one since they did not play atlanta or Charlotte. The vic wa a small fan club show, so that my have been how they got out of it for Lolla.

given2fly23

pjsteelerfan wrote:

Not all festivals may have the clause.

of course not, but Lolla and ACL are put forth by the same company (C3 Presents).

again, I couldnt care less if Texas gets 0 or 15 add'l shows, I'm just posting what I have read about the festival industry. I know some people want to it take it as a personal attack on themselves or the state they live in, but it's not intended that way.

carry on.

BeerBaron

Indifference71 wrote:

non-entity wrote:

this clause is standard for Lollapalooza. I would assume ACL has a similar clause.

For 60 days before and 30 days after their Lollapalooza appearance, Lolla performers are prohibited from booking a show within 250 miles of Chicago (which includes Madison, Milwaukee, Champaign, Indianapolis, Ann Arbor and Iowa City).

If that is true, then how did PJ play the Vic 3 days before they played Lolla?

There are a couple of things about the Vic show that allowed them to get around this standard clause.

1. Tickets never went on sale to the public
2. Not even the fan club demand could be fulfilled, and that had to be known ahead of time.
3. I am sure PJ wrote in to the contract that they needed a warm up show of some kind and the Vic idea seems like a reasonable compromise.

pjsteelerfan

non-entity wrote:

pjsteelerfan wrote:

Not all festivals may have the clause.

of course not, but Lolla and ACL are put forth by the same company (C3 Presents).

again, I couldnt care less if Texas gets 0 or 15 add'l shows, I'm just posting what I have read about the festival industry. I know some people want to it take it as a personal attack on themselves or the state they live in, but it's not intended that way.

carry on.

I agree with you, I was just hoping for all the fans in the south that is does not.

Pushin Forward Back

San Antonio will not happen. Its a bad market and their local enonomy is in the shits since AT&T left town.

Houston and Dallas are safe/best bets..


Maybe New Orleans too?



PS with all the non-compete clause BS. PJ will have regional shows prior to or after ACL Fest. ACL Fest needs PJ not the other way around and there are always one offs and regional routing for festivals so if you or your band get bound to that clause you have shitty management

Who Princess

non-entity wrote:

pjsteelerfan wrote:

Not all festivals may have the clause.

of course not, but Lolla and ACL are put forth by the same company (C3 Presents).

again, I couldnt care less if Texas gets 0 or 15 add'l shows, I'm just posting what I have read about the festival industry. I know some people want to it take it as a personal attack on themselves or the state they live in, but it's not intended that way.

carry on.

Not seeing it as a personal attack, it's just that this has come up several times in other threads about ACL over the last couple of months.

And as much as I'd like a Dallas show I know better than to expect one, even if there isn't a clause for ACL.

LiteTheMatch

I saw Manu Chao in Austin the day before ACL. And I also saw him at ACL.

Also, here in Chicago, many of the Lollapalooza bands often play concerts days before, after, or during Lollapalooza.

Flagg

Last year, the Dallas venue had PJ listed for 9/25, which was just a couple of days within ACL. Then they supposedly backed out of ACL and the Dallas date disappeared as well.

Hopefully they will put it back this year, or at least some other place like Houston or San Antonio.

Don't get me wrong, I am not complaining and am happy as hell they are even showing their faces in Texas, but I would like a couple of regular shows to go with ACL.

Open

Flagg wrote:

Last year, the Dallas venue had PJ listed for 9/25, which was just a couple of days within ACL. Then they supposedly backed out of ACL and the Dallas date disappeared as well.

Hopefully they will put it back this year, or at least some other place like Houston or San Antonio.

Don't get me wrong, I am not complaining and am happy as hell they are even showing their faces in Texas, but I would like a couple of regular shows to go with ACL.

Last year is what i immediately thought of as well; I can totally see a Dallas and Houston show. San Antonio is a few miles south of ACL so i dont see that happening, though i hope it does.

BeerBaron

I guess no one know for sure what restrictions ACL put on the headliners. But based on last year, it may be possible for a Dallas show before or after ACL.

slightofjeff

San Antonio will not happen. Its a bad market and their local enonomy is in the shits since AT&T left town.

Houston and Dallas are safe/best bets..


Maybe New Orleans too?

Wait, so PJ won't play San Antonio because the economy is in the crapper (which, by the way, isn't true) ... but they will play New Orleans?!? Yeah, the economy is fuckin' humming in New Orleans right now.

Jeez.

I agree with you that Dallas and Houston are safer bets. But if they don't play San Antonio, it will be because it's an hour away from ACL ... not because of any economic/market issues you seem to be pulling out of thin air. (Yes, I live here. Can you tell?).

weenie

Flagg wrote:

Last year, the Dallas venue had PJ listed for 9/25, which was just a couple of days within ACL. Then they supposedly backed out of ACL and the Dallas date disappeared as well.

Hopefully they will put it back this year, or at least some other place like Houston or San Antonio.

Don't get me wrong, I am not complaining and am happy as hell they are even showing their faces in Texas, but I would like a couple of regular shows to go with ACL.

Great memory Flagg~ I remembered the Dallas cancellation but didn't connect it with the cancellation at ACL (memory-wise). I'm NOT going to ACL and therefore am counting on at least a Houston and Dallas show. San Antonio would be icing on the cake. Better yet, tickets to the ACL taping! Now that would be primo. Looks like about 300 people total in those audiences.

slightofjeff

weenie wrote:

Flagg wrote:

Last year, the Dallas venue had PJ listed for 9/25, which was just a couple of days within ACL. Then they supposedly backed out of ACL and the Dallas date disappeared as well.

Hopefully they will put it back this year, or at least some other place like Houston or San Antonio.

Don't get me wrong, I am not complaining and am happy as hell they are even showing their faces in Texas, but I would like a couple of regular shows to go with ACL.

Great memory Flagg~ I remembered the Dallas cancellation but didn't connect it with the cancellation at ACL (memory-wise). I'm NOT going to ACL and therefore am counting on at least a Houston and Dallas show. San Antonio would be icing on the cake. Better yet, tickets to the ACL taping! Now that would be primo. Looks like about 300 people total in those audiences.

The ACL taping might end up being the toughest ticket in Pearl Jam history. Would be bad ass, though.

LukinFan

I hope they play New Orleans!!!!

weenie

slightofjeff wrote:

weenie wrote:

Flagg wrote:

Last year, the Dallas venue had PJ listed for 9/25, which was just a couple of days within ACL. Then they supposedly backed out of ACL and the Dallas date disappeared as well.

Hopefully they will put it back this year, or at least some other place like Houston or San Antonio.

Don't get me wrong, I am not complaining and am happy as hell they are even showing their faces in Texas, but I would like a couple of regular shows to go with ACL.

Great memory Flagg~ I remembered the Dallas cancellation but didn't connect it with the cancellation at ACL (memory-wise). I'm NOT going to ACL and therefore am counting on at least a Houston and Dallas show. San Antonio would be icing on the cake. Better yet, tickets to the ACL taping! Now that would be primo. Looks like about 300 people total in those audiences.

The ACL taping might end up being the toughest ticket in Pearl Jam history. Would be bad ass, though.

Yep, I guess you're right. But I can dream~~~~~~~~~ (little cutie in your pic by-the-way)

Who Princess

slightofjeff wrote:

weenie wrote:

Flagg wrote:

Last year, the Dallas venue had PJ listed for 9/25, which was just a couple of days within ACL. Then they supposedly backed out of ACL and the Dallas date disappeared as well.

Hopefully they will put it back this year, or at least some other place like Houston or San Antonio.

Don't get me wrong, I am not complaining and am happy as hell they are even showing their faces in Texas, but I would like a couple of regular shows to go with ACL.

Great memory Flagg~ I remembered the Dallas cancellation but didn't connect it with the cancellation at ACL (memory-wise). I'm NOT going to ACL and therefore am counting on at least a Houston and Dallas show. San Antonio would be icing on the cake. Better yet, tickets to the ACL taping! Now that would be primo. Looks like about 300 people total in those audiences.

The ACL taping might end up being the toughest ticket in Pearl Jam history. Would be bad ass, though.

Last year 9/25 was the Thursday before ACL so they easily could have played Dallas and headlined on Sunday, something I had been counting on! ACL is becoming a regular even for me though.

A friend who lives in Austin has been to a couple of ACL tapings and he says it is a combination of timing and luck (like lots of things).

Cob

Okay, first of all I mentioned this clause on here over a month ago and got beat down by people for talking about it. I live in Austin and from what I have heard, the clause for ACL is for the Headliners, and does NOT include the actual city of Austin. Last year David Byrne played at the Paramount on the Thurs. before ACL here in Austin. I know C3 Presents who are from Austin put on ACL also do Lolla, I'm not sure what the clause is for Lolla, but remember when PJ played at the Vic, it was IN Chicago, not in a neighboring town.

I think that what they are trying to stop are headliners playing in close by competing markets, it is also common for lots of band a performers, headliners and lower level acts to do an ACL tapings and play at Stubbs or the Austin Music Hall and other venues the weekend of ACL fest as well as the days leading up to it. The year Bob Dylan was the headliner, he played a show at Stubbs, so I think the clause is more about bands and performers not playing in a competing city as some people in that city may just go see them there and not make the trip to ACL and Lolla. Again, these are just things I hear in Austin, I'm not even really sure if this clause even exists or not, I am going to ask some people I know this week and try to get a straight answer. Again, these are just my opinions based on information that I have heard over the years here in Austin from people who are slightly in the know, some more slightly than others.

Flagg

Cob wrote:

Okay, first of all I mentioned this clause on here over a month ago and got beat down by people for talking about it. I live in Austin and from what I have heard, the clause for ACL is for the Headliners, and does NOT include the actual city of Austin. Last year David Byrne played at the Paramount on the Thurs. before ACL here in Austin. I know C3 Presents who are from Austin put on ACL also do Lolla, I'm not sure what the clause is for Lolla, but remember when PJ played at the Vic, it was IN Chicago, not in a neighboring town.

I think that what they are trying to stop are headliners playing in close by competing markets, it is also common for lots of band a performers, headliners and lower level acts to do an ACL tapings and play at Stubbs or the Austin Music Hall and other venues the weekend of ACL fest as well as the days leading up to it. The year Bob Dylan was the headliner, he played a show at Stubbs, so I think the clause is more about bands and performers not playing in a competing city as some people in that city may just go see them there and not make the trip to ACL and Lolla. Again, these are just things I hear in Austin, I'm not even really sure if this clause even exists or not, I am going to ask some people I know this week and try to get a straight answer. Again, these are just my opinions based on information that I have heard over the years here in Austin from people who are slightly in the know, some more slightly than others.

Thanks. I guess we'll just wait and see. Hopefully when they do the full tour for album #9 they won't leave Texas out again this time. In that case Texas shows later in the fall are possible or even next year if a full tour goes for several months.

I am all over ACL, but I am also selfish and want more!

ComeToTX

Cob wrote:

Okay, first of all I mentioned this clause on here over a month ago and got beat down by people for talking about it. I live in Austin and from what I have heard, the clause for ACL is for the Headliners, and does NOT include the actual city of Austin. Last year David Byrne played at the Paramount on the Thurs. before ACL here in Austin. I know C3 Presents who are from Austin put on ACL also do Lolla, I'm not sure what the clause is for Lolla, but remember when PJ played at the Vic, it was IN Chicago, not in a neighboring town.

I think that what they are trying to stop are headliners playing in close by competing markets, it is also common for lots of band a performers, headliners and lower level acts to do an ACL tapings and play at Stubbs or the Austin Music Hall and other venues the weekend of ACL fest as well as the days leading up to it. The year Bob Dylan was the headliner, he played a show at Stubbs, so I think the clause is more about bands and performers not playing in a competing city as some people in that city may just go see them there and not make the trip to ACL and Lolla. Again, these are just things I hear in Austin, I'm not even really sure if this clause even exists or not, I am going to ask some people I know this week and try to get a straight answer. Again, these are just my opinions based on information that I have heard over the years here in Austin from people who are slightly in the know, some more slightly than others.

A lot of the ACL bands do official and unofficial aftershows around town Thursday - Sunday of ACL fest.

The ACL studios can hold around 350 to 475. It all depends on wheteher the fire marshall shows up. Seriously. It's not a small room but the exits are pretty cramped so they take it pretty seriously. They are going to be moving to a much bigger venue in a year or two, which has it's positives and negatives. I've been to 3 tapings (MMJ, Drive By Truckers and a split with Blind Boys of AL and Robert Randolph) and honestly there is no better sounding venue.

Who Princess

Flagg wrote:

I am all over ACL, but I am also selfish and want more!

+1

weenie

ComeToTX wrote:

Cob wrote:

Okay, first of all I mentioned this clause on here over a month ago and got beat down by people for talking about it. I live in Austin and from what I have heard, the clause for ACL is for the Headliners, and does NOT include the actual city of Austin. Last year David Byrne played at the Paramount on the Thurs. before ACL here in Austin. I know C3 Presents who are from Austin put on ACL also do Lolla, I'm not sure what the clause is for Lolla, but remember when PJ played at the Vic, it was IN Chicago, not in a neighboring town.

I think that what they are trying to stop are headliners playing in close by competing markets, it is also common for lots of band a performers, headliners and lower level acts to do an ACL tapings and play at Stubbs or the Austin Music Hall and other venues the weekend of ACL fest as well as the days leading up to it. The year Bob Dylan was the headliner, he played a show at Stubbs, so I think the clause is more about bands and performers not playing in a competing city as some people in that city may just go see them there and not make the trip to ACL and Lolla. Again, these are just things I hear in Austin, I'm not even really sure if this clause even exists or not, I am going to ask some people I know this week and try to get a straight answer. Again, these are just my opinions based on information that I have heard over the years here in Austin from people who are slightly in the know, some more slightly than others.

A lot of the ACL bands do official and unofficial aftershows around town Thursday - Sunday of ACL fest.

The ACL studios can hold around 350 to 475. It all depends on wheteher the fire marshall shows up. Seriously. It's not a small room but the exits are pretty cramped so they take it pretty seriously. They are going to be moving to a much bigger venue in a year or two, which has it's positives and negatives. I've been to 3 tapings (MMJ, Drive By Truckers and a split with Blind Boys of AL and Robert Randolph) and honestly there is no better sounding venue.

So I have to ask, did you just get lucky when you requested the tickets, or do you know someone who was able to set you up?