Release The CIA Memo's

Cosmo

jlew24asu wrote:

am I missing something? all you did was quote the post, not reply?

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Slip of the mouse click... my bad.

WaveCameCrashin

Cosmo wrote:

prfctlefts wrote:

Hey Cosmo Do you have esp? WTf you're comparing our CIA guys to the Nazis Well first of all none of these guys that were what you call tortured died while in our custody and 2nd of all there was always a physician present when these interrogations happened. And since your so damn smart at gathering Intel how the fuck should we get it then. Should we give them a Lazy Boy and a wide screen and say please tell me what you know Mr.Al Kaboom we really need to know what you know :roll:

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You are missing the point. You are only fixating on one thing... justifying the use of torture.
By your excusing our use of torture... you are basically okaying the act of torture. You try to justify it by saying we have to use it. But, in sayng so... you are saying that it was okay to Iraqis under Hussein to accept the torture of his dissidents... for the people of the former Soviet Union to justify the agents of KGB to torture... for the German people of the Third Reich to excuse the torture inflicted by the SS... for the religious people of Spain to justify the use of torture during the Inquisition... for the citizens of the Roman Empire to agree with torture.
All i am saying is that we are Americans. We're suppose to be the good guys. Since when do the good guys resort to the same tactics as the bad guys?
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Justify all you want... torture is torture. The only difference is on which side of the act you are on.
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And honestly... i don't know why I even bother to try to explain this to you. You are obviously on one track and apparently incapable of even trying to see anything other than what you believe. Trying to talk to you is... well, torture.

You need to lay off the weed and get a clue cos you definatly dont get it ,Shit my older brothers beat my ass daily.and probably far worse then any of these guys ever got what you call torture . I guess you would rather see innocent americans get killed rather then dunking a damn terrorist head in the water . Just like I said though you never give any solutions to how we should handle these guys. I guess we should just sit around and do Bong hits and sing kumbaya

Commy

Torture away.

Just know that every man tortured in a cell in some dungeon ...every time that happens, it gives the forces fighting US troops a reason to fight. A perfectly good reason to fight.

And that list about waterboarding and walling, released by the Obama administration is bullshit.

Torture is torture. They don't put a neck brace on a guy before they slam him into a wall...that is the stupidest thing i have ever heard...they sodomize people with nightsticks...they beat them senseless, they electrocute them, sometimes they die. Broken bones, cuts, broken jaws, broken teeth. its not regulated like they would have you believe with the release of the information. and lot of guys are literally tortured to death.





Here's torture, and i'm betting not many people here have seen the following pictures.

They are all very disturbing.

http://www.clintonfein.com/torture/imag ... -large.jpg


New from Abu Ghraib-

http://www.informationclearinghouse.inf ... raib_4.jpg
http://www.informationclearinghouse.inf ... hraib6.jpg
http://www.informationclearinghouse.inf ... x375,0.jpg


And probably the most disturbing
http://www.antiwar.com/photos/perm/ag20.jpg

yes that's blood, a lot of blood. And yes those are drag marks from the body they pulled out of the cell. The guy didn't survive that session.

covered in bliss

why does the public - NEED - to know this information? Can someone explain it?

WaveCameCrashin

Commy wrote:

Torture away.

Just know that every man tortured in a cell in some dungeon ...every time that happens, it gives the forces fighting US troops a reason to fight. A perfectly good reason to fight.

And that list about waterboarding and walling, released by the Obama administration is bullshit.

Torture is torture. They don't put a neck brace on a guy before they slam him into a wall...that is the stupidest thing i have ever heard...they sodomize people with nightsticks...they beat them senseless, they electrocute them, sometimes they die. Broken bones, cuts, broken jaws, broken teeth. its not regulated like they would have you believe with the release of the information. and lot of guys are literally tortured to death.





Here's torture, and i'm betting not many people here have seen the following pictures.

They are all very disturbing.

http://www.clintonfein.com/torture/imag ... -large.jpg


New from Abu Ghraib-

http://www.informationclearinghouse.inf ... raib_4.jpg
http://www.informationclearinghouse.inf ... hraib6.jpg
http://www.informationclearinghouse.inf ... x375,0.jpg


And probably the most disturbing
http://www.antiwar.com/photos/perm/ag20.jpg

yes that's blood, a lot of blood. And yes those are drag marks from the body they pulled out of the cell. The guy didn't survive that session.

how do you know it's bullshit ? did you get briefed on it by the white house? :roll: Abu ghraib ? those soldiers are being punished for what they did and we all know that. these pics do nothing but make things worse. You make it sound like all the troops partake in these things when you know goddamn well they dont. Nobody died so quit making this shit up Pinko.

Commy

prfctlefts wrote:

how do you know it's bullshit ? did you get briefed on it by the white house? :roll: Abu ghraib ? those soldiers are being punished for what they did and we all know that. these pics do nothing but make things worse. You make it sound like all the troops partake in these things when you know goddamn well they dont. Nobody died so quit making this shit up Pinko.

if you seriously think we put neck braces on these guys before kicking the shit out of them I don't know what to tell you.

Do your own research. I did.

Like the Contras?

Have you even heard about those guys?

They make Al-Quaeda look like a bunch of pussies.

Dropping pregnant women out of helicopters into villages, torture you can't imagine, burning people alive in front of their families, killing babies and displaying their bodies...

Here's a story about these guys...and I can provide a source if you want, its not propaganda, as hard to believe as it seems

The men had left the village. Only the women and children were left. The Contras came, went into a house and raped and killed everybody there. They went on to cut the heads off their victims. Even the young baby. 8 people, all young or women.

They set the table with fine silverware and plates, and placed the bodies around the table, with the heads on the plates. And the hands on top of the heads. They couldn't get the babies hands to stay on its head, so they used nails. The cups and bowls were filled with blood.

That scene was left for the men to come back to.

The Contras were directly funded by the US Congress.

Trained right here in the USA.




I guarantee the info in the memo is a tiny part of the story.

Cosmo

prfctlefts wrote:

You need to lay off the weed and get a clue cos you definatly dont get it ,Shit my older brothers beat my ass daily.and probably far worse then any of these guys ever got what you call torture . I guess you would rather see innocent americans get killed rather then dunking a damn terrorist head in the water . Just like I said though you never give any solutions to how we should handle these guys. I guess we should just sit around and do Bong hits and sing kumbaya

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The daily beating by your brothers... okay... that explains the permanent brain damage and your inability to engage in a reasoned debate.

WaveCameCrashin

Cosmo wrote:

prfctlefts wrote:

You need to lay off the weed and get a clue cos you definatly dont get it ,Shit my older brothers beat my ass daily.and probably far worse then any of these guys ever got what you call torture . I guess you would rather see innocent americans get killed rather then dunking a damn terrorist head in the water . Just like I said though you never give any solutions to how we should handle these guys. I guess we should just sit around and do Bong hits and sing kumbaya

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The daily beating by your brothers... okay... that explains the permanent brain damage and your inability to engage in a reasoned debate.

The only people with any brain damage are you and PINKO.
Reasoned debate on AMT? yeah right... since when have you ever made any sense. Not once have you ever given any solutions on this topic. It's just were the bad guys you seem to think making some one just a little uncomfortable classifies as torture and then you point to the Soviets, the Germans,and all this other B.S. that has nothing to do with the issue. so let me ask you this. When we get hit again Wtf are you going to say then. What kind of bull shit will you come up with. Your post are about as pointless and dumb as that avatar you got .

WaveCameCrashin

covered in bliss wrote:

why does the public - NEED - to know this information? Can someone explain it?

We dont, all Obama did by doing this was weaken our defenses

WaveCameCrashin

Commy wrote:

prfctlefts wrote:

how do you know it's bullshit ? did you get briefed on it by the white house? :roll: Abu ghraib ? those soldiers are being punished for what they did and we all know that. these pics do nothing but make things worse. You make it sound like all the troops partake in these things when you know goddamn well they dont. Nobody died so quit making this shit up Pinko.

if you seriously think we put neck braces on these guys before kicking the shit out of them I don't know what to tell you.

Do your own research. I did.

Like the Contras?

Have you even heard about those guys?

They make Al-Quaeda look like a bunch of pussies.

Dropping pregnant women out of helicopters into villages, torture you can't imagine, burning people alive in front of their families, killing babies and displaying their bodies...

Here's a story about these guys...and I can provide a source if you want, its not propaganda, as hard to believe as it seems

The men had left the village. Only the women and children were left. The Contras came, went into a house and raped and killed everybody there. They went on to cut the heads off their victims. Even the young baby. 8 people, all young or women.

They set the table with fine silverware and plates, and placed the bodies around the table, with the heads on the plates. And the hands on top of the heads. They couldn't get the babies hands to stay on its head, so they used nails. The cups and bowls were filled with blood.

That scene was left for the men to come back to.

The Contras were directly funded by the US Congress.

Trained right here in the USA.




I guarantee the info in the memo is a tiny part of the story.

Please tell me wtf this has to do with us now.See this what Im talking about You and Space Boy always refer to shit that happened 30.50, or 100 yrs ago.

Sludge Factory

prfctlefts wrote:

Commy wrote:

Torture away.

Just know that every man tortured in a cell in some dungeon ...every time that happens, it gives the forces fighting US troops a reason to fight. A perfectly good reason to fight.

And that list about waterboarding and walling, released by the Obama administration is bullshit.

Torture is torture. They don't put a neck brace on a guy before they slam him into a wall...that is the stupidest thing i have ever heard...they sodomize people with nightsticks...they beat them senseless, they electrocute them, sometimes they die. Broken bones, cuts, broken jaws, broken teeth. its not regulated like they would have you believe with the release of the information. and lot of guys are literally tortured to death.




Here's torture, and i'm betting not many people here have seen the following pictures.

They are all very disturbing.

http://www.clintonfein.com/torture/imag ... -large.jpg


New from Abu Ghraib-

http://www.informationclearinghouse.inf ... raib_4.jpg
http://www.informationclearinghouse.inf ... hraib6.jpg
http://www.informationclearinghouse.inf ... x375,0.jpg


And probably the most disturbing
http://www.antiwar.com/photos/perm/ag20.jpg

yes that's blood, a lot of blood. And yes those are drag marks from the body they pulled out of the cell. The guy didn't survive that session.

how do you know it's bullshit ? did you get briefed on it by the white house? :roll: Abu ghraib ? those soldiers are being punished for what they did and we all know that. these pics do nothing but make things worse. You make it sound like all the troops partake in these things when you know goddamn well they dont. Nobody died so quit making this shit up Pinko.

Lol, did you forget about all the memos being released that authorized these soldiers that are being punished for what they did. The orders came from the top and you completely seem to forget that.

Commy

prfctlefts wrote:

Please tell me wtf this has to do with us now.See this what Im talking about You and Space Boy always refer to shit that happened 30.50, or 100 yrs ago.

right.



First a war on "terrorism".

Then it was war on "drugs".

Now its war on "terrorism"

Or a war to "liberate" a country. (much like Hitler "liberated" Poland)



Same school different class.


Its always a war on something. And people have such a short memory the US keeps getting away with it.

If more people knew their history, Washington would have a hard time getting involved in third world country every few years.

The goal is always the same, whatever the excuse.


Resources and control.


Why do you think Chavez is a threat? Or Cuba? They are using the resources of their countries to benefit their people, not some foreign corporation. The threat is independence, is in their ability to provide examples to others on how to operate outside of US influence. Resources that benefit the people of the region and not some few individuals? what a concept.

Can't have that.

Why do you think the US has over 700 military bases around the world? Its called empire. And its growing.

But we need to know our history to understand any of that.

So that's why i was bringing things that happened 30 years ago. Because nothing has changed. Still torturing, raping and killing innocent people in the name of liberty or justice or freedom or whatever.

Commy

Sludge Factory wrote:

Lol, did you forget about all the memos being released that authorized these soldiers that are being punished for what they did. The orders came from the top and you completely seem to forget that.

no.


that's the point. its not a few douchebags running around, its policy from Washington.

the douchebag in the abu ghraib abuses had orders. only him. granger or whateve his name is. Its why they refuse to allow him to be interviewed, even today. I've seen interviews with everyone else involved. they had no idea what he was doing at first, but saw he obviously had a plan. he had orders. specific orders. and he was following them

the CIA probably gave the orders, but they are all free to do it again next war.


the rest sit in prison (most of them rightfully so). the soldier who took most of the photos had very little to do with any of the abuse, but she was charged with destruction of a crime scene -she moved a dead guys bandages that were applied post mortem to take a photo. ? the "crime scene" had already been changed, when they put bandages on an already dead guy. and some other equally bs charge. 10 years she got, for taking pictures. something like that.

Sludge Factory

Commy wrote:

Sludge Factory wrote:

Lol, did you forget about all the memos being released that authorized these soldiers that are being punished for what they did. The orders came from the top and you completely seem to forget that.

no.


that's the point. its not a few douchebags running around, its policy from Washington.

the douchebag in the abu ghraib abuses had orders. only him. granger or whateve his name is. Its why they refuse to allow him to be interviewed, even today. I've seen interviews with everyone else involved. they had no idea what he was doing at first, but saw he obviously had a plan. he had orders. specific orders. and he was following them

the CIA probably gave the orders, but they are all free to do it again next war.


the rest sit in prison (most of them rightfully so). the soldier who took most of the photos had very little to do with any of the abuse, but she was charged with destruction of a crime scene -she moved a dead guys bandages that were applied post mortem to take a photo. ? the "crime scene" had already been changed, when they put bandages on an already dead guy. and some other equally bs charge. 10 years she got, for taking pictures. something like that.

What? That's kind of what I was referring to. I'm a bit confused as to why you are saying "no" there.

Commy

Sludge Factory wrote:

What? That's kind of what I was referring to. I'm a bit confused as to why you are saying "no" there.

sorry, i have poor reading comprehension sometimes.

i thought you were suggesting i was saying that it was a few bad apples, not policy, but i was confused, which happens.


you are right, its policy that allows this, not some random bad apples.

carry on.

Sludge Factory

Commy wrote:

Sludge Factory wrote:

What? That's kind of what I was referring to. I'm a bit confused as to why you are saying "no" there.

sorry, i have poor reading comprehension sometimes.

i thought you were suggesting i was saying that it was a few bad apples, not policy, but i was confused, which happens.


you are right, its policy that allows this, not some random bad apples.

carry on.

Well, to be fair, my statement could probably use some rewording to make more sense.

Sludge Factory

Reading through these lists:

http://wikileaks.org/wiki/US_Justice_to ... 0_May_2005

http://wikileaks.org/wiki/US_Justice_to ... 0_May_2005

http://wikileaks.org/wiki/US_Justice_to ... 0_May_2005

http://wikileaks.org/wiki/US_Justice_to ... 1_Aug_2002

sure sounds like torture to me. Some of it sounds even worse than the popular water boarding.

Commy

prfctlefts wrote:

Nobody died so quit making this shit up Pinko.

http://hi-octanecreative.com/__GNN/Sabr ... ctim.jpgok

-US soldier, posing with torture victim. He is dead.

Commy

Sludge Factory wrote:

Reading through these lists:

http://wikileaks.org/wiki/US_Justice_to ... 0_May_2005

http://wikileaks.org/wiki/US_Justice_to ... 0_May_2005

http://wikileaks.org/wiki/US_Justice_to ... 0_May_2005

http://wikileaks.org/wiki/US_Justice_to ... 1_Aug_2002

sure sounds like torture to me. Some of it sounds even worse than the popular water boarding.

# Dietary manipulation


I don't even want to know what that is.

Sludge Factory

Commy wrote:

Sludge Factory wrote:

Reading through these lists:

http://wikileaks.org/wiki/US_Justice_to ... 0_May_2005

http://wikileaks.org/wiki/US_Justice_to ... 0_May_2005

http://wikileaks.org/wiki/US_Justice_to ... 0_May_2005

http://wikileaks.org/wiki/US_Justice_to ... 1_Aug_2002

sure sounds like torture to me. Some of it sounds even worse than the popular water boarding.

# Dietary manipulation


I don't even want to know what that is.

I don't know offhand or want to know either...I'd imagine it isn't very nutritional.