Cheney - shut up or take the witness stand

puremagic

We don't need any more memos, if you are so proud and positive that the torture of prisoners saved America, then get your ass on a witness stand and let America know what you did to save our ungrateful asses.

If you thought your program of torture was needed, then why the hell did you allow the prosecution, incarceration and dishonorable discharge of the soldiers of Abu Ghraib prison?

Weren't these soldiers 'just following orders' like the CIA interrogators? Didn't these soldiers deserve to have their military honor protected.

Why didn't you call for a pardon for these soldiers so that their military honor could be restored, like you did for that traitor 'Scooter' who sold out a CIA operative (go figure).

Why didn't you speak up for these soldiers, if your torture program was legal?

CJMST3K

I don't know if naked stacking of prisoners was what they were asked to do.

Kinda like people who slaughter chickens... if you stick you finger inside a chicken to torture it, that's a fire-able offense. Killing the chicken though is not a fire-able offense, since that's the job, even though that is worse.

Anon

I have no problem with people like Khalid Sheikh Mohammed being tortured.

CJMST3K

JB811 wrote:

I have no problem with people like Khalid Sheikh Mohammed being tortured.

holy shit - I love your avatar!

WaveCameCrashin

I hope he gets on the stand to so all you far left kooks will see that we did get valuable Intel that saved american lives. But it's obvious that most of you could care less cos it's all about ideology and politics

Commy

prfctlefts wrote:

I hope he gets on the stand to so all you far left kooks will see that we did get valuable Intel that saved american lives. But it's obvious that most of you could care less cos it's all about ideology and politics

you think the guys fighting US troops think about what it means to surrender?

Like say a guy had a choice to surrender or die fighting...

But he knows if he surrenders he'll probably be tortured , so chooses to keep fighting to the death.

how many Americans would have been saved if that guy just surrendered? 1? 5? 10?

who knows.


Saving lives? maybe not.




this is insane. The US has invaded IRAQ. WE invaded IRAQ

OF course they are trying to kill our troops. its called defending your country you dumb mother fuckers.
What if Iraqi troops were now occupying the US and were running around torturing all the patriots trying to find the militia hideouts?

would you defend the torture then? They are trying to save lives. right?

right?


you are all insane.



What in the fuck.







Cheney should spend the rest of his life in prison. along with every other scumbag from that administration.

Commy

JB811 wrote:

I have no problem with people like Khalid Sheikh Mohammed being tortured.

yeah. good idea.


maybe they won't decide next year that you are I are terrorists too (fingers crossed).

no evidence. no trial. no judge. no jury.



give them the power to torture but don't get on their bad side i guess.

WaveCameCrashin

Commy wrote:

prfctlefts wrote:

I hope he gets on the stand to so all you far left kooks will see that we did get valuable Intel that saved american lives. But it's obvious that most of you could care less cos it's all about ideology and politics

you think the guys fighting US troops think about what it means to surrender?

Like say a guy had a choice to surrender or die fighting...

But he knows if he surrenders he'll probably be tortured , so chooses to keep fighting to the death.

how many Americans would have been saved if that guy just surrendered? 1? 5? 10?

who knows.


Saving lives? maybe not.




this is insane. The US has invaded IRAQ. WE invaded IRAQ

OF course they are trying to kill our troops. its called defending your country you dumb mother fuckers.
What if Iraqi troops were now occupying the US and were running around torturing all the patriots trying to find the militia hideouts?

would you defend the torture then? They are trying to save lives. right?

right?


you are all insane.



What in the fuck.







Cheney should spend the rest of his life in prison. along with every other scumbag from that administration.

the only dumb mother fucker around here is you. You fckin pinko. You don't have a clue. The people you want to put in prison kept your stupid ass safe for the past 8 years. But guess what? since your boy Obama declassified all the memos now we will get hit again and then maybe you will get your head out of your ass and you'll see things for what they really are

Commy

prfctlefts wrote:

the only dumb mother fucker around here is you. You fckin pinko. You don't have a clue. The people you want to put in prison kept your stupid ass safe for the past 8 years. But guess what? since your boy Obama declassified all the memos now we will get hit again and then maybe you will get your head out of your ass and you'll see things for what they really are

How did killing hundred of thousands of innocent Iraqi's keep me safe?

Serious question.


Obama's not my boy. There are more positions than democrat or republican.

keeponrockin

prfctlefts wrote:

I hope he gets on the stand to so all you far left kooks will see that we did get valuable Intel that saved american lives. But it's obvious that most of you could care less cos it's all about ideology and politics

It is about ideology. We're the Americans. We are not supposed to torture. The second we torture, we condone torturing of ANYBODY, including American troops. Once we torture, we are no better than those who torture us.

WaveCameCrashin

Its called war commy and Innocent people get killed it happens . I wish It didn't but it does. and if you want to lock these people up for war crimes then we should have locked up Truman, Lincoln(he abolished habeas corpus during the civil war) Patton, and all the others . and what about Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Did you forget about Pearl harbour . these are just points Im trying to make .Why dont you go ask the Kurds in the Northern part of Iraq what they think about us being there. We all know the bush admin. made a shit load of mistakes there's no disputing that but there are in every war.

Commy

prfctlefts wrote:

Its called war commy and Innocent people get killed it happens . I wish It didn't but it does. and if you want to lock these people up for war crimes then we should have locked up Truman, Lincoln(he abolished habeas corpus during the civil war) Patton, and all the others . and what about Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Did you forget about Pearl harbour . these are just points Im trying to make .Why dont you go ask the Kurds in the Northern part of Iraq what they think about us being there. We all know the bush admin. made a shit load of mistakes there's no disputing that but there are in every war.

I agree. Innocent people die in war. that's the problem with war.

In WW1, for every 10 soldiers killed, 1 civilian died.

And on to today.,

Where for every soldier killed, 10 civilians are killed.


That's with precision guided bombs and the "great care" they take to avoid civilian casualties.


what's the current reason for invading Iraq these days? Did we bring freedom? Kill Saddam? Save them from Al-Quaeda? WMD's? I don't know because the excuse given for killing hundreds of thousands of innocent people changes every goddamn day.





And no, dropping atomic weapons on Japan had nothing to do with winning the war. The war was already over. It was a political move, the first act of the cold war.

Or the fire bombing Dresden in Germany that killed 250,000 people, mostly civilians, and some American POW's. It had nothing to do with winning the war;.


war should be the last resort...



But the US has been declining lately as a political power in the world, and as an economic power, so have been much more willing to rely on the troops to get their way, to rely on force, where its guaranteed they will have the upper hand..

Anon

Commy wrote:

JB811 wrote:

I have no problem with people like Khalid Sheikh Mohammed being tortured.

yeah. good idea.


maybe they won't decide next year that you are I are terrorists too (fingers crossed).

no evidence. no trial. no judge. no jury.



give them the power to torture but don't get on their bad side i guess.

I didn't plan the flying of large aircraft into buildings killings thousands of Americans. Nor am I going to. So lose a little of the drama, will you?

WaveCameCrashin

JB811 wrote:

I have no problem with people like Khalid Sheikh Mohammed being tortured.

Isn't it fucked up how these people would kill any of us and our families yet we got people like Pinko and space boy sticking up for them. :?

Anon

Yes it is. They would do it without thinking twice too and I'd rather be a survivor. How many times would it take for some of these people to realize that?

They should go talk to Marianne Pearl and families of the 9/11 victims, I'm guessing they would look like fools trying to explain their case that terrorists like KSM deserve better.

little known fact: We hand out Qurans at Guantanamo that are in little ziplocks so they aren't touched by us 'infidels'. Pathetic.

flywallyfly

prfctlefts wrote:

JB811 wrote:

I have no problem with people like Khalid Sheikh Mohammed being tortured.

Isn't it fucked up how these people would kill any of us and our families yet we got people like Pinko and space boy sticking up for them. :?

He is sticking up for the principles this nation is supposed to be based on but that is beyond you because you would have to use reasoning instead of anger to understand this.

Commy

JB811 wrote:

little known fact: We hand out Qurans at Guantanamo that are in little ziplocks so they aren't touched by us 'infidels'. Pathetic.

Yeah, respecting culture. Just imagine the repercussions.

Commy

How do you know which guys have intel?


Because I"m pretty sure not every single one of them knows something about plans/attacks.

Which means some of these guys are being tortured for no good reason.


A nation of laws (that's us right?) should uphold the law even when its not convenient.

youngster

prfctlefts wrote:

the only dumb mother fucker around here is you. You fckin pinko. You don't have a clue. The people you want to put in prison kept your stupid ass safe for the past 8 years. But guess what? since your boy Obama declassified all the memos now we will get hit again and then maybe you will get your head out of your ass and you'll see things for what they really are

Actually, if my math is correct, 9/11 happened seven and a half years ago during the Bush administration. So, how safe did they REALLY keep us? But i'm sure you're going to respond that it was all Clinton's fault, right? Yep, and if we get hit again while Obama is pres, we can blame it on Bush for all the fuckups in his 8 year reign.

WaveCameCrashin

cropduster82 wrote:

prfctlefts wrote:

the only dumb mother fucker around here is you. You fckin pinko. You don't have a clue. The people you want to put in prison kept your stupid ass safe for the past 8 years. But guess what? since your boy Obama declassified all the memos now we will get hit again and then maybe you will get your head out of your ass and you'll see things for what they really are

Actually, if my math is correct, 9/11 happened seven and a half years ago during the Bush administration. So, how safe did they REALLY keep us? But i'm sure you're going to respond that it was all Clinton's fault, right? Yep, and if we get hit again while Obama is pres, we can blame it on Bush for all the fuckups in his 8 year reign.

There's plenty of blame to go around but most of the failed Intel happened on Clinton's watch. not to mention He had several attempts to take out Bin Laden Ist world trade center bombing , the USS Cole , Tanzania. all happened on Clinton's watch which led up to 911

youngster

prfctlefts wrote:

cropduster82 wrote:

prfctlefts wrote:

the only dumb mother fucker around here is you. You fckin pinko. You don't have a clue. The people you want to put in prison kept your stupid ass safe for the past 8 years. But guess what? since your boy Obama declassified all the memos now we will get hit again and then maybe you will get your head out of your ass and you'll see things for what they really are

Actually, if my math is correct, 9/11 happened seven and a half years ago during the Bush administration. So, how safe did they REALLY keep us? But i'm sure you're going to respond that it was all Clinton's fault, right? Yep, and if we get hit again while Obama is pres, we can blame it on Bush for all the fuckups in his 8 year reign.

There's plenty of blame to go around but most of the failed Intel happened on Clinton's watch. not to mention He had several attempts to take out Bin Laden Ist world trade center bombing , the USS Cole , Tanzania. all happened on Clinton's watch which led up to 911

Look, we can go back and forth. Bottom line is no matter who is president, Democrat or Republican, there will always be groups of people out there who will try to kill us or bring our country down. Unfortunately, people will ultimately just point the blame to Washington and our leaders as opposed to the groups responsible.