The bootlegs SUCK

soulsinging

broloco wrote:

non-entity wrote:

That's a good point. Matt didn't speed up the songs in 98, 00, or 03. I don't know what the deal is since, but the tempo has been doubled on a lot of songs and it makes it sound like they're just going through the motions. I don't know who is responsible, but I wish it would stop. It's also killing Ed's singing, he can't keep up at that pace and his voice ends up sounding ragged, like all his energy is going into just getting all the words in.

yeah, Ed should stop smoking!!! it's getting him out of breath!

I don't think Lance Armstrong would have the wind to keep up with Even Flow the way they play it now.

captainwisejam

Ever think they are trying to cram as many songs as possible into their set because of venue curfews and peoples setlist obsession? Maybe they are trying to please everyone.

I would rather see 20 songs played well, slowed down and jammed out a little bit than 30+ speedy versions of songs like corduroy,solat and betterman.
But that's just me.

hopethatuchoke

The real question is....why do we keep going to shows if we hate how the songs sound? (myself included)

I completely agree....the sped up songs sound like shit. It's painful seeing how great they and the drums sounded back in the day (Check out the Dave A. YouTube videos)

UpSideDown

state of love and trust from drop in the park is just as fast as they play it nowadays.

There are certain boots from 2003 that I don't like to listen to, just becuase the overall sound is muddy. One of the MSG shows comes to mind.

demetrios

'05 bootlegs were pretty cool. if there is a way we can get those released by 10club via flac or cd style ...

patrickredeyes

I pretty much only listen to 2003 shows. I agree they sound the best.

youngster

I find it funny all the bitching about how the boots suck and the songs are played too fast and the band is kinda out of touch compared to 10 years ago.


Yet..........



When PJ announces the next tour, all of you will be lining up with loads of $$$$$$$$$ ready to snatch up as many tickets to as many shows as you can get.


It's just funny to me.

patrickredeyes

cropduster82 wrote:

I find it funny all the bitching about how the boots suck and the songs are played too fast and the band is kinda out of touch compared to 10 years ago.


Yet..........



When PJ announces the next tour, all of you will be lining up with loads of $$$$$$$$$ ready to snatch up as many tickets to as many shows as you can get.


It's just funny to me.

Nope not me. I just want Alpine Valley baby.

100 Pacer

soulsinging wrote:

Cleveland 2003... one of the most underrated PJ shows ever.

when you're right, you're right,...

patrickredeyes

100 Pacer wrote:

Cleveland 2003... one of the most underrated PJ shows ever.

Along with Alpine Valley.


Sorry I'm listening to it right now so my thoughts are all about it.

parintachin73

I'm glad someone started this thread. I've felt like the boots have been on a steady decline since 03. The Canada 05 ones were alright, the 06 were mediocre at best, and last years were terrible in my opinion. I went to 4 shows on last year's tour and none of the boots did any of these shows justice.

G Force

non-entity wrote:

really hard for me to want to listen to any shows past 2003.

I always blamed Matt, but after Ed's solo tour and how fast he played "Sometimes" I think he may be to blame as well. too bad. Even Flow used to be a great, groovy song. Corduroy has been destroyed.

I still blame Matt for playing way too heavy on the soft stuff. he should go back and listen to Dave or Jack play Black, Indifference, Off He Goes, etc.

I agree. For me the big difference comes in the drumming style.

josevolution

Well i just listened to SAN FRANSISCO 06 & SAN DIEGO 06 they sound pretty awsome to me specially Present Tense from frisco that version might be the best i've listened to ....

decides2dream

i am one of those people who only buys boots for shows i attended. i think that *personal connection* colors my view overall, b/c i am remembering/reliving the *experience* not just listening to a boot. i do overall agree about the sound quality and they most definitely could be mixed better. they DO play sooo much faster, no idea why....but i am not really one to critique that per se. for me, it's all about reliving the shows. i also am not a crazed boot fanatic, period. i get em all for shows i attnded, but i don't listen to them that much. when i am in the right mood, i choose a show and listen in it's entirety. it's my process. :P

Cosmo

soulsinging wrote:

...The band also seems to be downhill since this tour. Corduroy sounds normal, played at usual speed. Then suddenly in 2006 they start playing it (and half their catalogue) twice as fast. What gives?

...
Maybe Matt needs to back off on the pre-show coffee... have a beer or two instead.

Smellyman

Everyone like to blame Matt but it is not him speeding up the songs.

Songs mostly complained about are the songs where the guitar sets the tempo. Matt is just keeping up

SOLAT
GTF
Lukin
Corduroy
Save You
Green Disease

Cosmo

Smellyman wrote:

Everyone like to blame Matt but it is not him speeding up the songs.

Songs mostly complained about are the songs where the guitar sets the tempo. Matt is just keeping up

SOLAT
GTF
Lukin
Corduroy
Save You
Green Disease

...
I always figured that the drums were the metronome.

PJ Fan est. 1990

i think we all agree that pre 2K PJ was a lot better overall...but what i predict is that with the re-release kind of taking the band back to the good 'ole days and with them finally finishing brother that this next album will sound at the very least more No Code/Yield-esque...and the tour may be reminiscent of older PJ

SomethingCreative

I hate to break it to you guys but...

THEY AREN'T PLAYING SHOWS JUST TO MAKE FUCKING BOOTLEGS.


A lot of the shit brought up in this thread are things that just don't really matter when you're there in he room with the greatest live band of our time.

broloco

cropduster82 wrote:

I find it funny all the bitching about how the boots suck and the songs are played too fast and the band is kinda out of touch compared to 10 years ago.


Yet..........



When PJ announces the next tour, all of you will be lining up with loads of $$$$$$$$$ ready to snatch up as many tickets to as many shows as you can get.


It's just funny to me.

ha. I think we're all just romantic hopefuls!