The bootlegs SUCK

soulsinging

since 2003. I'm listening to an 03 boot and it sounds fucking incredible! There's a bass guitar! Holy shit!

The band also seems to be downhill since this tour. Corduroy sounds normal, played at usual speed. Then suddenly in 2006 they start playing it (and half their catalogue) twice as fast. What gives?

Cleveland 2003... one of the most underrated PJ shows ever. Even better than State College imho.

jimbojones1138

i think they've picked up there pace a lot since 2000... listen to even flow off of one of the spain shows from 00, it sounds nice and slow... by the end of the tour it picked up pace... dont know if thats cause they are trying to fit more songs into a set or what

Vedd Hedd

I would tend to agree.

I thought they played their songs way too fast this past tour, and the boots were definitely missing some sounds.

I know they gotta be tired of playing Even Flow, Corduroy, etc over and over and over again, so maybe they challenge themselves a bit by playing it faster. Or just to get through it.

But I would prefer them somewhat closer to the studio versions.

soulsinging

Vedd Hedd wrote:

I would tend to agree.

I thought they played their songs way too fast this past tour, and the boots were definitely missing some sounds.

I know they gotta be tired of playing Even Flow, Corduroy, etc over and over and over again, so maybe they challenge themselves a bit by playing it faster. Or just to get through it.

But I would prefer them somewhat closer to the studio versions.

Just to get through it is honestly what it sounds like to me.

In any event, whoever mixed these 03 boots needs to be brought back. The Gorge box set sounds like a bad joke compared to this. Even Flow is on now and it's kicking fuckin ass... Mike wailing, the band taking their time and jamming it out. This is the live PJ I know and love!

given2fly23

really hard for me to want to listen to any shows past 2003.

I always blamed Matt, but after Ed's solo tour and how fast he played "Sometimes" I think he may be to blame as well. too bad. Even Flow used to be a great, groovy song. Corduroy has been destroyed.

I still blame Matt for playing way too heavy on the soft stuff. he should go back and listen to Dave or Jack play Black, Indifference, Off He Goes, etc.

OffMeGoes

CLEVELAND 2003!!!!! How good is Patriot from that show?? You are right, that show was just awesome.......I thought Pittsburgh the next night was pretty underrated too for the Riot Act tour......"Steal Town on a Saturday night, I got Steal Pipes for singing" Or something like that.....

mca47

non-entity wrote:

really hard for me to want to listen to any shows past 2003.

I always blamed Matt, but after Ed's solo tour and how fast he played "Sometimes" I think he may be to blame as well. too bad. Even Flow used to be a great, groovy song. Corduroy has been destroyed.

I still blame Matt for playing way too heavy on the soft stuff. he should go back and listen to Dave or Jack play Black, Indifference, Off He Goes, etc.

It's just the way they play them now. You can't blame Matt for playing fast or even "heavy". The songs you mentioned were played very differently by Matt in '00 and even parts of '03. If I had to bet, I'd say the band playing all of those songs that fast is mostly due to Ed.

Anyways, I agree with the thread topic. Songs are being played waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too fast anymore.
SOLAT on the Italian tour DVD is horrific. It's a pretty fast song to begin with but that version it seemed like they were playing it to a) see how fast they could or b) to get it out of the way for another song.

pjalive21

this is a great thread by the way.....

ive noticed all this too that they have sped everything way up and some of the songs tend to suffer because of this...2003 was definitely the year for boots but i still have a love affair with my St. Louis 1998 boot, the band just sounded raw and ready to go

soulsinging

pjalive21 wrote:

this is a great thread by the way.....

ive noticed all this too that they have sped everything way up and some of the songs tend to suffer because of this...2003 was definitely the year for boots but i still have a love affair with my St. Louis 1998 boot, the band just sounded raw and ready to go

98 was a great tour. I saw my first show on that tour. They were amazingly tight, considering they were playing with a brand new drummer.

soulsinging

mca47 wrote:

non-entity wrote:

really hard for me to want to listen to any shows past 2003.

I always blamed Matt, but after Ed's solo tour and how fast he played "Sometimes" I think he may be to blame as well. too bad. Even Flow used to be a great, groovy song. Corduroy has been destroyed.

I still blame Matt for playing way too heavy on the soft stuff. he should go back and listen to Dave or Jack play Black, Indifference, Off He Goes, etc.

It's just the way they play them now. You can't blame Matt for playing fast or even "heavy". The songs you mentioned were played very differently by Matt in '00 and even parts of '03. If I had to bet, I'd say the band playing all of those songs that fast is mostly due to Ed.

Anyways, I agree with the thread topic. Songs are being played waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too fast anymore.
SOLAT on the Italian tour DVD is horrific. It's a pretty fast song to begin with but that version it seemed like they were playing it to a) see how fast they could or b) to get it out of the way for another song.

That's a good point. Matt didn't speed up the songs in 98, 00, or 03. I don't know what the deal is since, but the tempo has been doubled on a lot of songs and it makes it sound like they're just going through the motions. I don't know who is responsible, but I wish it would stop. It's also killing Ed's singing, he can't keep up at that pace and his voice ends up sounding ragged, like all his energy is going into just getting all the words in.

josevolution

I have to agree i can't listen to any boots from the last two tours, good set list don't = great sound ...

fanch75

I feel so robbed that I didn't see the YIELD tour. Man.

redeye

nice thread, and have to agree, solat has been destroyed live, just doesnt sound right so fast,
the groove of the songs gets lost, even unofficial boots stand up better than anything after 03...

drsluggo

fanch75 wrote:

I feel so robbed that I didn't see the YIELD tour. Man.

I just wish I had money then to go to more shows. Luckily they did two at Alpine and one Chicago so doing 3 was nice, but I wish I could have expanded a bit more into the other surrounding states. Those were amazing shows, and a good handful of songs from that tour never really came back into regular rotation in shows.

soulsinging

fanch75 wrote:

I feel so robbed that I didn't see the YIELD tour. Man.

That feels like something wrong with the universe. Like in the movie Dogma, where the angels would prove God wrong and negate existence... fanch not seeing a Yield show is kinda like that.

Zoso

I agree with the 2008, 2006 and 2005 bootlegs sounding average but at the end of the day that's all they are; bootlegs.

anyway as for the other topic on this thread. I agree obviously that everything has gotten faster (even the new harder songs are fast songs... big wave, save you, life wasted, severed hand, get right, green disease etc.).. I would love them to slow down even flow and severed hand for the next tour...Also yes SOLAT is too fast nowadays.

in saying this every bands catalogue changes slightly over time without noticing... I mean Led Zeppelin changed pretty much everything slightly by the end of their reign.

Jennytree

I quite like the faster versions :roll:

soulsinging

Vedderwt wrote:

CLEVELAND 2003!!!!! How good is Patriot from that show?? You are right, that show was just awesome.......I thought Pittsburgh the next night was pretty underrated too for the Riot Act tour......"Steal Town on a Saturday night, I got Steal Pipes for singing" Or something like that.....

It is good. I think even the band acknowledged that... they scrapped the setlist about 6 songs in and re-did it because the crowd was so into everything. Mind-blowing version of Present Tense and without doubt, the best version of Alive I have ever heard. Even my buddy (only a casual fan, and we were in literally the last row of the upper deck on the side), after Alive turned to me and said "that was fucking nuts man!"

soulsinging

Jennytree wrote:

I quite like the faster versions :roll:

You probably like punk music too

And Zoso, I'll grant you that, but I think the changes are a bit more than slight. There are a dozen songs or so that are dramatically faster for no apparent reason. It's not like reworking Garden or Jeremy, which is one thing, or an added unique jam like the Even Flow drum solo. It's just twice as fast for no apparent reason. I actually wonder if they're even conscious of it?

rival.

spot on... anything past 2003 sounds pretty awful, and although i own a few boots from '06 & '08, they are rarely played.

the boots i listen to the most are from the 2000 european tour.

broloco

non-entity wrote:

That's a good point. Matt didn't speed up the songs in 98, 00, or 03. I don't know what the deal is since, but the tempo has been doubled on a lot of songs and it makes it sound like they're just going through the motions. I don't know who is responsible, but I wish it would stop. It's also killing Ed's singing, he can't keep up at that pace and his voice ends up sounding ragged, like all his energy is going into just getting all the words in.

yeah, Ed should stop smoking!!! it's getting him out of breath!

soulsinging

broloco wrote:

non-entity wrote:

That's a good point. Matt didn't speed up the songs in 98, 00, or 03. I don't know what the deal is since, but the tempo has been doubled on a lot of songs and it makes it sound like they're just going through the motions. I don't know who is responsible, but I wish it would stop. It's also killing Ed's singing, he can't keep up at that pace and his voice ends up sounding ragged, like all his energy is going into just getting all the words in.

yeah, Ed should stop smoking!!! it's getting him out of breath!

I don't think Lance Armstrong would have the wind to keep up with Even Flow the way they play it now.

captainwisejam

Ever think they are trying to cram as many songs as possible into their set because of venue curfews and peoples setlist obsession? Maybe they are trying to please everyone.

I would rather see 20 songs played well, slowed down and jammed out a little bit than 30+ speedy versions of songs like corduroy,solat and betterman.
But that's just me.

hopethatuchoke

The real question is....why do we keep going to shows if we hate how the songs sound? (myself included)

I completely agree....the sped up songs sound like shit. It's painful seeing how great they and the drums sounded back in the day (Check out the Dave A. YouTube videos)

UpSideDown

state of love and trust from drop in the park is just as fast as they play it nowadays.

There are certain boots from 2003 that I don't like to listen to, just becuase the overall sound is muddy. One of the MSG shows comes to mind.

demetrios

'05 bootlegs were pretty cool. if there is a way we can get those released by 10club via flac or cd style ...

patrickredeyes

I pretty much only listen to 2003 shows. I agree they sound the best.

youngster

I find it funny all the bitching about how the boots suck and the songs are played too fast and the band is kinda out of touch compared to 10 years ago.


Yet..........



When PJ announces the next tour, all of you will be lining up with loads of $$$$$$$$$ ready to snatch up as many tickets to as many shows as you can get.


It's just funny to me.

patrickredeyes

cropduster82 wrote:

I find it funny all the bitching about how the boots suck and the songs are played too fast and the band is kinda out of touch compared to 10 years ago.


Yet..........



When PJ announces the next tour, all of you will be lining up with loads of $$$$$$$$$ ready to snatch up as many tickets to as many shows as you can get.


It's just funny to me.

Nope not me. I just want Alpine Valley baby.

100 Pacer

soulsinging wrote:

Cleveland 2003... one of the most underrated PJ shows ever.

when you're right, you're right,...

patrickredeyes

100 Pacer wrote:

Cleveland 2003... one of the most underrated PJ shows ever.

Along with Alpine Valley.


Sorry I'm listening to it right now so my thoughts are all about it.