another death penalty topic

mickeyrat

Byrnzie wrote:

mickeyrat wrote:

Byrnzie wrote:

"For there to be equivalence, the death penalty would have to punish a criminal who had warned his victim of the date at which he would inflict a horrible death on him and who, from that moment onward, had confined him to his mercy for months. Such a monster is not encountered in private life."

Do the Chinese still put a bullet to the back of the head with no warning? Seems the way to do it to me. Didn't the soviets/russians do this too?

As far as I know, yes. A bullet in the back of the head is still the way they do it here. And I heard that their organs are sold to the highest bidder.

Hmmm. Money to the state or to the victims family?

Byrnzie

mickeyrat wrote:

Do the Chinese still put a bullet to the back of the head with no warning? Seems the way to do it to me. Didn't the soviets/russians do this too?

Byrnzie wrote:

As far as I know, yes. A bullet in the back of the head is still the way they do it here. And I heard that their organs are sold to the highest bidder.

mickeyrat wrote:

Hmmm. Money to the state or to the victims family?

What do you think?

mickeyrat

Byrnzie wrote:

mickeyrat wrote:

Do the Chinese still put a bullet to the back of the head with no warning? Seems the way to do it to me. Didn't the soviets/russians do this too?

Byrnzie wrote:

As far as I know, yes. A bullet in the back of the head is still the way they do it here. And I heard that their organs are sold to the highest bidder.

mickeyrat wrote:

Hmmm. Money to the state or to the victims family?

What do you think?

Well one CAN hope can't they?

NoK

Byrnzie wrote:

As far as I know, yes. A bullet in the back of the head is still the way they do it here. And I heard that their organs are sold to the highest bidder.

There was a Chinese car company that manufactured a "mobile death unit" and sold many of them to the Chinese government. Apparently they execute the inmate as the car is travelling to the cemetery and they bury him/her straight after its done. The government says its much cheaper this way.

Many people are suspicious of this and believe they are implementing it to make it easier for the state to harvest the inmates organs (considering they are buried directly after execution).

Commy

NoK wrote:

Byrnzie wrote:

As far as I know, yes. A bullet in the back of the head is still the way they do it here. And I heard that their organs are sold to the highest bidder.

There was a Chinese car company that manufactured a "mobile death unit" and sold many of them to the Chinese government. Apparently they execute the inmate as the car is travelling to the cemetery and they bury him/her straight after its done. The government says its much cheaper this way.

Many people are suspicious of this and believe they are implementing it to make it easier for the state to harvest the inmates organs (considering they are buried directly after execution).

some were saying china bough over 10,000 of them. i don't know how accurate that is.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldne ... arket.html

NoK

Commy wrote:

NoK wrote:

Byrnzie wrote:

As far as I know, yes. A bullet in the back of the head is still the way they do it here. And I heard that their organs are sold to the highest bidder.

There was a Chinese car company that manufactured a "mobile death unit" and sold many of them to the Chinese government. Apparently they execute the inmate as the car is travelling to the cemetery and they bury him/her straight after its done. The government says its much cheaper this way.

Many people are suspicious of this and believe they are implementing it to make it easier for the state to harvest the inmates organs (considering they are buried directly after execution).

some were saying china bough over 10,000 of them. i don't know how accurate that is.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldne ... arket.html

How fucking wrong is that..

ajedigecko

Commy wrote:

NoK wrote:

Byrnzie wrote:

As far as I know, yes. A bullet in the back of the head is still the way they do it here. And I heard that their organs are sold to the highest bidder.

There was a Chinese car company that manufactured a "mobile death unit" and sold many of them to the Chinese government. Apparently they execute the inmate as the car is travelling to the cemetery and they bury him/her straight after its done. The government says its much cheaper this way.

Many people are suspicious of this and believe they are implementing it to make it easier for the state to harvest the inmates organs (considering they are buried directly after execution).

some were saying china bough over 10,000 of them. i don't know how accurate that is.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldne ... arket.html

that link caught me.....that is the type of deterrent i could see working. i am curious, what is the ratio of death penalty cases between china and usa.

Kel Varnsen

ajedigecko wrote:

Kel Varnsen wrote:

NoK wrote:

Death is a biological process (natural or not) everyone undergoes whether now or 50 years in the future. It isn't a punishment.

Thats sort of what I have always thought, a lifetime in a small solitary cell being completly alone with your own thoughts and nothing to pass the time would be a much worse punishment than being killed.

if that were the case and conditions.......i would support it. i just read that scott peterson only spends 19 hours in "worse conditions", i do not think that is long enough.

Really, thats how they do it in Canada (although not many people get that sentence). Paul Bernardo is locked in a cell by himself for 23 hours a day, although I believe he gets out for 1 hour a day for supervised exercise (by himself). Although I think he can get letters, which to me is too much.

ajedigecko

i agree also.......receiving letters is a priviledge. i think the guy can get the exercise he needs in the cell also.

in all honesty....i do not know how much time outside the cell is appropiate. tough call.

melodious

Kel Varnsen wrote:

NoK wrote:

Death is a biological process (natural or not) everyone undergoes whether now or 50 years in the future. It isn't a punishment.

Thats sort of what I have always thought, a lifetime in a small solitary cell being completly alone with your own thoughts and nothing to pass the time would be a much worse punishment than being killed.

Here is an article that discusses death penalty issue:

forgive me if you have already viewed:

The Cost of Capital Punishment

Death-penalty opponents are using a new argument for tough economic times: that capital punishment is too expensive

By Ian Urbina


Maryland Governor Martin O'Malley went to his state legislature in February and made an unconventional argument that is becoming increasingly popular in cash-strapped states: Abolish the death penalty to save money.

O'Malley, a Catholic who has cited religious opposition to the death penalty in the past, is now arguing that capital cases cost three times as much as homicide cases where the death penalty is not sought. "We can't afford that," he said, "when there are better and cheaper ways to reduce crime."

Lawmakers in Colorado, Kansas, Montana, Nebraska, and New Hampshire have made the same argument in recent months as they push bills seeking to repeal the death penalty.

And last month, New Mexico became the most recent state to abolish the death penalty. Its Governor, Bill Richardson, who signed the measure despite having been a longtime supporter of capital punishment, said that cost was a factor in his decision.

Death-penalty opponents, who have long focused on questions of morality or justice, say they are pleased to have allies raising the economic argument.

Thirty-five states have the death penalty on their books; 15 now ban it, including New Mexico and New Jersey, which abolished it in 2007.

Fewer Executions

Support among Americans for the death penalty seems to be fading. After years in which solid majorities supported capital punishment, a recent Gallup poll showed the nation about equally divided when life without parole is offered as an alternative.

The number of executions each year in the U.S. has dropped by more than half since its peak of 98 in 1999, to 37 in 2008. At the same time, the death penalty has come under increasing scrutiny. Exonerations of death-row inmates, based on DNA and other evidence, have led to charges that the death penalty is too severe—and final—a punishment.

The courts also have narrowed the death penalty's scope. In 2002, the Supreme Court ruled that executing the mentally retarded violates the 8th Amendment's ban on cruel and unusual punishment. In 2005, the Court decided in Roper v. Simmons that it was unconstitutional to execute anyone for crimes committed as a juvenile (defined as under the age of 18).

And now, economic realities are forcing even some supporters of the death penalty to rethink their positions. A 2008 study of Maryland by the Urban Institute concluded that because of appeals, it costs almost $2 million more for the state to put someone to death than it costs to put a person in prison, even for a life sentence.

Long Trials, More Lawyers

Capital cases are expensive because the trials tend to take longer, they typically require more lawyers and more-costly expert witnesses, and they are far more likely to lead to multiple appeals. Furthermore, in many states, death-row inmates often spend decades in prison before their appeals are exhausted.

But it doesn't have to be that way, says Kent Scheidegger of the Criminal Justice Legal Foundation, a victim's rights group.

"The cost of keeping a person on death row for 20 years is not a cost of the death penalty; it's a cost of the obstruction of the death penalty," Scheidegger says. "If cases went from trial to execution in five years, like they do in Virginia, that other 15 years of cost would be gone."

On average, it costs $23,000 a year to keep someone in prison, according to the Bureau of Justice Statistics. That number varies widely, depending on the state and the level of security of the prison. Death rows are among the most costly.

Scheidegger calls the anticipated savings from abolishing the death penalty a mirage. He says that having the death penalty on the books means prosecutors can offer life sentences in plea bargains and thus avoid trial costs altogether.

Opponents of repealing capital punishment also say it is short-sighted and will result in more crime and greater costs to states down the road. As police departments face budget cuts, the role of the death penalty in deterring crime is more important than ever, they say.

Scott Shellenberger, a prosecutor in Baltimore County, Md., puts it this way: "How do you put a price tag on crimes that don't happen because the threat of the death penalty deters them?"


taken from upfront.com, a cooperative effort between the NY Times and scholastic magazines...peace.

Byrnzie

ajedigecko wrote:

that link caught me.....that is the type of deterrent i could see working. i am curious, what is the ratio of death penalty cases between china and usa.

The death penalty doesn't work as a deterrent - it never has and it never will. And besides, if deterrence was the motivation then why aren't executions filmed and broadcast on national prime-time t.v?

Commy

the day i consent to capital punishment shoot me in the face.





you have got to be insane to give your government the power to kill its own citizens.

you'll never create a perfect justice system, eventually IT WILL BE USED AGAINST DISSENT.



notice how the greatest country in the history of the universe, ie the United States, has more people in prison than any other country in the world. and no, that's not per capita. which is fucked. its total. its a small step from incarcerating (which amounts to torture in maximum security jails) to executing.




They execute more minorities than whites as is, relatively, its obvious the system is corrupt.


And will always corrupt. no matter who sets it up and no matter who regulates it. it will always corrupt. power and corruption are part of the same package.