another death penalty topic
ajedigecko
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at times the death penalty is too humane....... for attaching an anchor to people and sending them into water.
........for putting children into suitcases and sending them into water.
just a heavy heart right now and needed to get it off of my mind with people who are opposed to the death penalty, since my family agrees with me.
........for putting children into suitcases and sending them into water.
just a heavy heart right now and needed to get it off of my mind with people who are opposed to the death penalty, since my family agrees with me.
live and let live...unless it violates the pearligious doctrine.
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with the current condition of US prisons, a life sentence is much worse than death.
i understand this topic will never end and the cyclical discussion with continue as well.........just saying. the older i become, i want justice, not law.
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Biology doesn't tell you to protect innocent life, your morals do. Taking into consideration natural selection and survival of the fittest, biology doesn't give a shit about innocent life. Anyway, all I was saying was that from a logical standpoint the act of killing isn't a punishment. When you die, how exactly are you punished?
There is no way in hell I trust the authorities with this power.
heres one exaple...http://www.freemumia.com/
Personally, I'm against the death penalty for many reasons:
1. Innocent people are sometimes convicted.
2. As Commy already mentioned, there is bias in the way it is applied.
3. I don't believe we have any more right to take the life of someone who wants to live than the criminal had to take his/her victim's life. It seems oxymoronical and I don't think it teaches a good lesson to our children.
4. It's very costly to the state.
5. I think it's a worse punishment to rot in prison.
And I feel this way even after having had a loved one brutally murdered. Just my $0.02.
Its inherently racist. When the prison population is majority African American and minority, its very wrong as well.
The "justice" system, quotes and irony intended, is a joke. Its broken, corrupt, and illegal.
Tell that to the parents of this girl.
At the risk of sounding ignorant (which I guess I am), what girl?
Anyone interested in this subject should read Albert Camus' 'Reflections on the Guillotine'.
from Reflections on the Guillotine
Albert Camus:
"No government is innocent enough or wise enough or just enough to lay down to so absolute a power as death."
" ... the moral contradiction inherent in a policy which imitates the violence it claims to abhor and in fact premeditates it."
"To assert, in any case, that a man must be absolutely cut off from society because he is absolutely evil amounts to saying that society is absolutely good, and no one in his right mind will believe this today."
"For there to be equivalence, the death penalty would have to punish a criminal who had warned his victim of the date at which he would inflict a horrible death on him and who, from that moment onward, had confined him to his mercy for months. Such a monster is not encountered in private life."
"Could not justice concede to the criminal the same weakness in which society finds a sort of permanent extenuating circumstance for itself? Can the jury decently say: “If I kill you by mistake, you will forgive me when you consider the weaknesses of our common nature. But I am condemning you to death without considering those weaknesses or that nature"? There is a solidarity of ill men in error and aberration. Must that solidarity operate for the tribunal and be denied the accused? No, and if justice has any meaning in this world, it means nothing but the recognition of that solidarity; it cannot, by its very essence, divorce itself from compassion. Compassion, of course, can in this instance be but awareness of a common suffering and not a frivolous indulgence paying no attention to the sufferings and rights of the victim. Compassion does not exclude punishment, but it suspends the final condemnation. Compassion loathes the definitive, irreparable measure that does an injustice to mankind as a whole because of failing to take into account the wretchedness of the common condition."
i hope we are never put into a situation that the families and loved ones of these crimes have been put through....regardless, it is a difficult emotion to deal with, being a father now.
Thats sort of what I have always thought, a lifetime in a small solitary cell being completly alone with your own thoughts and nothing to pass the time would be a much worse punishment than being killed.
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As far as I know, yes. A bullet in the back of the head is still the way they do it here. And I heard that their organs are sold to the highest bidder.
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
What do you think?
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
There was a Chinese car company that manufactured a "mobile death unit" and sold many of them to the Chinese government. Apparently they execute the inmate as the car is travelling to the cemetery and they bury him/her straight after its done. The government says its much cheaper this way.
Many people are suspicious of this and believe they are implementing it to make it easier for the state to harvest the inmates organs (considering they are buried directly after execution).
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldne ... arket.html
How fucking wrong is that..
Really, thats how they do it in Canada (although not many people get that sentence). Paul Bernardo is locked in a cell by himself for 23 hours a day, although I believe he gets out for 1 hour a day for supervised exercise (by himself). Although I think he can get letters, which to me is too much.
in all honesty....i do not know how much time outside the cell is appropiate. tough call.
forgive me if you have already viewed:
The Cost of Capital Punishment
Death-penalty opponents are using a new argument for tough economic times: that capital punishment is too expensive
By Ian Urbina
Maryland Governor Martin O'Malley went to his state legislature in February and made an unconventional argument that is becoming increasingly popular in cash-strapped states: Abolish the death penalty to save money.
O'Malley, a Catholic who has cited religious opposition to the death penalty in the past, is now arguing that capital cases cost three times as much as homicide cases where the death penalty is not sought. "We can't afford that," he said, "when there are better and cheaper ways to reduce crime."
Lawmakers in Colorado, Kansas, Montana, Nebraska, and New Hampshire have made the same argument in recent months as they push bills seeking to repeal the death penalty.
And last month, New Mexico became the most recent state to abolish the death penalty. Its Governor, Bill Richardson, who signed the measure despite having been a longtime supporter of capital punishment, said that cost was a factor in his decision.
Death-penalty opponents, who have long focused on questions of morality or justice, say they are pleased to have allies raising the economic argument.
Thirty-five states have the death penalty on their books; 15 now ban it, including New Mexico and New Jersey, which abolished it in 2007.
Fewer Executions
Support among Americans for the death penalty seems to be fading. After years in which solid majorities supported capital punishment, a recent Gallup poll showed the nation about equally divided when life without parole is offered as an alternative.
The number of executions each year in the U.S. has dropped by more than half since its peak of 98 in 1999, to 37 in 2008. At the same time, the death penalty has come under increasing scrutiny. Exonerations of death-row inmates, based on DNA and other evidence, have led to charges that the death penalty is too severe—and final—a punishment.
The courts also have narrowed the death penalty's scope. In 2002, the Supreme Court ruled that executing the mentally retarded violates the 8th Amendment's ban on cruel and unusual punishment. In 2005, the Court decided in Roper v. Simmons that it was unconstitutional to execute anyone for crimes committed as a juvenile (defined as under the age of 18).
And now, economic realities are forcing even some supporters of the death penalty to rethink their positions. A 2008 study of Maryland by the Urban Institute concluded that because of appeals, it costs almost $2 million more for the state to put someone to death than it costs to put a person in prison, even for a life sentence.
Long Trials, More Lawyers
Capital cases are expensive because the trials tend to take longer, they typically require more lawyers and more-costly expert witnesses, and they are far more likely to lead to multiple appeals. Furthermore, in many states, death-row inmates often spend decades in prison before their appeals are exhausted.
But it doesn't have to be that way, says Kent Scheidegger of the Criminal Justice Legal Foundation, a victim's rights group.
"The cost of keeping a person on death row for 20 years is not a cost of the death penalty; it's a cost of the obstruction of the death penalty," Scheidegger says. "If cases went from trial to execution in five years, like they do in Virginia, that other 15 years of cost would be gone."
On average, it costs $23,000 a year to keep someone in prison, according to the Bureau of Justice Statistics. That number varies widely, depending on the state and the level of security of the prison. Death rows are among the most costly.
Scheidegger calls the anticipated savings from abolishing the death penalty a mirage. He says that having the death penalty on the books means prosecutors can offer life sentences in plea bargains and thus avoid trial costs altogether.
Opponents of repealing capital punishment also say it is short-sighted and will result in more crime and greater costs to states down the road. As police departments face budget cuts, the role of the death penalty in deterring crime is more important than ever, they say.
Scott Shellenberger, a prosecutor in Baltimore County, Md., puts it this way: "How do you put a price tag on crimes that don't happen because the threat of the death penalty deters them?"
taken from upfront.com, a cooperative effort between the NY Times and scholastic magazines...peace.
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