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RE: EV tixs. Cost of touring
I see a lot of people are complaining about ticket prices, so I will let you know how your and where your money usually goes with shows. (these are normal percentages and estimated cost, every situation could be different and no I dont know PJs or EVs).
Lets say, each show for EV he is charging 100k (for ie), no chance for artist to make points (especially with the small amount of tixs sold)
All of the following info is based on my college education and real world experience. Everything is approximate and is based on the employing the best in the industry.
Before Expenses or anything else, go ahead and subtract the following
15% Band Manager
10% Booking Agent
5% Business Manager
So thats 30% of 100k (30k already gone)
EV probably travels with the following crew (just for his solo tours):
Tour Manager
Asst TM
Prod Manager
Stage Manager
Lighting Director
Lighting tech
Monitor Engineer
Monitor Tech
FOH Engineer
(2)A2's
Guitar Tech
Merch Manager
Catering Manager
Asst Catering Manager
(2) touring riggers
Security Director
Asst Security Director.
Ten club associate
PR Director
So thats between 60k-70k a week in crew salaries, whether there is a show or not. So 10k/day. Plus per diem which would probably be ~ 10-11k/week/1100/day
Busses, depending on how nice of buses and how many people you want to cram onto 1 bus (a bus bunk can be set-up to hold 12 people, but average is 9 or 10)
Lets say he tours with 3 buses. Avg cost of fuel, lease of the bus, driver, tolls, and parking is about 1200 per bus per day. so thats 3600 in buses a day/ 25k week.
Trucks.
his solo tour probably goes with 2 trucks, thats about 1k/day for each so thats 2k each day, 14k/week.
Flights.
All of the crew have to be flown in for rehearsals and end of tour, this cost is a complete guestimate, lets says 12k for flights. Dont know if EV flies or rides a bus.....
Hotels
Depending on how they do it, it could cost 2k/day on show days for hotel and off days maybe 3k/day, depends if they just have day rooms...
Lighting and Sound
probably with the package he is traveling with, I would say he is running a 60-80k/week tab on sound and lights. getting all that to hawai'i wont be cheap. if he has video, that cost is going up a lot.
Venue costs, shipping, cell phones, radios, food, and etc..
then there are taxes and insurance...
touring is very expensive and if you want it done right, so that your fans can get the most out of a show then its not cheap.
Lets say, each show for EV he is charging 100k (for ie), no chance for artist to make points (especially with the small amount of tixs sold)
All of the following info is based on my college education and real world experience. Everything is approximate and is based on the employing the best in the industry.
Before Expenses or anything else, go ahead and subtract the following
15% Band Manager
10% Booking Agent
5% Business Manager
So thats 30% of 100k (30k already gone)
EV probably travels with the following crew (just for his solo tours):
Tour Manager
Asst TM
Prod Manager
Stage Manager
Lighting Director
Lighting tech
Monitor Engineer
Monitor Tech
FOH Engineer
(2)A2's
Guitar Tech
Merch Manager
Catering Manager
Asst Catering Manager
(2) touring riggers
Security Director
Asst Security Director.
Ten club associate
PR Director
So thats between 60k-70k a week in crew salaries, whether there is a show or not. So 10k/day. Plus per diem which would probably be ~ 10-11k/week/1100/day
Busses, depending on how nice of buses and how many people you want to cram onto 1 bus (a bus bunk can be set-up to hold 12 people, but average is 9 or 10)
Lets say he tours with 3 buses. Avg cost of fuel, lease of the bus, driver, tolls, and parking is about 1200 per bus per day. so thats 3600 in buses a day/ 25k week.
Trucks.
his solo tour probably goes with 2 trucks, thats about 1k/day for each so thats 2k each day, 14k/week.
Flights.
All of the crew have to be flown in for rehearsals and end of tour, this cost is a complete guestimate, lets says 12k for flights. Dont know if EV flies or rides a bus.....
Hotels
Depending on how they do it, it could cost 2k/day on show days for hotel and off days maybe 3k/day, depends if they just have day rooms...
Lighting and Sound
probably with the package he is traveling with, I would say he is running a 60-80k/week tab on sound and lights. getting all that to hawai'i wont be cheap. if he has video, that cost is going up a lot.
Venue costs, shipping, cell phones, radios, food, and etc..
then there are taxes and insurance...
touring is very expensive and if you want it done right, so that your fans can get the most out of a show then its not cheap.
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Eddie clears about $122.50 a show????
hehehehe...........
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Edit: 100K could be correct, come to think of it... check this link out - EV and PJ aren't on there, but interesting nonetheless... Bob Dylan is 100K to book.. U2 - 3 Million!
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But based on what SB51696 posted I would imagine there would be an economy of scale type of thing going on. Yes when the whole band tours there might be twice as much crew but at the same time they are playing venues that are what 2-3 times bigger which means 2-3 times the tickets. Plus I imagine no matter how small your tour is you still have to bring the more expensive senior people. So sure a full band tour has three times as many roadies (but you pay them less) and no matter how small the tour is you still have to bring along people like the security manager and the tour manager, who get paid probably the same regardless of how big the band is. Not to mention all the discounts you surely get for things like hotels and food and probably even buses when you have a larger group.
Try venues that are 5-10 times bigger! Tower Theater = 3200. What's the Wachovia Center? 20,000+? Susquehanna (Camden) = 25,000....and so on.
HUGE difference!!
Full band tours are much more profitable to the members than this solo shit, count on that. Ed's doing this because he enjoys it, not because it's funding the newest daughter's college. That's what band tours are for.
Yeah, in Ames Bros. swag...
Bands make way more of Merchandise then they do off tickets.
Ever wonder why t-shirt cost $5 and they sell it $35, and they sell thousands of them. Poster cost about $3, I would guess, and they sell them for $35.
And that money goes to the band, not shared with venue or promoter, they pay the artist a bit, have touring merch manger and then the people working the stands are often locals, working for a few bucks a free to shirt and ticket to the show.
For a comparison, 9 months ago I saw Tom Waits on his small, short tour (something like 10-12 cities from the SW to the south). His tickets were $80 (before service charges, think the total for 2 was about $180something). He also played high-demand shows in relatively small venues (average about 2000 seats...the Palace in El Paso, pretty sure the Orpheum sounds familiar, just really nice classy theaters, some historically so like the El Paso one I went to).
Now the difference is: Ed is one guy on stage with a couple string instruments and some harmonicas. Tom Waits had a 5 or 6 piece band backing him up. I don't know if he pays Liam Finn & EJ like Tom Waits paid his backing band. He probably doesn't have to. Liam is getting exposure, playing to big crowds, etc (something he told me when I saw him play a small bar in Santa Fe for "15 people"--his estimate). Just throwing that out there...Ed doesn't have backing musicians to pay for. Somewhat relevant sidenote: My old guitar teacher went on tour with a famous "nuevo flamenco" guitarist and got paid $4,000 a month to be a member of the star/leader's backing band...and that was about a decade ago.
I'm sure it all balances out...somehow. It's just hard to tell exactly HOW it balances, how things are paid for, etc when you click on the thing to buy tickets and it says $166 per pair. I understand both sides of it.
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You've hit the nail on the head, my friend. Even though the venues eddie plays are 1/10 the size of the venues PJ plays, the costs do not go down in direct proportion, so the profit margin goes way down.
Even if Ed's guarantee is, say, as high as 80% of the potentional gross, it is still only $165,000 if he plays a 2,000-seater, so after expenses, he doesn't net all that much, and he nets even less after paying 35% Federal tax on his net. This is all based on speculation, and not on any specific knowledge.
Some artists have savy deals that call for the mgr & biz mgr to take their % based on the net, but that would never happen with the agent's fee (anytime I have suggested a reduction in commissions to an agent, they turn red!).
People also have to realize that the prices artists charge are a based on the perceived value of and the demand for their talent. Most bands won't lower their ticket price just because their costs go down.....at the end of the day, we are paying for the perceived value of the talent, as opposed to paying some multiple of the actual production costs.
On the oppsite spectrum, newer bands can't charge high prices for tickets, even if they have high touring costs, because less people would come to see them. Most new bands lose money (though the losses are often subsidized via tour support from the record label) on the road, but do so in hopes of getting exposure.
End of rant!
also he probably purchases carbon credits to offset the tour footprint
ya know..if i hit the powerball?
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I just did some simple calculations here. If he plays all shows including the roll-over ones that is 14 shows. Lets say seating is 3,000 per venue, because honestly I have no idea about each and every place. And lets just put the price at $75 because I think that is the base ticket price.
Add that all up, and it is a gross of 3.1 MILLION dollars.
Since I'm lazy, based off of these numbers can you break it down for me?
Eddies aware of them, He could of changed it if he wanted too.
If you don't like it (which you shouldn't) don't get tickets. simple as that.
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I'm a big supporter of smaller shows (Broken Social Scene, Metric, etc..) and they keep prices low (under $30) but Eddie IS a household name, and can charge these prices.
Lets say you had a job, and you could do that job for $30 an hour (just using a small example) or $80 an hour. What would you choose?
I probably wouldn't pay $120 for an Eddie ticket, but I wouldn't be angry, he just wouldn't get my money, plain and simple.
EDIT: I looked over a bunch of ticket stubs I have, the average of all those (about 25 shows, I didn't include festivals and what not) was $62... This has all been within the last 5 years. The most expensive being Springsteen, Roger Waters, and Clapton (at $120) and the least expensive being a Metric show I saw last week ($10). So Eddie is more expensive than average. Having said that, he puts on a better show than average. Is it the best value for the money? No. But IMO, he's worth what he's charging.
I think that is more along the lines of what they make from a standard gig. I remember seeing those numbers in an issue of Blender a few years back.
If Ed makes it a habit to do these solo tours pretty regularly, the price is too steep. I went and seen Tool in a comparable venue, last tour and it was around $60. Their show is 100x more complex, and I'm sure they are hauling around alot more people than Ed.
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What are these numbers for though? When bands tour, don't they actually "rent" out the arena?
Who hires PJ to tour and support their album?
haha dude I'm sure the shows are amazing, from what I can see on youtube atleast.
If Eddie does end up playing a show in Seattle (which he wont), I probably will go
I did a buncha work for my parents last night, made some ca$h and am working at my dads shop this saturday to make ca$h and im going to save up for future EV/Pearl Jam shows with the ca$h I make.
I just wish he'd lower it but whatever.
I wasn't saying his shows aren't worth it I just was saying people should stop making excuses on why its so expensive and if they don't like it don't go stop complaining about it.
Anyone know how much the upcoming Pearl Jam tour will cost? I want to be prepared.
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I actually lowered my price for the festival
I heard from someone in the industry that they got $1 million for lolla in 07
it varies, but as I understand it the promoter books the band and rents the arena
there are booking agents that set up entire tours
there are tour managers and band managers that work with the local promoters to organize the shows
PJ tells their manager to book a tour
the manager, and or booking agent gets to work
Don't forget the turning water into wine part.
Its the reason he always has so much wine at concerts
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