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Sian-of-the-deadSian-of-the-dead Posts: 8,963
edited April 2009 in The Porch
OK, i'm not normally one to say something but this has got my goat good.

EV did a solo tour last year, he did the West Coast, we all know this.
Pearl Jam did a tour last year, they did East Coast.
EV has just announced another solo tour, this time East Coast and down to the south (which you all bitched about)

Now, in 2006 Pearl Jam played THREE dates in the UK - London Astoria and Reading and Leeds festival
In 2007, Pearl Jam played ONE date in the UK - Wembley.

Before that we hadn't seen them on European soil, let alone English soil, for 6 years.

I don't understand how quite a few (not all) of you American's on here, bitch whinge and moan when a tour gets announced. The band owe you the same as they owe us Euro types - NOTHING.

We get a tour once in a blue moon and when it happens, we approach it with a positive attitude, we all help each other out and look forward to seeing a band we all love so much, together. I know personally a lot of PJ fans who travelled to different countries to see Ed and the boys, so why do some of you have a problem hopping on a plane for a few dollars and getting to a show in a different state?! No no, instead you come on here and bitch that Ed's not playing Seattle, Denver, California... wherever! while you're still beavering away to get tickets to these 'wrongly located'* shows. The negative threads far outweigh the positive when shows are announced and i'll be honest, it pisses me right off.

*all because it's not on your own doorstep.

I also think that the ticket policy is rather good for small EV shows... everyone gets a fair chance regardless of bandwidth, connection strength or working hours and internet access. I don't think it'll work for PJ shows but hey! Give Kat and Sea et al some credit. They know how this shit works and I for one, trust their work and judgement.

I'd give my right arm for a tour at the arse end of this year/beginning of next - EV or PJ. I also understand that it may not happen... and i'm fine with that. I'm just pleased for you American's who are lucky enough to see Ed's wonderful solo work performed by the man himself.

I don't wanna start a fight, I just don't think you know how good you have it.

~ Siân
Been to this many PJ shows: Reading 2006 London 2007 Manchester & London 2009 Dublin, Belfast, London, Nijmegen & Berlin 2010 Manchester 1 & Manchester 2 2012...

... and I still think Drive-By Truckers are better.
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    Local CrewLocal Crew Posts: 745
    another thread bitching about other threads about bitching.
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    DeLukinDeLukin Posts: 2,750
    Local Crew wrote:
    another thread bitching about other threads about bitching.
    Quit your bitching.
    I smile, but who am I kidding...
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    mfc2006mfc2006 HTOWN Posts: 37,385
    well said, Sian.
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    ChazzChazz Somerset, UK Posts: 1,094
    Sian-of-the-dead wrote:
    OK, i'm not normally one to say something but this has got my goat good.

    EV did a solo tour last year, he did the West Coast, we all know this.
    Pearl Jam did a tour last year, they did East Coast.
    EV has just announced another solo tour, this time East Coast and down to the south (which you all bitched about)

    Now, in 2006 Pearl Jam played THREE dates in the UK - London Astoria and Reading and Leeds festival
    In 2007, Pearl Jam played ONE date in the UK - Wembley.

    Before that we hadn't seen them on European soil, let alone English soil, for 6 years.

    I don't understand how quite a few (not all) of you American's on here, bitch whinge and moan when a tour gets announced. The band owe you the same as they owe us Euro types - NOTHING.

    We get a tour once in a blue moon and when it happens, we approach it with a positive attitude, we all help each other out and look forward to seeing a band we all love so much, together. I know personally a lot of PJ fans who travelled to different countries to see Ed and the boys, so why do some of you have a problem hopping on a plane for a few dollars and getting to a show in a different state?! No no, instead you come on here and bitch that Ed's not playing Seattle, Denver, California... wherever! while you're still beavering away to get tickets to these 'wrongly located'* shows. The negative threads far outweigh the positive when shows are announced and i'll be honest, it pisses me right off.

    *all because it's not on your own doorstep.

    I also think that the ticket policy is rather good for small EV shows... everyone gets a fair chance regardless of bandwidth, connection strength or working hours and internet access. I don't think it'll work for PJ shows but hey! Give Kat and Sea et al some credit. They know how this shit works and I for one, trust their work and judgement.

    I'd give my right arm for a tour at the arse end of this year/beginning of next - EV or PJ. I also understand that it may not happen... and i'm fine with that. I'm just pleased for you American's who are lucky enough to see Ed's wonderful solo work performed by the man himself.

    I don't wanna start a fight, I just don't think you know how good you have it.

    ~ Siân

    I agree with all of this, but its always the same, there should be a sticky thread for bitching so it can all be put in one place!and we'd have to post in it too cos now we're bitching about bitching :roll: ;):)
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    Local CrewLocal Crew Posts: 745
    DeLukin wrote:
    Local Crew wrote:
    another thread bitching about other threads about bitching.
    Quit your bitching.
    dammit! haha
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    SCRIBLING C-MENTSCRIBLING C-MENT Springfield, IL Posts: 248
    Local Crew wrote:
    another thread bitching about other threads about bitching.

    That's what's wrong with this place. It's not like it used to be.
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    LONGRDLONGRD Posts: 6,036
    edited April 2009
    I'm not complaining!!!!!!! :D:mrgreen:
    The ticket prices were the same as last year's...plus, the Albany show is only a 30-minute drive for me.

    It's great to live in the northeast(of USA). :P
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    The ChampThe Champ Posts: 4,063
    Wow, you've put way too much thought and energy into this ;) ..people bitch, it's what they do....
    'I want to hurry home to you
    put on a slow, dumb show for you
    and crack you up
    so you can put a blue ribbon on my brain
    god I'm very, very frightening
    and I'll overdo it'
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    CalumCalum Posts: 635
    I agree , and about those 3 UK dates. 2 of them were festival, and I hate festivals! Reading & Leeds, sadly now attract an emo/wannabe rock crowd, and it showed as PJ didnt really get the greatest reception, as most people were there for "who ever is the latest cool band"

    and the astoria.. I was lucky enough to be there, that place is tiny, probably smaller than most EV solo tours!
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    polaris_xpolaris_x Posts: 13,559
    what's funny about the west coast threads is that he will likely do another leg on the west coast but they just haven't announced it yet ... similar to last year except in reverse ...
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    BeerBaronBeerBaron Toronto-ish Posts: 4,089
    mfc2006 wrote:
    well said, Sian.
    I second this.
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    PJFAN_seattlePJFAN_seattle Posts: 2,965
    polaris_x wrote:
    what's funny about the west coast threads is that he will likely do another leg on the west coast but they just haven't announced it yet ... similar to last year except in reverse ...
    If he does this I will make a thread apologizing for bitching about him not playing seattle.
    But I get the feeling this wont happen if Pearl Jam is supposed to tour in the fall.
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    ZosoCatZosoCat Posts: 176
    i don't agree with the ticket prices but PJ and ed can't play everywhere.. I mean by the end of the latest tour announced he would have played in Vancouver, Seattle (secret show), Berkerly, LA. San Diego, Toronto, Montreal, Chicago, NYC, Boston, Hawaii, Philly, Baltimore, Atlanta, Albany, Memphis, Nashille, Chicago, Milwaukee and Washington DC... I think I mentioned them all but thats's not bad seeing PJ played 13 shows last year also. What more can they do?

    agree with sian
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    wash_wash_ Posts: 1,073
    Well said Sian. The bit about people thinking they have a right to see Ed/PJ in their backgarden (!) does get to me when we know of people who travel far and wide. I personally hope Finland gets a look in next time around. And Oz actually.

    Not sure about the ticket restriction, i'm personally hoping it won't be like that for PJ shows (purely because it takes away the fun of hitting refresh and the agony and stress and elation of getting tickets-but that's just me!) :lol:
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    JeanwahJeanwah Posts: 6,363
    edited April 2009
    Complaining is what we Americans seem to do best, sadly. :(

    I completely agree with you, Sian.
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    Brisk.Brisk. Posts: 11,490
    edited April 2009
    Sian-of-the-dead wrote:
    OK, i'm not normally one to say something but this has got my goat good.

    EV did a solo tour last year, he did the West Coast, we all know this.
    Pearl Jam did a tour last year, they did East Coast.
    EV has just announced another solo tour, this time East Coast and down to the south (which you all bitched about)

    Now, in 2006 Pearl Jam played THREE dates in the UK - London Astoria and Reading and Leeds festival
    In 2007, Pearl Jam played ONE date in the UK - Wembley.

    Before that we hadn't seen them on European soil, let alone English soil, for 6 years.

    I don't understand how quite a few (not all) of you American's on here, bitch whinge and moan when a tour gets announced. The band owe you the same as they owe us Euro types - NOTHING.

    We get a tour once in a blue moon and when it happens, we approach it with a positive attitude, we all help each other out and look forward to seeing a band we all love so much, together. I know personally a lot of PJ fans who travelled to different countries to see Ed and the boys, so why do some of you have a problem hopping on a plane for a few dollars and getting to a show in a different state?! No no, instead you come on here and bitch that Ed's not playing Seattle, Denver, California... wherever! while you're still beavering away to get tickets to these 'wrongly located'* shows. The negative threads far outweigh the positive when shows are announced and i'll be honest, it pisses me right off.

    *all because it's not on your own doorstep.

    I also think that the ticket policy is rather good for small EV shows... everyone gets a fair chance regardless of bandwidth, connection strength or working hours and internet access. I don't think it'll work for PJ shows but hey! Give Kat and Sea et al some credit. They know how this shit works and I for one, trust their work and judgement.

    I'd give my right arm for a tour at the arse end of this year/beginning of next - EV or PJ. I also understand that it may not happen... and i'm fine with that. I'm just pleased for you American's who are lucky enough to see Ed's wonderful solo work performed by the man himself.

    I don't wanna start a fight, I just don't think you know how good you have it.

    ~ Siân

    +1

    hell yeah, couldn't have said it any better :)

    Think its funny how some americans just dont travel to any shows, i would go anywhere in Europe to see Ed and probably do the entire tour.
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    strummersstrummers Posts: 2,611
    BeerBaron wrote:
    mfc2006 wrote:
    well said, Sian.
    I second this.

    I third it!
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    pearljamjenpearljamjen Posts: 13,578
    Have you never visited the Porch before? ;)

    This happens EVERY time there is a ticket announcement/tour...

    I hope everyone who gets tickets has a wonderful time! I went to some shows on the West Coast leg last year, but I skipped the Ed shows on his East Coast leg. I'll be skipping it this time too. Personally, I'm much more interested in a PJ show!! Ed was magical...but, yeah, I'd so much rather have PJ news and see PJ.

    But good luck to everyone who gets tickets! Liam Finn is AWESOME btw! :mrgreen:
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    PRL1JAMPRL1JAM Posts: 782
    pearljamjen wrote:
    Have you never visited the Porch before? ;)

    This happens EVERY time there is a ticket announcement/tour...

    I hope everyone who gets tickets has a wonderful time! I went to some shows on the West Coast leg last year, but I skipped the Ed shows on his East Coast leg. I'll be skipping it this time too. Personally, I'm much more interested in a PJ show!! Ed was magical...but, yeah, I'd so much rather have PJ news and see PJ.

    But good luck to everyone who gets tickets! Liam Finn is AWESOME btw! :mrgreen:

    well said. And yes, Liam Linn is AWESOME
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    HinnHinn Posts: 1,517
    The Internets were created for 2 things and 2 things only, Sian. Porn and bitching. Take away one, and the whole thing would collapse.
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    brolocobroloco Posts: 1,237
    not to be unpatriotic but the greedy mother-f-ers in this country. sheesh.
    nice writing sian.
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    Sian-of-the-deadSian-of-the-dead Posts: 8,963
    Of course i've been to the porch before :roll: I was writing about all the shows i've seen announced ;)

    I KNOW that bitchin' happens, i'm just sick of it. I was just trying to highlight that the American's should be glad for what they have for a change and keep a positive attitude.

    Let's face it, if interviews and speculation are anything to go by, we may not get PJ on European (let alone Australian) soil for another two years... and we're all willing to wait patiently for that. You Americans have got it good. So please, just be grateful.
    Been to this many PJ shows: Reading 2006 London 2007 Manchester & London 2009 Dublin, Belfast, London, Nijmegen & Berlin 2010 Manchester 1 & Manchester 2 2012...

    ... and I still think Drive-By Truckers are better.
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    pdalowskypdalowsky Doncaster,UK Posts: 14,737
    Rourke24 wrote:
    I agree , and about those 3 UK dates. 2 of them were festival, and I hate festivals! Reading & Leeds, sadly now attract an emo/wannabe rock crowd, and it showed as PJ didnt really get the greatest reception, as most people were there for "who ever is the latest cool band"

    and the astoria.. I was lucky enough to be there, that place is tiny, probably smaller than most EV solo tours!


    dude, the point you make about the astoria isnt a negative one, its a very very positive one...

    but generally the English fans get fucked all over by this band. Two festivals dates and one arena in 9 years....and the small warm up show.....to think the reception the boys get over here compared to the states too makes it a bitter pill to swallow and they dont even always sell out in the states
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    SolarWorldSolarWorld Posts: 1,902
    its like clockwork...

    different board, same shit
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    IAmMyselfIAmMyself Posts: 667
    broloco wrote:
    not to be unpatriotic but the greedy mother-f-ers in this country. sheesh.
    nice writing sian.

    +1 :shock:
    "Please help me to help you, help yourself." EV
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    goldrushgoldrush everybody knows this is nowhere Posts: 7,323
    For what it's worth I agree with Sian, it does suck that Europe has to wait fo so long to get tours these days. I really do sympathise with you guys in the South because you've waited long enough, but at least they're in your country (isn't this what road trips were invented for?! :D )

    I think the only way to get around this is for them to announce a non-stop tour that doesn't finish until they have played in every country possible! They could record on the road like REM did with 'New Adventures' and just keep going :D
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    finnanniefinnannie Posts: 1,186
    Well said Sian!

    8-)
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