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  • JaneNYJaneNY Posts: 4,438
    tubes10s wrote:
    so in the end we've got a really good thing going here folks. everyone needs to quit complaining and understand that we're all basically guaranteed good tickets to pearl jam shows every time that we want to go. the 10club puts in a lot of effort to make our ticket-buying experience as easy as possible. quit complaining because it also requires a little effort on your part as well to get the tickets that you want.

    You make a lot of good points and the random way is probably more fair, but I disagree with the 'requires a little more effort on your part to get the tickets you want'. In the current situation once one has put in an order for the opportunity to buy tickets, no amount of effort will ensure you get them. Effort on the part of the ticket buyer is irrelevant at that point because the process is random and the ticket buyer has no control over the process. It may be more fair, but just wanted to clear that up.
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  • JeanwahJeanwah Posts: 6,363
    BeerBaron wrote:
    This system makes sense for the Ed solo shows given the small venues and limited fan club tickets. But it makes NO SENSE whatsoever for PJ shows in arenas and ampitheatres.

    Ten Club never said that this new policy will be for any other tours. Don't get your panties all in a bunch about it...yet. And I happen to agree.
  • chromiamchromiam Posts: 4,114
    CJMST3K wrote:
    samnation wrote:
    Musictoday is owned by Livenation. Livenation is in the process of merging with Ticketmaster. Does anyone here want to hand over the Ten Club to Ticketmaster?


    I DO!

    I hate TM. BUT the ONLY reason PJ doesn't sell all 18,000 tickets to TC members at a particular arena or ampitheatre show is because of TM's lock on venues prevents TC from having access to sell 90% of the tickets. I emailed TC and they said they only get about 10% of the venue to sell. Howabout we LET TM handle TC ticket sales for all shows... think about it.... the potential of ALL TC audience at the shows! NEVER getting "shut out" during a pre-sale. No PJ website crashing. No removing tickets from your shopping cart when PJ website wants you to re-login during the purchase. Seeing 100% of the tour, for those who want to. I can't think of enough reasons to use TM for TC ticketing. It would eliminate pretty much all of the problems, except the service fee.

    Here's the problem... there would NEVER be a 10C only show every again. Because as soon as TM had control of the 10C ticket sales, there would be scalpers, radio station/credit card/email club presales, and every other imaginable outlet for tickets which do not include members of the 10C. So this "10C only show" would become more like a normal tour show which would have tickets posted all over StubHub, TicketsNow, and even this board for resale... probably at ridiculous amounts due to the 10C only show designation.
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  • decides2dreamdecides2dream Posts: 14,977
    ajedigecko wrote:
    are you aware of the lottery system put in place last pj tour 2008? it was AWESOME!
    first 2 rows and rows 9 and 10 were completely randomly chosen.....all other 10c seats according to seniority. it was GREAT. i think that, coupled perhaps with a lottery to even SCORE tix, would be great for all.

    samnation the lottery WOULD be great for all shows....i meant only meant the one show per tour limit wouldn't be. sorry if that was unclear.

    I heard about it, but didn't go to any shows in 08. It's definitely an improvement, but only if you get lucky. And I DO understand why seniority is valued. But the system I'm proposing moves EVERYBODY up, not just the lottery winners. And the people with seniority would still get the best seats one night a tour, and then very, very good seats every other night of the tour.

    I'm not sure I'm explaining what I have in mind for a general PJ tour. I'll try it again.

    There are TWO rounds of sales.

    Round 1:
    - Like what's going on with Ed's shows now, you pick one show (and maybe a back up) that you want tickets for. There's a lottery to see who gets tickets. However, I'm willing to bet that in an arena show where there are lots of seats available, pretty much everybody is going to get tickets to their top choice, or at least their back up. Places like MSG have had problems in the past because everyone on the east coast comes to town for the show... that doesn't happen in this system, because many of them are probably bidding on their hometown shows.
    - Those tickets are distributed based on seniority, or if you want to do the mix up from 08, that's fine too.

    Round 2:
    - Whatever seats are left in fan club sections that weren't bought in round one can be bid on by anyone, as many different shows as they want.
    - People are selected for those seats by random lottery.
    - Lottery winners get seats based on either seniority or random lottery.

    Pros:
    - Everyone moves up. The people that always log jam the first 10 rows are limited to one show where they do that. So the folks that used to be kept to row 30 get to move up to row 10 or maybe even better.
    - Seniority does still matter. You still get the best seat in the house based on your number for your first choice show. In fact, it's probably even better than it used to be because there was less competition for each individual show. And for the other shows you get tickets to, you get the best seats of what's left after the people that made the show their top choice are accommodated.
    - Everyone is basically guaranteed a good ten club seat to one show every tour. No more problems of some people getting the best seats to every show while others are shut out of the fan club section completely at multiple shows.

    Cons:
    - The people used to getting in the first 10 rows every night only get that for one night. Then they move back for their other shows, though they are still in better shape than most people would have been under the old system.
    - You might not get fan club tickets to every single show you want. But this apparently was the case at MSG in 08 anyway and at least it's decided fairly at random rather than being decided by who has the most computer savvy, best internet connection, and the most friends to help them log in.
    this is perfect.




    actually, i personally don't think so. that said, i don't think there is a *perfect* possible, just doing the best for the most fans. the *problem* even with this suggested system, is it really DOESN'T assist places like MSG. why? b/c there is a flawed logic in thinking many others would not choose MSG first, even if there are other shows. many, many people come from all over the WORLD to see pj at MSG, the gorge, red rocks if they play there again, etc, etc. these are 'destination' concerts.....and many would STILL choose them first, even if there is a show closer to home, but more than likely...there IS no show close to home. so i personally do not think this would improve my chances at my personal ,h ometown - NYC, shows.


    i LOVE the lottery for even GETTING tickets. no stress, access over a couple of days, and see who gets tickets.

    after that, sure....the idea of ONE choice for your seniority based show, ANywhere on the tour, is cool. any/all other tickets you get for the tour thru 10c.....just mixed up with the rest of the 10c, while those who chose it as their seniorty show get up front. personally tho, i think how they did it last tour......1 and 2nd rows, 9th and 10th rows, completely random, all else by seniority, was awesome...and a bit easier for 10c to manage, so i am all for them sticking with that, it's cool.

    i also fully support whatever *limits* 10c deems necessary/fair for 'special' shows...whether very small venues, limited run, only one show for a small tour, whatever. they've done so in the past and i imagine they will continue to do so. it does work, even if some are left out of the chance of 10c tix to those few special shows. c'est la vie.


    so for me, keeping it *easy*...i'd love to see a combination of the lottery system for actually purchasing tickets...so much more chill, and fair imo....mixed with the random rows of the last tour but basically seniority based seating overall.


    i don't have a great # by any stretch, but just the chance up front with those 4 random rows is great. i love to travel far and wide for pj, so i like being able to score multiple 10c tix for shows, makes it far more worthwhile. don't know if i'd travel with pj shows included as much if i had to depend on shit TM seats, but that's just me. i am just HAPPY that 10c continually tweaks their system to our overall benefit, constantly improving......that to me shows true caring for the fans. :)
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  • soulsingingsoulsinging Posts: 13,202
    tubes10s wrote:
    in reading all of this whining and moaning on this thread, it's pretty obvious that 99.9% of folks' problem here is "waaahhh... i want to be front row. i don't care that my fanclub membership is only a year old and other folks have been paying dues for 15 years, i should be ENTITLED to guaranteed tickets to every show and sitting front and center." for one thing... we're only paying $20 a year for a membership, and we already get magazines and a fanclub single shipped to us each year without paying another penny. it's not like we're breaking the bank for the opportunities we get for tickets. it sounds like the only thing that's going to make all of the crybabies happy is to have one giant single row of seats, then everyone would be front row and everyone could shut up. personally, i feel very lucky that a small yearly fee gets me a fanclub single each year, and emails to let me know when tours are coming, and emails with links to buy tickets. i mean geeez folks, it's handed to us on a silver platter! how about being grateful for once? how much easier can it get?

    It's got nothing to do with me wanting to be front row. I'll never be front row and I don't care. It's got to do with giving the kid with the year old membership (I've been a member for over 10 years and I'm here saying this) a chance to be maybe row 10-15 instead of 40. It is the people paying dues for 15 years that act like they are ENTITLED to be front and center every night because "I've been supporting the band my whole life." When you signed up, there was no seniority, so drop the bullshit. I'm sorry, but if you're going to bitch about sitting row 11 so that some new kid fan who might have his year made by being in row 10, then I say good riddance when you resign your membership in a whiny fit of entitlement.
  • covered in blisscovered in bliss chi-caw-go Posts: 1,332
    Does anyone know which show is was when Ed talked about the guy in the front row that didn't have glasses anymore? (lmao-long sentence there!)

    Ed recognized some guy and said something like "I remember you from shows in the very beginning... you used to request Jeremy" or something like that. Ed talks about him not having glasses anymore and about his girlfriend.. Ed then says "It's good to see you up front where you belong."

    That's from the horse's mouth, folks. I swear I didn't make that up! I think we'll always see some form of seniority seating. They'll probably stick with the lottery like last summer.
  • LizardLizard So Cal Posts: 12,091
    stickfig13 wrote:
    Great for Ed, this is too constricting for Pearl Jam Shows. Although I agree it is good for people who can't be online at the exact moment tix are on sale.

    They used to do it before via snail mail for PJ shows

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  • Ryan_WFCRyan_WFC Posts: 1,350
    tubes10s wrote:
    in reading all of this whining and moaning on this thread, it's pretty obvious that 99.9% of folks' problem here is "waaahhh... i want to be front row. i don't care that my fanclub membership is only a year old and other folks have been paying dues for 15 years, i should be ENTITLED to guaranteed tickets to every show and sitting front and center." for one thing... we're only paying $20 a year for a membership, and we already get magazines and a fanclub single shipped to us each year without paying another penny. it's not like we're breaking the bank for the opportunities we get for tickets. it sounds like the only thing that's going to make all of the crybabies happy is to have one giant single row of seats, then everyone would be front row and everyone could shut up. personally, i feel very lucky that a small yearly fee gets me a fanclub single each year, and emails to let me know when tours are coming, and emails with links to buy tickets. i mean geeez folks, it's handed to us on a silver platter! how about being grateful for once? how much easier can it get?

    It's got nothing to do with me wanting to be front row. I'll never be front row and I don't care. It's got to do with giving the kid with the year old membership (I've been a member for over 10 years and I'm here saying this) a chance to be maybe row 10-15 instead of 40. It is the people paying dues for 15 years that act like they are ENTITLED to be front and center every night because "I've been supporting the band my whole life." When you signed up, there was no seniority, so drop the bullshit. I'm sorry, but if you're going to bitch about sitting row 11 so that some new kid fan who might have his year made by being in row 10, then I say good riddance when you resign your membership in a whiny fit of entitlement.

    Who exactly are you calling out for entitlement? I see at least ten times more criticism towards the "entitled" people here with good numbers than I do those people with good numbers acting entitled.

    As to your actual argument, four of the first ten rows, including the first two, are currently random. Your "new kid fan" has the same shot at those as anyone.

    What's great about people with seniority having great tickets is it gives them incentive not to risk losing said seniority by scalping. Which is why the scalping of great Pearl Jam seats is extremely rare. (Think about that for a minute....). Reducing seniority will increase the numbers of scalpers joining 10-C. And then it won't be the lifeless seniority 'zombies' up front that people bitch about but the douchebags and Valley Girls who spent the whole show texting.

    The 10-C policy is incredibly good for the collective fanbase.
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  • tubes10stubes10s Posts: 535

    It's got nothing to do with me wanting to be front row. I'll never be front row and I don't care. It's got to do with giving the kid with the year old membership (I've been a member for over 10 years and I'm here saying this) a chance to be maybe row 10-15 instead of 40. It is the people paying dues for 15 years that act like they are ENTITLED to be front and center every night because "I've been supporting the band my whole life." When you signed up, there was no seniority, so drop the bullshit. I'm sorry, but if you're going to bitch about sitting row 11 so that some new kid fan who might have his year made by being in row 10, then I say good riddance when you resign your membership in a whiny fit of entitlement.

    well, if you would have actually read what i wrote about my seat in the 11th row instead of assuming for yourself what you think i said, then you would have seen that i was in no way bitching about sitting there. i even pointed out how i caught ed's guitar pic, and that wouldn't have happened without the lottery rows being in front of me! since getting my tickets through the 10club, i've never had a bad seat to a show, and i've only been in the front 10 rows 1 time in 8 shows.

    i also have kept my membership intact since 95 or 96. i think the lottery idea to make a couple of rows up front "random" is a good idea, as i said before. if i had to change anything about it, i'd say make it rows 4 through 7 instead of 1 & 2 and 9 & 10, but that's just my own preference. my member number will probably never earn me a front row, but i think the seniority idea for fanclub tickets is the absolute best idea for ticket sales. keeping a fanclub membership is not expensive and it's not difficult, and the band obviously prefers to reward the folks who can handle a small once-per-year payment with seats up front at their concerts. just because there wasn't seniority in the beginning certainly does not mean it's not a great way to do things now. where would we be if we always did things in our lives one certain way just because that's how it was always done?
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  • ajedigecko wrote:
    Great for Ed, this is too constricting for Pearl Jam Shows. Although I agree it is good for people who can't be online at the exact moment tix are on sale.
    i think it would be good for pj shows as well..............the limit of one show per fan concept. this would allow more people to attend shows via their club number and not be shut out.

    who knows.


    c'mon. So you want a chance at getting tickets to a Pearl Jam show? Something like this is good for Eddie shows. They are in such small venues and the demand for tickets is extremely high. This would not be fair for Pearl Jam shows.
  • Terryible wrote:
    its a shit policy, i'm going to be in Honolulu at the same time as his shows but can't buy tickets

    not happy


    why couldn't you put in for HI tix?
    i am confused..
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  • CosmoCosmo Posts: 12,225
    Personally... I liked the one show policy.
    But, I also like the multiple show through the Ten/VHC method to get other shows, rather than having to deal with TicketMonster.
    Here's my proposal...
    You can buy as many shows as you want through the Fan Club.
    BUT... you must choose ONE show as your Top Pick.
    At that Top Pick show, you will be seated in order of Seniority. The people who didn't pick that show will be seated according to Seniority.
    All other shows you buy tickets for will be seated by Seniority... after the people who chose that show as their Top Pick.
    This way, you'll have a better shot at the best seats at your Top Pick show. You will be seated further back at the other shows, but you'll have at least one show where your membership pays off.
    ...
    Here's my reasoning:
    In 1996, The Yield Tour... and the first one that was not General Admission... my 139 number got me in the Third Row. It was fucking GREAT!!!
    In 2003... I was lucky enough to pair up with a 68 member and ended up in the Third Row for those shows.
    In 2006, my same 139 Seniority number landed me in the 12th to 14th row.
    All GREAT Seats.
    I would be nice to be extremely close again... at least once.
    And the people with the higher numbers, who may only be able to afford one show, can be closer than me, depending on which show they pick.
    I think it would be fair to those with higher numbers.
    Like, if the kid whose hometown I travel to picks his hometown, HE should be closer than me. I don't mind.
    This will keep those with low numbers who travel to other cities to sit in the same close seats at every show. They can still go to all of the shows, but, they won't be up front for all of them. They will STILL get the front row at one show... but, will have to sit a fewer rows back for the people with higher numbers.
    I understand it is labor intensive to sort out... but, it would be fair for the entire Fan Club.
    ....
    And if you want TWO shows... pair up with another member and split the tickets... you give them your plus one for your Top Pick... they give you theirs. Just don't pick a show that is General Admission and you'll be fine.
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  • ajedigeckoajedigecko \m/deplorable af \m/ Posts: 2,430
    Cosmo wrote:
    Personally... I liked the one show policy.
    But, I also like the multiple show through the Ten/VHC method to get other shows, rather than having to deal with TicketMonster.
    Here's my proposal...
    You can buy as many shows as you want through the Fan Club.
    BUT... you must choose ONE show as your Top Pick.
    At that Top Pick show, you will be seated in order of Seniority. The people who didn't pick that show will be seated according to Seniority.
    All other shows you buy tickets for will be seated by Seniority... after the people who chose that show as their Top Pick.
    This way, you'll have a better shot at the best seats at your Top Pick show. You will be seated further back at the other shows, but you'll have at least one show where your membership pays off.
    ...
    Here's my reasoning:
    In 1996, The Yield Tour... and the first one that was not General Admission... my 139 number got me in the Third Row. It was fucking GREAT!!!
    In 2003... I was lucky enough to pair up with a 68 member and ended up in the Third Row for those shows.
    In 2006, my same 139 Seniority number landed me in the 12th to 14th row.
    All GREAT Seats.
    I would be nice to be extremely close again... at least once.
    And the people with the higher numbers, who may only be able to afford one show, can be closer than me, depending on which show they pick.
    I think it would be fair to those with higher numbers.
    Like, if the kid whose hometown I travel to picks his hometown, HE should be closer than me. I don't mind.
    This will keep those with low numbers who travel to other cities to sit in the same close seats at every show. They can still go to all of the shows, but, they won't be up front for all of them. They will STILL get the front row at one show... but, will have to sit a fewer rows back for the people with higher numbers.
    I understand it is labor intensive to sort out... but, it would be fair for the entire Fan Club.
    ....
    And if you want TWO shows... pair up with another member and split the tickets... you give them your plus one for your Top Pick... they give you theirs. Just don't pick a show that is General Admission and you'll be fine.
    sounds good.
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  • Get_RightGet_Right Posts: 13,432
    ajedigecko wrote:
    Cosmo wrote:
    Personally... I liked the one show policy.
    But, I also like the multiple show through the Ten/VHC method to get other shows, rather than having to deal with TicketMonster.
    Here's my proposal...
    You can buy as many shows as you want through the Fan Club.
    BUT... you must choose ONE show as your Top Pick.
    At that Top Pick show, you will be seated in order of Seniority. The people who didn't pick that show will be seated according to Seniority.
    All other shows you buy tickets for will be seated by Seniority... after the people who chose that show as their Top Pick.
    This way, you'll have a better shot at the best seats at your Top Pick show. You will be seated further back at the other shows, but you'll have at least one show where your membership pays off.
    ...
    Here's my reasoning:
    In 1996, The Yield Tour... and the first one that was not General Admission... my 139 number got me in the Third Row. It was fucking GREAT!!!
    In 2003... I was lucky enough to pair up with a 68 member and ended up in the Third Row for those shows.
    In 2006, my same 139 Seniority number landed me in the 12th to 14th row.
    All GREAT Seats.
    I would be nice to be extremely close again... at least once.
    And the people with the higher numbers, who may only be able to afford one show, can be closer than me, depending on which show they pick.
    I think it would be fair to those with higher numbers.
    Like, if the kid whose hometown I travel to picks his hometown, HE should be closer than me. I don't mind.
    This will keep those with low numbers who travel to other cities to sit in the same close seats at every show. They can still go to all of the shows, but, they won't be up front for all of them. They will STILL get the front row at one show... but, will have to sit a fewer rows back for the people with higher numbers.
    I understand it is labor intensive to sort out... but, it would be fair for the entire Fan Club.
    ....
    And if you want TWO shows... pair up with another member and split the tickets... you give them your plus one for your Top Pick... they give you theirs. Just don't pick a show that is General Admission and you'll be fine.
    sounds good.[/quote

    too much hassle for the 10c to administer that policy.

    First come first serve tickets (I don't like the idea of tickets being allotted behind closed doors, the dead used to due this and it reeked of favoritism), seniority seating and a lottery for the first 5 rows
    Everyone gets a chance to be upfront, and nobody's seniority is effected THAT much.
  • tubes10stubes10s Posts: 535
    JaneNY wrote:
    tubes10s wrote:
    so in the end we've got a really good thing going here folks. everyone needs to quit complaining and understand that we're all basically guaranteed good tickets to pearl jam shows every time that we want to go. the 10club puts in a lot of effort to make our ticket-buying experience as easy as possible. quit complaining because it also requires a little effort on your part as well to get the tickets that you want.

    You make a lot of good points and the random way is probably more fair, but I disagree with the 'requires a little more effort on your part to get the tickets you want'. In the current situation once one has put in an order for the opportunity to buy tickets, no amount of effort will ensure you get them. Effort on the part of the ticket buyer is irrelevant at that point because the process is random and the ticket buyer has no control over the process. It may be more fair, but just wanted to clear that up.


    i can see how i didn't write my post before clearly enough. i wasn't referring to the random ticket method when i said that it requires a little more effort. i meant to say that last summer's ticket sales method "requires a little more effort on your part to get the tickets you want." i don't think that this random ticket thing with the ed solo shows is more fair than last summer's full band tour method in any shape or form. last year, we were sent an email about an upcoming tour, and we all had plenty of time to plan to be prepared for a ticket sale at a given time. like many, i was at work during this given sales time, but since we were spoon-fed ticket sales times and instructions for how to properly use the website to buy tickets, i planned accordingly and got tickets for the shows that i wanted with very little effort. i think that last year's ticket method was fantastic, easy to use, and i even liked the random rows 1&2 and 9&10 idea (even though i didn't benefit from it.)


    i also think that one main thing that the folks who want to see seniority done away with are forgetting is that random seating for everyone may increase your chances of sitting up front... but at the same time, it's going to EQUALLY INCREASE your chances of getting a seat much much worse than what your fanclub seniority may have earned for you too. it doesn't sound like a lot of people are seeing that side of things.
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  • PegasusPegasus Posts: 3,754
    Terryible wrote:
    its a shit policy, i'm going to be in Honolulu at the same time as his shows but can't buy tickets

    not happy

    public onsale?
    i know it's not 10c....but there will be opportunities.

    and as i mentioned above, this is NOT the first time 10c has put 'limits' whether on quantity, or had to be a resident, etc. i remember irving plaza, had to be a NY resident with a specific 10c # or lower to buy very limited 10c tix. then there was the crazy tower records queue for the rest of us to try and score a free ticket with album purchase. :D it was awesome! so there is always a way!

    wasn;t the astoria gig a UK only resident gig? i thought there was some limit on it? maybe to europeans only? i can't recall. anyhoo, it's been a few times throughout their history......
    Astoria: there was about 10 pairs of 10c tickets (which turned out to be upstairs so not as good) to win (by CALLING the 10c) for UK members (though I'm pretty sure I heard someone non-UK got one) ...with less than 8 hours notice btw.
    I spent 1 hour with 2 phones on redial for nothing :roll:
    everything else was general sale, the very next day.
    I've never missed out on tickets through the online sales (and that means every single shows in 07 and 08, Vic included)..if you want you can.

    if they keep the EV system for PJ shows, I'm quitting the fan club (and probably US touring at least too since TM for multiple shows is a nightmare..well it is even for 1 show..).
    There'd be absolutely no point in paying every year for the 1 or 2 'chance' at a show (and if they forbid foreigners again, that'd be 1 chance every 3 years or less!).. and in Europe, being GA shows, I don't even really need 10c tickets.

    now I have an idea to help out those that only do the 1 show not being shut out:
    - have a pre-sale where you can pick a show, but 1 only.
    once you've bought from that pre-sale, that's it, you can't get in on the sales for more (so people doing multiple shows won't buy these). that sale could be staggered 1-2 show every hour on 1-2 day just so not everyone logs in at once if need be. It could be a proportion of the 10c ticket allocation.. maybe as much as 50%? (if it doesn't sell out, it rolls over to the normal 10c sale).
    - then the normal 10c sale happens, staggered over a few days like last time, where you can buy for as many shows as you want.
    Seniority would stay the same no matter which you bought (with the front rows lottery. I think this is, rightly, staying).

    I think it wouldn't be that much extra work for 10c, no more than a lottery anyway, and possibly less (home show seniority jump would be much more complicated to implement).
  • DercheefDercheef Germany Posts: 732
    Pegasus wrote:
    I've never missed out on tickets through the online sales (and that means every single shows in 07 and 08, Vic included)..if you want you can.

    if they keep the EV system for PJ shows, I'm quitting the fan club (and probably US touring at least too since TM for multiple shows is a nightmare..well it is even for 1 show..).
    There'd be absolutely no point in paying every year for the 1 or 2 'chance' at a show (and if they forbid foreigners again, that'd be 1 chance every 3 years or less!).. and in Europe, being GA shows, I don't even really need 10c tickets.
    Well said. I never missed out on Tickets or Posters at the online sales, too. But with the new system as a foreigner I don't even get a chance at tickets, which is very disappointing since I actually pay the 10c for the opportunity to buy those tickets. If they keep this policy up I'll probably quit the 10c too.
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  • HermanBloomHermanBloom Posts: 1,764
    i can see how i didn't write my post before clearly enough. i wasn't referring to the random ticket method when i said that it requires a little more effort. i meant to say that last summer's ticket sales method "requires a little more effort on your part to get the tickets you want." i don't think that this random ticket thing with the ed solo shows is more fair than last summer's full band tour method in any shape or form. last year, we were sent an email about an upcoming tour, and we all had plenty of time to plan to be prepared for a ticket sale at a given time. like many, i was at work during this given sales time, but since we were spoon-fed ticket sales times and instructions for how to properly use the website to buy tickets, i planned accordingly and got tickets for the shows that i wanted with very little effort. i think that last year's ticket method was fantastic, easy to use, and i even liked the random rows 1&2 and 9&10 idea (even though i didn't benefit from it.)


    i also think that one main thing that the folks who want to see seniority done away with are forgetting is that random seating for everyone may increase your chances of sitting up front... but at the same time, it's going to EQUALLY INCREASE your chances of getting a seat much much worse than what your fanclub seniority may have earned for you too. it doesn't sound like a lot of people are seeing that side of things.[/quote]
    Exactly; easy last year; this waiting is nonsense
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  • GJ59270GJ59270 Posts: 2
    Pegasus wrote:
    now I have an idea to help out those that only do the 1 show not being shut out:
    - have a pre-sale where you can pick a show, but 1 only.
    once you've bought from that pre-sale, that's it, you can't get in on the sales for more (so people doing multiple shows won't buy these). that sale could be staggered 1-2 show every hour on 1-2 day just so not everyone logs in at once if need be. It could be a proportion of the 10c ticket allocation.. maybe as much as 50%? (if it doesn't sell out, it rolls over to the normal 10c sale).

    Just take that one step further. Have a presale where each member can pick one show only. It will make getting tickets so much easier right off the bat because everyone has to pick their one show.

    So for the Ed shows... say they put 2 shows up every two hours like they've done in the past. They do it say Mon-Wed... then Thur&Fri they put up all shows that have extras and members can buy another show if they want or more.

    I just don't like that they've completely over-reacted to previous ticketing issues. Either limit sales to one show/member and put them up like they used to, or do a lottery but allow members to pick more shows since the odds of getting shut out are a lot better now than they were when tickets would go on sale.
  • decides2dreamdecides2dream Posts: 14,977
    Dercheef wrote:
    Pegasus wrote:
    I've never missed out on tickets through the online sales (and that means every single shows in 07 and 08, Vic included)..if you want you can.

    if they keep the EV system for PJ shows, I'm quitting the fan club (and probably US touring at least too since TM for multiple shows is a nightmare..well it is even for 1 show..).
    There'd be absolutely no point in paying every year for the 1 or 2 'chance' at a show (and if they forbid foreigners again, that'd be 1 chance every 3 years or less!).. and in Europe, being GA shows, I don't even really need 10c tickets.
    Well said. I never missed out on Tickets or Posters at the online sales, too. But with the new system as a foreigner I don't even get a chance at tickets, which is very disappointing since I actually pay the 10c for the opportunity to buy those tickets. If they keep this policy up I'll probably quit the 10c too.


    i don't think excluding people is anyone's idea to do ALL the time! as i mentioned, this is not the first time people have been excluded. if i recall correctly, one or more of the showbox shows were limited to WA residents, the benroya show was limited to residents only as well...the irving plaza gig was limited to manhattan residents with specific 10c #s, the astoria show limited to UK members, etc. i think with this very special, small venue shows...it's a-ok. obviously, for a full pj tour, the usual large venues, etc....there is NO need to limit tix at all.

    i too have never had problems scoring 10c tix to any pj show. my only shut out, ever.....was the EV solo shows in NYC last year. however, especially here in the US, shut-outs for pj shows have been quite common. and i do think the vic and the borgota shows, smaller venues that were open to all.....huge clusterfucks if i recall ( i didn't try for either, so i don't remember.) anyhoo.....i've been VERY lucky with 10c....but i can and do see how this 'random lottery' could well be a great idea too. it is difficult to plan to spend all day trying for tix for shows. the staggered sales are great for the servers....but not so great if you are trying to do so from work, and/or have to take off from work to try, etc. personally, i don't think this random system will be used for pj shows, only the ed shows...and perhaps in the future for other, small, pj shows. it does work.
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  • PegasusPegasus Posts: 3,754
    GJ59270 wrote:
    Pegasus wrote:
    now I have an idea to help out those that only do the 1 show not being shut out:
    - have a pre-sale where you can pick a show, but 1 only.
    once you've bought from that pre-sale, that's it, you can't get in on the sales for more (so people doing multiple shows won't buy these). that sale could be staggered 1-2 show every hour on 1-2 day just so not everyone logs in at once if need be. It could be a proportion of the 10c ticket allocation.. maybe as much as 50%? (if it doesn't sell out, it rolls over to the normal 10c sale).

    Just take that one step further. Have a presale where each member can pick one show only. It will make getting tickets so much easier right off the bat because everyone has to pick their one show.

    So for the Ed shows... say they put 2 shows up every two hours like they've done in the past. They do it say Mon-Wed... then Thur&Fri they put up all shows that have extras and members can buy another show if they want or more.

    I just don't like that they've completely over-reacted to previous ticketing issues. Either limit sales to one show/member and put them up like they used to, or do a lottery but allow members to pick more shows since the odds of getting shut out are a lot better now than they were when tickets would go on sale.
    the presale for 1-show attenders allows people that can only do 1 a better chance (which they wouldn't have with your system, at least not for popular places. but then unpopular ones are no problem to get anyway, Florida didn't sell out the 10c allocation last year) but doesn't screw up the people that do more than one.
  • JaneNYJaneNY Posts: 4,438
    tubes10s wrote:
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    i can see how i didn't write my post before clearly enough. i wasn't referring to the random ticket method when i said that it requires a little more effort. i meant to say that last summer's ticket sales method "requires a little more effort on your part to get the tickets you want." i don't think that this random ticket thing with the ed solo shows is more fair than last summer's full band tour method in any shape or form. last year, we were sent an email about an upcoming tour, and we all had plenty of time to plan to be prepared for a ticket sale at a given time. like many, i was at work during this given sales time, but since we were spoon-fed ticket sales times and instructions for how to properly use the website to buy tickets, i planned accordingly and got tickets for the shows that i wanted with very little effort. i think that last year's ticket method was fantastic, easy to use, and i even liked the random rows 1&2 and 9&10 idea (even though i didn't benefit from it.)

    Oh okay - I see what you're saying. I actually agree with you. I planned carefully ahead myself also. I didn't have a problem with how it went last year either, and thought the random rows 1&2, 9&10 were a good compromise to give less senior members a chance (I benefitted from it at one show!), while also still benefitting more senior members. I was trying to be more open-minded to the current system since that's what is happening, but last year's system was fine with me.
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  • samnationsamnation Los Angeles, CA Posts: 277
    Pegasus wrote:
    if they keep the EV system for PJ shows, I'm quitting the fan club (and probably US touring at least too since TM for multiple shows is a nightmare..well it is even for 1 show..).
    There'd be absolutely no point in paying every year for the 1 or 2 'chance' at a show (and if they forbid foreigners again, that'd be 1 chance every 3 years or less!).. and in Europe, being GA shows, I don't even really need 10c tickets.

    If you think about it you are only EVER given a "chance" at tickets. Ten Club never guarantees you a concert ticket. They can't. So all they can offer is the opportunity to buy a presale ticket. That's all they have ever offered you, regardless of the presale process used. And as several people have pointed out, there are many cities where everyone who wants a presale ticket usually doesn't have any problems getting them. It's only an issue in places like NYC, LA, etc. where they usually do multiple nights anyway. Or when it's a small venue. So there it's very likely your "chance" at a presale ticket would pay off regardless. However, I prefer a presale process that is more even and fair to everyone than the crazy, stress freakout it's been in the past.

    I'm 99% sure they will not cut out foreigners for future PJ tickets sales. And even if it's a GA show, I'd rather be competing for tickets with a couple hundred other members than several thousand non-members in the general public sale.
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  • Cosmo wrote:
    Personally... I liked the one show policy.
    But, I also like the multiple show through the Ten/VHC method to get other shows, rather than having to deal with TicketMonster.
    Here's my proposal...
    You can buy as many shows as you want through the Fan Club.
    BUT... you must choose ONE show as your Top Pick.
    At that Top Pick show, you will be seated in order of Seniority. The people who didn't pick that show will be seated according to Seniority.
    All other shows you buy tickets for will be seated by Seniority... after the people who chose that show as their Top Pick.
    This way, you'll have a better shot at the best seats at your Top Pick show. You will be seated further back at the other shows, but you'll have at least one show where your membership pays off.
    ...
    Here's my reasoning:
    In 1996, The Yield Tour... and the first one that was not General Admission... my 139 number got me in the Third Row. It was fucking GREAT!!!
    In 2003... I was lucky enough to pair up with a 68 member and ended up in the Third Row for those shows.
    In 2006, my same 139 Seniority number landed me in the 12th to 14th row.
    All GREAT Seats.
    I would be nice to be extremely close again... at least once.
    And the people with the higher numbers, who may only be able to afford one show, can be closer than me, depending on which show they pick.
    I think it would be fair to those with higher numbers.
    Like, if the kid whose hometown I travel to picks his hometown, HE should be closer than me. I don't mind.
    This will keep those with low numbers who travel to other cities to sit in the same close seats at every show. They can still go to all of the shows, but, they won't be up front for all of them. They will STILL get the front row at one show... but, will have to sit a fewer rows back for the people with higher numbers.
    I understand it is labor intensive to sort out... but, it would be fair for the entire Fan Club.
    ....
    And if you want TWO shows... pair up with another member and split the tickets... you give them your plus one for your Top Pick... they give you theirs. Just don't pick a show that is General Admission and you'll be fine.
    Yea, I think this would be a great way to handle the Fan Club ticket policy.
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  • ECMECM Posts: 1,687
    here my solution....

    Don't play at MSG, then there is no need for a "solution"... ;)

    the system is fine we had last year, the servers worked great for the east coast tour and there is random seating for the rows 1, 2, 9 and 10......
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  • pjbugs007pjbugs007 Posts: 1,291
    whats good Evil!!
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