great ticket policy

ajedigecko

pjsteelerfan wrote:

ajedigecko wrote:

Bravejamriot wrote:

Great for Ed, this is too constricting for Pearl Jam Shows. Although I agree it is good for people who can't be online at the exact moment tix are on sale.

i think it would be good for pj shows as well..............the limit of one show per fan concept. this would allow more people to attend shows via their club number and not be shut out.

who knows.

Again, I am curious, is this just because of the Vic and MSG? Those were the only two shows I saw that were hard to get tickets to in the last few tours. All others were available for a while.

honestly.....i do not have a specific show to equate my decision to, i simply like the process.

Chazz

pjsteelerfan wrote:

ajedigecko wrote:

Bravejamriot wrote:

Great for Ed, this is too constricting for Pearl Jam Shows. Although I agree it is good for people who can't be online at the exact moment tix are on sale.

i think it would be good for pj shows as well..............the limit of one show per fan concept. this would allow more people to attend shows via their club number and not be shut out.

who knows.

Again, I am curious, is this just because of the Vic and MSG? Those were the only two shows I saw that were hard to get tickets to in the last few tours. All others were available for a while.

Add Wembley 07 to those shows - bloody nightmare :roll:

uglybabo

decides2dream wrote:

uglybabo wrote:

Using round numbers, if Pearl Jam is playing an arena in your city and there are 1000 fan club seats available then 500 people will get those seats.

The new policy is a much calmer way of handling sales. The old way, those 500 people may have to book time off work on the onsale date, hope the sever doesn't crash and maybe get seats. Now you can enter anytime over the next two days and just wait.

There will still be complaints for the show in high demand, that won't change, because some will be shut out. But in actuality, for the popular shows it was a lottery system before and it remains a lottery system. Just now everyone is on more equal footing.

exactly!
i think it's awesome!


it really sucks to call out sick to just try for tix, even if you get em.....and the absolute STRESS of getting em! then for those shut out...it hurts doubly so! definitely levels it out some. it's sad, but the days of unlimited fanclub seats are gone...so for popular gigs/venues, there will always be shortages of 10c seats. this really makes it more pleasnat, and truly lucky!

You're right. Skipping work and getting tickets you feel 'that was worth it.' If you're shut out you wasted a holiday.

It would be nice, now that ticketmaster limits the number of fanclub seats, if the 10 club could set up a pre-sale oppourtunity for those who are shut out. Maybe not for the Vedder shows beacuse of venue size, but for the amphitheatres and arenas it would be a nice consolation prize.

soulsinging

decides2dream wrote:

while i agree it could be used gfor SOME pj shows....small venues, 10c only shows, etc...i don't think it would work for all. someone else mentioned it elsewhere, and quite true: pj does NOT sell out all their 10c tix everywhere. even perhaps regular tix may not be total sellouts at all venues, thus why they leave it open for people to buy multiple shows, travel, etc. i don't see that changing. some select few shows, sure. they've also limited shows by being residents of the state of the show i think for a showbox show once?.....did a lottery type dealie for beneroya? my memory is fuzzy. anyhoo....definitely a workable idea for many shows, just definitely not ALL imo.

That's why the idea I floated earlier was that you get to pick one show that your seniority gets used at, and there's a round of ticket sales. Then, once all the members interested got their tickets to a single show, you open up whatever's left on a first come, first serve basis. That way you mix up who's up front every night, everyone that wants fan club tickets gets them for at least one show, and people wanting to do multiple shows still have ample opportunity to purchase fan club tickets to them.

wescaddle16

What a joke!...what happened to being loyal to those being loyal to you?...been in ten club since 97 because of many reasons, one of them is the seniority with membership #'s...Suddenly a few newbie fans buy memberships and then complain about not being close to the band...those are the breaks kids, you should have joined earlier, so wait your turn and be patient...

decides2dream

soulsinging wrote:

decides2dream wrote:

while i agree it could be used gfor SOME pj shows....small venues, 10c only shows, etc...i don't think it would work for all. someone else mentioned it elsewhere, and quite true: pj does NOT sell out all their 10c tix everywhere. even perhaps regular tix may not be total sellouts at all venues, thus why they leave it open for people to buy multiple shows, travel, etc. i don't see that changing. some select few shows, sure. they've also limited shows by being residents of the state of the show i think for a showbox show once?.....did a lottery type dealie for beneroya? my memory is fuzzy. anyhoo....definitely a workable idea for many shows, just definitely not ALL imo.

That's why the idea I floated earlier was that you get to pick one show that your seniority gets used at, and there's a round of ticket sales. Then, once all the members interested got their tickets to a single show, you open up whatever's left on a first come, first serve basis. That way you mix up who's up front every night, everyone that wants fan club tickets gets them for at least one show, and people wanting to do multiple shows still have ample opportunity to purchase fan club tickets to them.

that idea has been bandied about many times, and i too like it. however, THIS sale is even better in the fact that you don't have to sit in front of a computer all day refreshing, watching the server crash, losing tickets, getting frustrated, etc. you get to put in your choice and then later wait and see if you hit the 'lottery'....waaayyyy less stress and i think a lot more fair! definitely could easily incorporate the seniorty one show only idea.....or simply stick to the 'lottery' they used last tour in regards to seating, coupled with a 10c lottery to even score tix. i just appreciate that 10c/pearl jam do seem to listen and 'learn' to some degree, each tour, tweaking the system for the betterment of the fans experiences. i DO love to travel to shows, and definitely like having 10c tix to em....but a lottery to score tix and another lottery for seating...all cool with me, whatevr works and can bring the most happiness to the biggest # of fans! only thing is to be sure to have this all set in motion/chosen before public onsales and well enough in advance for those making travel plans, etc. however....seems totally doable........

uglybabo

wescaddle16 wrote:

What a joke!...what happened to being loyal to those being loyal to you?...been in ten club since 97 because of many reasons, one of them is the seniority with membership #'s...Suddenly a few newbie fans buy memberships and then complain about not being close to the band...those are the breaks kids, you should have joined earlier, so wait your turn and be patient...

Seniority didn't apply for the solo shows last year either.

InMyTree4

i have to say im not a fan of the ticket system...i like the mad rush!

Sharon_Hearts_PJ

wescaddle16 wrote:

What a joke!...what happened to being loyal to those being loyal to you?...been in ten club since 97 because of many reasons, one of them is the seniority with membership #'s...Suddenly a few newbie fans buy memberships and then complain about not being close to the band...those are the breaks kids, you should have joined earlier, so wait your turn and be patient...

A) This is Ed, not PJ. 10c is for PJ.
Who is "new" and complaining about not being close? Did I miss something? The people complaining are doing so because this puts such a very severe limit on who can even get tickets, not where they sit.

BeerBaron

ajedigecko wrote:

well said...........and i have a really low number, i only care about going to 1 show per tour.

That is because you only want to go to one show. If you wanted to go to 3 or 5 or 10 you would think differently.

Ariel007

wescaddle16 wrote:

What a joke!...what happened to being loyal to those being loyal to you?...been in ten club since 97 because of many reasons, one of them is the seniority with membership #'s...Suddenly a few newbie fans buy memberships and then complain about not being close to the band...those are the breaks kids, you should have joined earlier, so wait your turn and be patient...

lol, wake up. An unpaid membership isn't going to keep ten club going :roll:

decides2dream

Sharon_Hearts_PJ wrote:

wescaddle16 wrote:

What a joke!...what happened to being loyal to those being loyal to you?...been in ten club since 97 because of many reasons, one of them is the seniority with membership #'s...Suddenly a few newbie fans buy memberships and then complain about not being close to the band...those are the breaks kids, you should have joined earlier, so wait your turn and be patient...

A) This is Ed, not PJ. 10c is for PJ.
Who is "new" and complaining about not being close? Did I miss something? The people complaining are doing so because this puts such a very severe limit on who can even get tickets, not where they sit.

exactly.



also, it's a time suck....some have 'advantage' by having better internet connections, being more computer savvy, being able to be here all times of day, etc, etc. i've been very, very lucky with scoring 10c tix in the past - except for ed solo - but evenso.


and just an fyi - the 'arguement' back and forth over seniority has gone on and on...but cmon folks, you early joiners didn't do it for 'seniority' b/c it didn't exist until the 2000 tour! SOOOOO many changes have occurred with tix, seniority, lottery, etc....almost every tour, some little tweaks made. the *only* thing any of us were ever promised by 10c was the CHANCE at tix before the public, and on that, they have never wavered......


anyhooo....this thread isn't about seniority, is it? at least i didn't think so. just about if you like this lottery shot at 10c tix, and i say yes! i definitely like it for EV, especially after his last shows.....

soulsinging

BeerBaron wrote:

ajedigecko wrote:

well said...........and i have a really low number, i only care about going to 1 show per tour.

That is because you only want to go to one show. If you wanted to go to 3 or 5 or 10 you would think differently.

Yeah, it would be awful to have to sit in the 15th row for 2 or 4 or 9 shows after sitting in the 1st row for one show. You'd be with all those newbie peasants... eww! You should get to sit front row EVERY show and those fuckers should sit row 15 every night and shut the fuck up and stop wondering what it's like in the front row and accept that they'll never get to find out.

By the way, do you have any greeey poupon?

BeerBaron

soulsinging wrote:

BeerBaron wrote:

ajedigecko wrote:

well said...........and i have a really low number, i only care about going to 1 show per tour.

That is because you only want to go to one show. If you wanted to go to 3 or 5 or 10 you would think differently.

Yeah, it would be awful to have to sit in the 15th row for 2 or 4 or 9 shows after sitting in the 1st row for one show. You'd be with all those newbie peasants... eww! You should get to sit front row EVERY show and those fuckers should sit row 15 every night and shut the fuck up and stop wondering what it's like in the front row and accept that they'll never get to find out.

By the way, do you have any greeey poupon?

He said he only wants to go to ONE SHOW with his low 10C number. So why would he care if the ticketing system for future tours limits him to one show while increasing the chances of even better seats at that show? He wouldn't, in fact he would PREFER that because it better serves him.

Now that I re-read your little rant, I am not entirely sure what you are saying, if you are being sarcastic or who you are talking to (me or him). Regardless, that is my point

soulsinging

decides2dream wrote:

and just an fyi - the 'arguement' back and forth over seniority has gone on and on...but cmon folks, you early joiners didn't do it for 'seniority' b/c it didn't exist until the 2000 tour!

That's an excellent point that I always fail to remember. I remember my mail order form in 98 where I got to pick one show to get fan club tickets to, period. And there was no seniority on that seat.

Hell, in the system I'm talking about, leftover seats could also be done on seniority. Or top choice selection. There's plenty of ways to give some benefit to seniority that doesn't necessitate putting the same fans in the first 10 rows every single night of every single tour.

soulsinging

BeerBaron wrote:

soulsinging wrote:

Yeah, it would be awful to have to sit in the 15th row for 2 or 4 or 9 shows after sitting in the 1st row for one show. You'd be with all those newbie peasants... eww! You should get to sit front row EVERY show and those fuckers should sit row 15 every night and shut the fuck up and stop wondering what it's like in the front row and accept that they'll never get to find out.

By the way, do you have any greeey poupon?

He said he only wants to go to ONE SHOW with his low 10C number. So why would he care if the ticketing system for future tours limits him to one show while increasing the chances of even better seats at that show? He wouldn't, in fact he would PREFER that because it better serves him.

Now that I re-read your little rant, I am not entirely sure what you are saying, if you are being sarcastic or who you are talking to (me or him). Regardless, that is my point

I only go to one or two shows per tour, and I also have a comparably low number. In the past, I have done some traveling/touring for shows as well. It doesn't affect my views on this. If I went to 10 shows, I'd still like my system because I generally think it's a crock of shit that the same people get the primo seats every single night and everyone else has no hope to ever move up unless someone dies. That's lame. Under my system, seniority still matters. You still get to right up front one night, and then for round two, you get the best seats of what's left after the local people get their one show of great seats. So yeah, you sit in row 15 most nights and row 1 that one night. Cry me a river. I find it hard to feel your pain when there are a lot of people that will never get above row 30 while you sit row 1 every single night. Under my system, those people get to sit in row 14 and are probably fucking thrilled about it, and you have the gall to be one row behind bitching about being in row 15 instead of the front?

Ariel007

soulsinging wrote:

BeerBaron wrote:

ajedigecko wrote:

well said...........and i have a really low number, i only care about going to 1 show per tour.

That is because you only want to go to one show. If you wanted to go to 3 or 5 or 10 you would think differently.

Yeah, it would be awful to have to sit in the 15th row for 2 or 4 or 9 shows after sitting in the 1st row for one show. You'd be with all those newbie peasants... eww! You should get to sit front row EVERY show and those fuckers should sit row 15 every night and shut the fuck up and stop wondering what it's like in the front row and accept that they'll never get to find out.

polaris_x

soulsinging wrote:

decides2dream wrote:

and just an fyi - the 'arguement' back and forth over seniority has gone on and on...but cmon folks, you early joiners didn't do it for 'seniority' b/c it didn't exist until the 2000 tour!

That's an excellent point that I always fail to remember. I remember my mail order form in 98 where I got to pick one show to get fan club tickets to, period. And there was no seniority on that seat.

Hell, in the system I'm talking about, leftover seats could also be done on seniority. Or top choice selection. There's plenty of ways to give some benefit to seniority that doesn't necessitate putting the same fans in the first 10 rows every single night of every single tour.

i think i recall a lot of shows back then were also GA for 10c so, it didn't matter about seniority

samnation

decides2dream wrote:

while i agree it could be used gfor SOME pj shows....small venues, 10c only shows, etc...i don't think it would work for all. someone else mentioned it elsewhere, and quite true: pj does NOT sell out all their 10c tix everywhere. even perhaps regular tix may not be total sellouts at all venues, thus why they leave it open for people to buy multiple shows, travel, etc. i don't see that changing. some select few shows, sure. they've also limited shows by being residents of the state of the show i think for a showbox show once?.....did a lottery type dealie for beneroya? my memory is fuzzy. anyhoo....definitely a workable idea for many shows, just definitely not ALL imo.

I'm not following why this lottery process would NOT be good for all PJ shows, assuming that the one show limit and no seniority is just an EV thing.

As you said, PJ does NOT sell out all their 10C tix everywhere. So chances are the lottery system would not only give most people the tickets they wanted, it would solve the other issues people so often have complained about - crashing servers/carts, selling out in 5 seconds while some members couldn't get in, etc. I think this is a lot more reasonable and fair to everyone. And lots of other touring bands use it all the time.

BeerBaron

soulsinging wrote:

I only go to one or two shows per tour, and I also have a comparably low number. In the past, I have done some traveling/touring for shows as well. It doesn't affect my views on this. If I went to 10 shows, I'd still like my system because I generally think it's a crock of shit that the same people get the primo seats every single night and everyone else has no hope to ever move up unless someone dies. That's lame. Under my system, seniority still matters. You still get to right up front one night, and then for round two, you get the best seats of what's left after the local people get their one show of great seats. So yeah, you sit in row 15 most nights and row 1 that one night. Cry me a river. I find it hard to feel your pain when there are a lot of people that will never get above row 30 while you sit row 1 every single night. Under my system, those people get to sit in row 14 and are probably fucking thrilled about it, and you have the gall to be one row behind bitching about being in row 15 instead of the front?

Fair enough. That is a good point, it just wasn't clear to me when I read your initial post