What a joke!...what happened to being loyal to those being loyal to you?...been in ten club since 97 because of many reasons, one of them is the seniority with membership #'s...Suddenly a few newbie fans buy memberships and then complain about not being close to the band...those are the breaks kids, you should have joined earlier, so wait your turn and be patient...
lol, wake up. An unpaid membership isn't going to keep ten club going :roll:
What a joke!...what happened to being loyal to those being loyal to you?...been in ten club since 97 because of many reasons, one of them is the seniority with membership #'s...Suddenly a few newbie fans buy memberships and then complain about not being close to the band...those are the breaks kids, you should have joined earlier, so wait your turn and be patient...
A) This is Ed, not PJ. 10c is for PJ. Who is "new" and complaining about not being close? Did I miss something? The people complaining are doing so because this puts such a very severe limit on who can even get tickets, not where they sit.
exactly.
also, it's a time suck....some have 'advantage' by having better internet connections, being more computer savvy, being able to be here all times of day, etc, etc. i've been very, very lucky with scoring 10c tix in the past - except for ed solo - but evenso.
and just an fyi - the 'arguement' back and forth over seniority has gone on and on...but cmon folks, you early joiners didn't do it for 'seniority' b/c it didn't exist until the 2000 tour! SOOOOO many changes have occurred with tix, seniority, lottery, etc....almost every tour, some little tweaks made. the *only* thing any of us were ever promised by 10c was the CHANCE at tix before the public, and on that, they have never wavered......
anyhooo....this thread isn't about seniority, is it? at least i didn't think so. just about if you like this lottery shot at 10c tix, and i say yes! i definitely like it for EV, especially after his last shows.....
well said...........and i have a really low number, i only care about going to 1 show per tour.
That is because you only want to go to one show. If you wanted to go to 3 or 5 or 10 you would think differently.
Yeah, it would be awful to have to sit in the 15th row for 2 or 4 or 9 shows after sitting in the 1st row for one show. You'd be with all those newbie peasants... eww! You should get to sit front row EVERY show and those fuckers should sit row 15 every night and shut the fuck up and stop wondering what it's like in the front row and accept that they'll never get to find out.
well said...........and i have a really low number, i only care about going to 1 show per tour.
That is because you only want to go to one show. If you wanted to go to 3 or 5 or 10 you would think differently.
Yeah, it would be awful to have to sit in the 15th row for 2 or 4 or 9 shows after sitting in the 1st row for one show. You'd be with all those newbie peasants... eww! You should get to sit front row EVERY show and those fuckers should sit row 15 every night and shut the fuck up and stop wondering what it's like in the front row and accept that they'll never get to find out.
By the way, do you have any greeey poupon?
He said he only wants to go to ONE SHOW with his low 10C number. So why would he care if the ticketing system for future tours limits him to one show while increasing the chances of even better seats at that show? He wouldn't, in fact he would PREFER that because it better serves him.
Now that I re-read your little rant, I am not entirely sure what you are saying, if you are being sarcastic or who you are talking to (me or him). Regardless, that is my point
1996: Toronto
1998: Barrie
2000: Saratoga Springs
2003: Buffalo, Toronto
2005: Kitchener, London, Hamilton, Montreal, Ottawa, Toronto
2006: Toronto x2, Cleveland, Detroit, Pittsburgh, Cincinnati, Gorge #1
2007: London, Dusseldorf, Vic, Lolla
2008: WPB, Tampa, DC, MSG x2, Hartford, Boston x2, Beacon
2009: Toronto, Chicago x2, Seattle x2, LA #3&4, San Diego, Philly x4
2010: Cleveland, Buffalo, Hartford
2011: Montreal, Toronto x2, Hamilton
2012: Missoula
2013: London, Wrigley, Pittsburgh, Buffalo, Hartford, Dallas, OKC
and just an fyi - the 'arguement' back and forth over seniority has gone on and on...but cmon folks, you early joiners didn't do it for 'seniority' b/c it didn't exist until the 2000 tour!
That's an excellent point that I always fail to remember. I remember my mail order form in 98 where I got to pick one show to get fan club tickets to, period. And there was no seniority on that seat.
Hell, in the system I'm talking about, leftover seats could also be done on seniority. Or top choice selection. There's plenty of ways to give some benefit to seniority that doesn't necessitate putting the same fans in the first 10 rows every single night of every single tour.
Yeah, it would be awful to have to sit in the 15th row for 2 or 4 or 9 shows after sitting in the 1st row for one show. You'd be with all those newbie peasants... eww! You should get to sit front row EVERY show and those fuckers should sit row 15 every night and shut the fuck up and stop wondering what it's like in the front row and accept that they'll never get to find out.
By the way, do you have any greeey poupon?
He said he only wants to go to ONE SHOW with his low 10C number. So why would he care if the ticketing system for future tours limits him to one show while increasing the chances of even better seats at that show? He wouldn't, in fact he would PREFER that because it better serves him.
Now that I re-read your little rant, I am not entirely sure what you are saying, if you are being sarcastic or who you are talking to (me or him). Regardless, that is my point
I only go to one or two shows per tour, and I also have a comparably low number. In the past, I have done some traveling/touring for shows as well. It doesn't affect my views on this. If I went to 10 shows, I'd still like my system because I generally think it's a crock of shit that the same people get the primo seats every single night and everyone else has no hope to ever move up unless someone dies. That's lame. Under my system, seniority still matters. You still get to right up front one night, and then for round two, you get the best seats of what's left after the local people get their one show of great seats. So yeah, you sit in row 15 most nights and row 1 that one night. Cry me a river. I find it hard to feel your pain when there are a lot of people that will never get above row 30 while you sit row 1 every single night. Under my system, those people get to sit in row 14 and are probably fucking thrilled about it, and you have the gall to be one row behind bitching about being in row 15 instead of the front?
well said...........and i have a really low number, i only care about going to 1 show per tour.
That is because you only want to go to one show. If you wanted to go to 3 or 5 or 10 you would think differently.
Yeah, it would be awful to have to sit in the 15th row for 2 or 4 or 9 shows after sitting in the 1st row for one show. You'd be with all those newbie peasants... eww! You should get to sit front row EVERY show and those fuckers should sit row 15 every night and shut the fuck up and stop wondering what it's like in the front row and accept that they'll never get to find out.
and just an fyi - the 'arguement' back and forth over seniority has gone on and on...but cmon folks, you early joiners didn't do it for 'seniority' b/c it didn't exist until the 2000 tour!
That's an excellent point that I always fail to remember. I remember my mail order form in 98 where I got to pick one show to get fan club tickets to, period. And there was no seniority on that seat.
Hell, in the system I'm talking about, leftover seats could also be done on seniority. Or top choice selection. There's plenty of ways to give some benefit to seniority that doesn't necessitate putting the same fans in the first 10 rows every single night of every single tour.
i think i recall a lot of shows back then were also GA for 10c so, it didn't matter about seniority
while i agree it could be used gfor SOME pj shows....small venues, 10c only shows, etc...i don't think it would work for all. someone else mentioned it elsewhere, and quite true: pj does NOT sell out all their 10c tix everywhere. even perhaps regular tix may not be total sellouts at all venues, thus why they leave it open for people to buy multiple shows, travel, etc. i don't see that changing. some select few shows, sure. they've also limited shows by being residents of the state of the show i think for a showbox show once?.....did a lottery type dealie for beneroya? my memory is fuzzy. anyhoo....definitely a workable idea for many shows, just definitely not ALL imo.
I'm not following why this lottery process would NOT be good for all PJ shows, assuming that the one show limit and no seniority is just an EV thing.
As you said, PJ does NOT sell out all their 10C tix everywhere. So chances are the lottery system would not only give most people the tickets they wanted, it would solve the other issues people so often have complained about - crashing servers/carts, selling out in 5 seconds while some members couldn't get in, etc. I think this is a lot more reasonable and fair to everyone. And lots of other touring bands use it all the time.
I only go to one or two shows per tour, and I also have a comparably low number. In the past, I have done some traveling/touring for shows as well. It doesn't affect my views on this. If I went to 10 shows, I'd still like my system because I generally think it's a crock of shit that the same people get the primo seats every single night and everyone else has no hope to ever move up unless someone dies. That's lame. Under my system, seniority still matters. You still get to right up front one night, and then for round two, you get the best seats of what's left after the local people get their one show of great seats. So yeah, you sit in row 15 most nights and row 1 that one night. Cry me a river. I find it hard to feel your pain when there are a lot of people that will never get above row 30 while you sit row 1 every single night. Under my system, those people get to sit in row 14 and are probably fucking thrilled about it, and you have the gall to be one row behind bitching about being in row 15 instead of the front?
Fair enough. That is a good point, it just wasn't clear to me when I read your initial post
1996: Toronto
1998: Barrie
2000: Saratoga Springs
2003: Buffalo, Toronto
2005: Kitchener, London, Hamilton, Montreal, Ottawa, Toronto
2006: Toronto x2, Cleveland, Detroit, Pittsburgh, Cincinnati, Gorge #1
2007: London, Dusseldorf, Vic, Lolla
2008: WPB, Tampa, DC, MSG x2, Hartford, Boston x2, Beacon
2009: Toronto, Chicago x2, Seattle x2, LA #3&4, San Diego, Philly x4
2010: Cleveland, Buffalo, Hartford
2011: Montreal, Toronto x2, Hamilton
2012: Missoula
2013: London, Wrigley, Pittsburgh, Buffalo, Hartford, Dallas, OKC
Yeah, it would be awful to have to sit in the 15th row for 2 or 4 or 9 shows after sitting in the 1st row for one show. You'd be with all those newbie peasants... eww! You should get to sit front row EVERY show and those fuckers should sit row 15 every night and shut the fuck up and stop wondering what it's like in the front row and accept that they'll never get to find out.
By the way, do you have any greeey poupon?
He said he only wants to go to ONE SHOW with his low 10C number. So why would he care if the ticketing system for future tours limits him to one show while increasing the chances of even better seats at that show? He wouldn't, in fact he would PREFER that because it better serves him.
Now that I re-read your little rant, I am not entirely sure what you are saying, if you are being sarcastic or who you are talking to (me or him). Regardless, that is my point
I only go to one or two shows per tour, and I also have a comparably low number. In the past, I have done some traveling/touring for shows as well. It doesn't affect my views on this. If I went to 10 shows, I'd still like my system because I generally think it's a crock of shit that the same people get the primo seats every single night and everyone else has no hope to ever move up unless someone dies. That's lame. Under my system, seniority still matters. You still get to right up front one night, and then for round two, you get the best seats of what's left after the local people get their one show of great seats. So yeah, you sit in row 15 most nights and row 1 that one night. Cry me a river. I find it hard to feel your pain when there are a lot of people that will never get above row 30 while you sit row 1 every single night. Under my system, those people get to sit in row 14 and are probably fucking thrilled about it, and you have the gall to be one row behind bitching about being in row 15 instead of the front?
are you aware of the lottery system put in place last pj tour 2008? it was AWESOME!
first 2 rows and rows 9 and 10 were completely randomly chosen.....all other 10c seats according to seniority. it was GREAT. i think that, coupled perhaps with a lottery to even SCORE tix, would be great for all.
samnation the lottery WOULD be great for all shows....i meant only meant the one show per tour limit wouldn't be. sorry if that was unclear.
This system makes sense for the Ed solo shows given the small venues and limited fan club tickets. But it makes NO SENSE whatsoever for PJ shows in arenas and ampitheatres.
+1
"I'm not present, I'm a drug that makes you dream"
are you aware of the lottery system put in place last pj tour 2008? it was AWESOME!
first 2 rows and rows 9 and 10 were completely randomly chosen.....all other 10c seats according to seniority. it was GREAT. i think that, coupled perhaps with a lottery to even SCORE tix, would be great for all.
samnation the lottery WOULD be great for all shows....i meant only meant the one show per tour limit wouldn't be. sorry if that was unclear.
I heard about it, but didn't go to any shows in 08. It's definitely an improvement, but only if you get lucky. And I DO understand why seniority is valued. But the system I'm proposing moves EVERYBODY up, not just the lottery winners. And the people with seniority would still get the best seats one night a tour, and then very, very good seats every other night of the tour.
I'm not sure I'm explaining what I have in mind for a general PJ tour. I'll try it again.
There are TWO rounds of sales.
Round 1:
- Like what's going on with Ed's shows now, you pick one show (and maybe a back up) that you want tickets for. There's a lottery to see who gets tickets. However, I'm willing to bet that in an arena show where there are lots of seats available, pretty much everybody is going to get tickets to their top choice, or at least their back up. Places like MSG have had problems in the past because everyone on the east coast comes to town for the show... that doesn't happen in this system, because many of them are probably bidding on their hometown shows.
- Those tickets are distributed based on seniority, or if you want to do the mix up from 08, that's fine too.
Round 2:
- Whatever seats are left in fan club sections that weren't bought in round one can be bid on by anyone, as many different shows as they want.
- People are selected for those seats by random lottery.
- Lottery winners get seats based on either seniority or random lottery.
Pros:
- Everyone moves up. The people that always log jam the first 10 rows are limited to one show where they do that. So the folks that used to be kept to row 30 get to move up to row 10 or maybe even better.
- Seniority does still matter. You still get the best seat in the house based on your number for your first choice show. In fact, it's probably even better than it used to be because there was less competition for each individual show. And for the other shows you get tickets to, you get the best seats of what's left after the people that made the show their top choice are accommodated.
- Everyone is basically guaranteed a good ten club seat to one show every tour. No more problems of some people getting the best seats to every show while others are shut out of the fan club section completely at multiple shows.
Cons:
- The people used to getting in the first 10 rows every night only get that for one night. Then they move back for their other shows, though they are still in better shape than most people would have been under the old system.
- You might not get fan club tickets to every single show you want. But this apparently was the case at MSG in 08 anyway and at least it's decided fairly at random rather than being decided by who has the most computer savvy, best internet connection, and the most friends to help them log in.
are you aware of the lottery system put in place last pj tour 2008? it was AWESOME!
first 2 rows and rows 9 and 10 were completely randomly chosen.....all other 10c seats according to seniority. it was GREAT. i think that, coupled perhaps with a lottery to even SCORE tix, would be great for all.
samnation the lottery WOULD be great for all shows....i meant only meant the one show per tour limit wouldn't be. sorry if that was unclear.
I heard about it, but didn't go to any shows in 08. It's definitely an improvement, but only if you get lucky. And I DO understand why seniority is valued. But the system I'm proposing moves EVERYBODY up, not just the lottery winners. And the people with seniority would still get the best seats one night a tour, and then very, very good seats every other night of the tour.
I'm not sure I'm explaining what I have in mind for a general PJ tour. I'll try it again.
There are TWO rounds of sales.
Round 1:
- Like what's going on with Ed's shows now, you pick one show (and maybe a back up) that you want tickets for. There's a lottery to see who gets tickets. However, I'm willing to bet that in an arena show where there are lots of seats available, pretty much everybody is going to get tickets to their top choice, or at least their back up. Places like MSG have had problems in the past because everyone on the east coast comes to town for the show... that doesn't happen in this system, because many of them are probably bidding on their hometown shows.
- Those tickets are distributed based on seniority, or if you want to do the mix up from 08, that's fine too.
Round 2:
- Whatever seats are left in fan club sections can be bid on by anyone, in as many quantities as they want.
- People are selected for those seats by random lottery.
- Lottery winners get seats based on either seniority or random lottery.
Pros:
- Everyone moves up. The people that always log jam the first 10 rows are limited to one show where they do that. So the folks that used to be kept to row 30 get to move up to row 10 or maybe even better.
- Seniority does still matter. You still get the best seat in the house based on your number for your first choice show. In fact, it's probably even better than it used to be because there was less competition for each individual show. And for the other shows you get tickets to, you get the best seats of what's left after the people that made the show their top choice are accommodated.
Cons:
- The people used to getting in the first 10 rows every night only get that for one night. Then they move back for their other shows, though they are still in better shape than most people would have been under the old system.
- You might not get fan club tickets to every single show you want. But this apparently was the case at MSG in 08 anyway and at least it's decided fairly at random rather than being decided by who has the most computer savvy, best internet connection, and the most friends to help them log in.
And what about if you pick a show, say MSG or in NYC area, and you are normally 30 rows back anyway, and you only move up 5 rows since it is still popular and then what? If you go to another show you are basically in the same spot.
...got a mind full of questions and a teacher in my soul...
This system makes sense for the Ed solo shows given the small venues and limited fan club tickets. But it makes NO SENSE whatsoever for PJ shows in arenas and ampitheatres.
Could agree more! The only area that seems impacted with 10C ticket requests for regular PJ shows is the Northeast...
are you aware of the lottery system put in place last pj tour 2008? it was AWESOME!
first 2 rows and rows 9 and 10 were completely randomly chosen.....all other 10c seats according to seniority. it was GREAT. i think that, coupled perhaps with a lottery to even SCORE tix, would be great for all.
samnation the lottery WOULD be great for all shows....i meant only meant the one show per tour limit wouldn't be. sorry if that was unclear.
I heard about it, but didn't go to any shows in 08. It's definitely an improvement, but only if you get lucky. And I DO understand why seniority is valued. But the system I'm proposing moves EVERYBODY up, not just the lottery winners. And the people with seniority would still get the best seats one night a tour, and then very, very good seats every other night of the tour.
I'm not sure I'm explaining what I have in mind for a general PJ tour. I'll try it again.
There are TWO rounds of sales.
Round 1:
- Like what's going on with Ed's shows now, you pick one show (and maybe a back up) that you want tickets for. There's a lottery to see who gets tickets. However, I'm willing to bet that in an arena show where there are lots of seats available, pretty much everybody is going to get tickets to their top choice, or at least their back up. Places like MSG have had problems in the past because everyone on the east coast comes to town for the show... that doesn't happen in this system, because many of them are probably bidding on their hometown shows.
- Those tickets are distributed based on seniority, or if you want to do the mix up from 08, that's fine too.
Round 2:
- Whatever seats are left in fan club sections can be bid on by anyone, in as many quantities as they want.
- People are selected for those seats by random lottery.
- Lottery winners get seats based on either seniority or random lottery.
Pros:
- Everyone moves up. The people that always log jam the first 10 rows are limited to one show where they do that. So the folks that used to be kept to row 30 get to move up to row 10 or maybe even better.
- Seniority does still matter. You still get the best seat in the house based on your number for your first choice show. In fact, it's probably even better than it used to be because there was less competition for each individual show. And for the other shows you get tickets to, you get the best seats of what's left after the people that made the show their top choice are accommodated.
Cons:
- The people used to getting in the first 10 rows every night only get that for one night. Then they move back for their other shows, though they are still in better shape than most people would have been under the old system.
- You might not get fan club tickets to every single show you want. But this apparently was the case at MSG in 08 anyway and at least it's decided fairly at random rather than being decided by who has the most computer savvy, best internet connection, and the most friends to help them log in.
And what about if you pick a show, say MSG or in NYC area, and you are normally 30 rows back anyway, and you only move up 5 rows since it is still popular and then what? If you go to another show you are basically in the same spot.
Yeah, the same spot you would be under the current system, if you even got a 10c ticket at all. So who is hurt by this?
I also suspect you'd move up a hell of a lot more than 5 rows under a system like this, given the amount of people flooding and traveling for east coast shows.
are you aware of the lottery system put in place last pj tour 2008? it was AWESOME!
first 2 rows and rows 9 and 10 were completely randomly chosen.....all other 10c seats according to seniority. it was GREAT. i think that, coupled perhaps with a lottery to even SCORE tix, would be great for all.
samnation the lottery WOULD be great for all shows....i meant only meant the one show per tour limit wouldn't be. sorry if that was unclear.
I heard about it, but didn't go to any shows in 08. It's definitely an improvement, but only if you get lucky. And I DO understand why seniority is valued. But the system I'm proposing moves EVERYBODY up, not just the lottery winners. And the people with seniority would still get the best seats one night a tour, and then very, very good seats every other night of the tour.
I'm not sure I'm explaining what I have in mind for a general PJ tour. I'll try it again.
There are TWO rounds of sales.
Round 1:
- Like what's going on with Ed's shows now, you pick one show (and maybe a back up) that you want tickets for. There's a lottery to see who gets tickets. However, I'm willing to bet that in an arena show where there are lots of seats available, pretty much everybody is going to get tickets to their top choice, or at least their back up. Places like MSG have had problems in the past because everyone on the east coast comes to town for the show... that doesn't happen in this system, because many of them are probably bidding on their hometown shows.
- Those tickets are distributed based on seniority, or if you want to do the mix up from 08, that's fine too.
Round 2:
- Whatever seats are left in fan club sections that weren't bought in round one can be bid on by anyone, as many different shows as they want.
- People are selected for those seats by random lottery.
- Lottery winners get seats based on either seniority or random lottery.
Pros:
- Everyone moves up. The people that always log jam the first 10 rows are limited to one show where they do that. So the folks that used to be kept to row 30 get to move up to row 10 or maybe even better.
- Seniority does still matter. You still get the best seat in the house based on your number for your first choice show. In fact, it's probably even better than it used to be because there was less competition for each individual show. And for the other shows you get tickets to, you get the best seats of what's left after the people that made the show their top choice are accommodated.
- Everyone is basically guaranteed a good ten club seat to one show every tour. No more problems of some people getting the best seats to every show while others are shut out of the fan club section completely at multiple shows.
Cons:
- The people used to getting in the first 10 rows every night only get that for one night. Then they move back for their other shows, though they are still in better shape than most people would have been under the old system.
- You might not get fan club tickets to every single show you want. But this apparently was the case at MSG in 08 anyway and at least it's decided fairly at random rather than being decided by who has the most computer savvy, best internet connection, and the most friends to help them log in.
this is perfect.
live and let live...unless it violates the pearligious doctrine.
Ahhhhh...tour time always stirs up the hatred for the psychopaths/robots/non-dancers/entitled babies with low 10C numbers. As one of these psychopaths, the reality is that it's utter assholes like myself that are a large part of why the band is able to continually tour arenas/sheds, often over multiple nights. Speaking only for myself, a radical change in the ticketing system would probably keep me from attending shows that necessitate me to take vacation time and spend extra money. I know that the prospect of this shift excites those with higher numbers because, let's face it, you're as selfish as I am (it's not really about equity, just how we can each get the best possible seat for ourselves). My only point is careful what you wish for...many of these shows don't sell out to begin with and, if you take the traveling herd out of the equation, who knows how that affects the overall number of shows and/or how easy it will be to get a fan club ticket at all.
This system makes sense for the Ed solo shows given the small venues and limited fan club tickets. But it makes NO SENSE whatsoever for PJ shows in arenas and ampitheatres.
Ahhhhh...tour time always stirs up the hatred for the psychopaths/robots/non-dancers/entitled babies with low 10C numbers. As one of these psychopaths, the reality is that it's utter assholes like myself that are a large part of why the band is able to continually tour arenas/sheds, often over multiple nights. Speaking only for myself, a radical change in the ticketing system would probably keep me from attending shows that necessitate me to take vacation time and spend extra money. I know that the prospect of this shift excites those with higher numbers because, let's face it, you're as selfish as I am (it's not really about equity, just how we can each get the best possible seat for ourselves). My only point is careful what you wish for...many of these shows don't sell out to begin with and, if you take the traveling herd out of the equation, who knows how that affects the overall number of shows and/or how easy it will be to get a fan club ticket at all.
Actually, this doesn't help me much. My number is good enough to not be hugely effected by this system in a positive way. I joined in 98. I'm proposing this because I think it's fairer to everybody.
If these psycho fans will only go becos they get first 5 row seats, maybe they're not such great fans after all.
And if the band stopped playing arenas, maybe that wouldn't be such a bad thing. How excited was everyone for the Vic show?
i cant wait to see how many people still like this system when they find out they didnt get tickets.
a book shouldnt have to be written to explain how a presale works...i have never seen such craziness as the rules posted on the announcement page.
ways to have a regular pre-sale and not have to resort to this lottery nonsense:
-announce the ticket onsale times with plenty of advance notice...and stagger the sale times
-get a server that can handle the volume of users online at a time
***USE A TICKET COMPANY THAT CAN HANDLE PRE-SALES (like MusicToday)...seriously, what is the issue? In the last 4 or so years, I have never been shut out of a NIN pre-sale on musictoday. I just recently got tickets for 2 of the NIN/Jane's Addiction shows through presale (both shows I got pit tickets at amphitheaters-very limited). And dont try to say that there is more demand for PJ tickets than for those tickets. You didnt even have to pay for the privilege of pre-sale access like in the 10club..it was open to every obsessed NIN/Jane's fan in the WORLD. (not limited to the US and Canada)....and let me assure you that there are many.
if they use this same system for a full band tour, it means they are abandoning seniority.....and will lose quite a few members in the process.
i cant wait to see how many people still like this system when they find out they didnt get tickets.
a book shouldnt have to be written to explain how a presale works...i have never seen such craziness as the rules posted on the announcement page.
ways to have a regular pre-sale and not have to resort to this lottery nonsense:
-announce the ticket onsale times with plenty of advance notice...and stagger the sale times
-get a server that can handle the volume of users online at a time
***USE A TICKET COMPANY THAT CAN HANDLE PRE-SALES (like MusicToday)...seriously, what is the issue? In the last 4 or so years, I have never been shut out of a NIN pre-sale on musictoday. I just recently got tickets for 2 of the NIN/Jane's Addiction shows through presale (both shows I got pit tickets at amphitheaters-very limited). And dont try to say that there is more demand for PJ tickets than for those tickets. You didnt even have to pay for the privilege of pre-sale access like in the 10club..it was open to every obsessed NIN/Jane's fan in the WORLD. (not limited to the US and Canada)....and let me assure you that there are many.
if they use this same system for a full band tour, it means they are abandoning seniority.....and will lose quite a few members in the process.
how many shows did you put in a request for today????? one show....and then another "rollover" show????
and how many shows would you have tried for with the old system????
Take me piece by piece..... Till there aint nothing left worth taking away from me.....
i cant wait to see how many people still like this system when they find out they didnt get tickets.
a book shouldnt have to be written to explain how a presale works...i have never seen such craziness as the rules posted on the announcement page.
ways to have a regular pre-sale and not have to resort to this lottery nonsense:
-announce the ticket onsale times with plenty of advance notice...and stagger the sale times
-get a server that can handle the volume of users online at a time
***USE A TICKET COMPANY THAT CAN HANDLE PRE-SALES (like MusicToday)...seriously, what is the issue? In the last 4 or so years, I have never been shut out of a NIN pre-sale on musictoday. I just recently got tickets for 2 of the NIN/Jane's Addiction shows through presale (both shows I got pit tickets at amphitheaters-very limited). And dont try to say that there is more demand for PJ tickets than for those tickets. You didnt even have to pay for the privilege of pre-sale access like in the 10club..it was open to every obsessed NIN/Jane's fan in the WORLD. (not limited to the US and Canada)....and let me assure you that there are many.
if they use this same system for a full band tour, it means they are abandoning seniority.....and will lose quite a few members in the process.
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I AM SO FUCKING TIRED OF PEOPLE TALKING ABOUT TRENT RENZOR/NIN
"NINE INCH NAILS FAN CLUB HAS BETTER POLICY"
"Trent communicates with his fans on the board, why can't Eddie and the rest of Pearl Jam sit at the board all day and talk to us." -EDDIE HAS A BABY! Trust me, I have a baby brother and damn he keeps my parents busy.
"TRENT REZNOR SIGNED ALL OF THE PREORDERS"
"Trent gave us his whole shitty cd for free via mp3, why cant Pearl Jam do this"
i cant wait to see how many people still like this system when they find out they didnt get tickets.
That would happen anyway. But I'd rather not get a ticket by the luck of the draw than because the server/shopping cart/my computer f-ed up. Still sucks but it is fair.
ways to have a regular pre-sale and not have to resort to this lottery nonsense:
-announce the ticket onsale times with plenty of advance notice...and stagger the sale times
-get a server that can handle the volume of users online at a time
Even Ticketmaster has server crashes. Shit happens. At least they are addressing these issues and strategically coming up with solutions that are fair to everyone.
***USE A TICKET COMPANY THAT CAN HANDLE PRE-SALES (like MusicToday)...seriously, what is the issue? In the last 4 or so years, I have never been shut out of a NIN pre-sale on musictoday.
Musictoday is owned by Livenation. Livenation is in the process of merging with Ticketmaster. Does anyone here want to hand over the Ten Club to Ticketmaster? One of the main reasons I support the Ten Club is because it's NOT an outside company. When I send in my $20, I am directly supporting Pearl Jam. I'm not supporting some generic web company hired by Sony to spit out a fan club. Ten Club is DIY and always has been. It IS Pearl Jam and it IS the Pearl Jam community. Nothing's perfect but these guys have set up an amazing independent business for themselves and their fans. For $20 (less than most people spend on coffee in a week), we get a great deal and we are making an investment in the band we love. I'll take that over supporting Livenation/Ticketmaster.
if they use this same system for a full band tour, it means they are abandoning seniority.....and will lose quite a few members in the process.
Let's not burn the house down before we've even seen it. 10C is not about to abandon seniority. There isn't any indication they will even have this policy for a PJ tour at all. Think positive, 10C wants to do right by us.
This system makes sense for the Ed solo shows given the small venues and limited fan club tickets. But it makes NO SENSE whatsoever for PJ shows in arenas and ampitheatres.
in reading all of this whining and moaning on this thread, it's pretty obvious that 99.9% of folks' problem here is "waaahhh... i want to be front row. i don't care that my fanclub membership is only a year old and other folks have been paying dues for 15 years, i should be ENTITLED to guaranteed tickets to every show and sitting front and center." for one thing... we're only paying $20 a year for a membership, and we already get magazines and a fanclub single shipped to us each year without paying another penny. it's not like we're breaking the bank for the opportunities we get for tickets. it sounds like the only thing that's going to make all of the crybabies happy is to have one giant single row of seats, then everyone would be front row and everyone could shut up. personally, i feel very lucky that a small yearly fee gets me a fanclub single each year, and emails to let me know when tours are coming, and emails with links to buy tickets. i mean geeez folks, it's handed to us on a silver platter! how about being grateful for once? how much easier can it get?
in my opinion, we definitely do not need this current Ed solo small venue ticket system for full PJ shows. the Ed solo ticket process is fair since there was no announcement of an on-sale time before tickets went on sale. now, if the ticket sales had been announced earlier and they weren't on sale immediately and we had time to prepare for a ticket sale at a given time, i'd say forget the ticket lottery and just do it first come, first served like regular band tour tickets, because that's the only fair way. people need to remember that "fair" IN NO WAY EQUALS "convenient for everyone," and that's where it seems that some people are getting confused.
getting tickets last year for the full band tour was no problem. if you're in the fanclub, and you checked your email, and you could read a clock, then you knew to plan to get on a computer at ticket-o'clock, order your tickets, and be done 3 minutes later. i did it from work last year if i remember correctly. concert tickets have always been done this way for all bands in some shape or form. you're told a time that they'll be on sale, and you plan accordingly. and now, with online ordering, you don't even have to stand at a box-office window at a certain time, and people STILL have the nerve to complain when they don't even have to leave the house to get tickets! the "random" rows 1 and 2 and 9 and 10 idea was ok, it didn't really hurt anything. i probably missed out on the best seats i could have ever had because of it, but it was alright. i was row 11 in VA Beach last year, and without the random rows i'd guess i could have been row 7, which would be closer than i've ever been. but if i wouldn't have been in row 11, i wouldn't have caught Ed's guitar pick that night
so in the end we've got a really good thing going here folks. everyone needs to quit complaining and understand that we're all basically guaranteed good tickets to pearl jam shows every time that we want to go. the 10club puts in a lot of effort to make our ticket-buying experience as easy as possible. quit complaining because it also requires a little effort on your part as well to get the tickets that you want.
8-31-98 - Raleigh
8-3-00 - Virginia Beach
4-16-03 - Charlotte
5-27-06 - Camden 1
5-28-06 - Camden 2
5-30-06 - DC
6-17-08 - Virginia Beach
6-22-08 - DC
5-13-10 - Bristow
10-27-13 - Baltimore
10-29-13 - Charlottesville
4-18-16 - Hampton
Musictoday is owned by Livenation. Livenation is in the process of merging with Ticketmaster. Does anyone here want to hand over the Ten Club to Ticketmaster?
I DO!
I hate TM. BUT the ONLY reason PJ doesn't sell all 18,000 tickets to TC members at a particular arena or ampitheatre show is because of TM's lock on venues prevents TC from having access to sell 90% of the tickets. I emailed TC and they said they only get about 10% of the venue to sell. Howabout we LET TM handle TC ticket sales for all shows... think about it.... the potential of ALL TC audience at the shows! NEVER getting "shut out" during a pre-sale. No PJ website crashing. No removing tickets from your shopping cart when PJ website wants you to re-login during the purchase. Seeing 100% of the tour, for those who want to. I can't think of enough reasons to use TM for TC ticketing. It would eliminate pretty much all of the problems, except the service fee.
ADD 5,200 to the post count you see, thank you.
*NYC 9/28/96 *NYC 9/29/96 *NJ 9/8/98 (front row "may i play drums with you")
*MSG 9/10/98 (backstage) *MSG 9/11/98 (backstage)
*Jones Beach 8/23/00 *Jones Beach 8/24/00 *Jones Beach 8/25/00
*Mansfield 8/29/00 *Mansfield 8/30/00 *Nassau 4/30/03 *Nissan VA 7/1/03
*Borgata 10/1/05 *Camden 5/27/06 *Camden 5/28/06 *DC 5/30/06
*VA Beach 6/17/08 *DC 6/22/08 *MSG 6/24/08 (backstage) *MSG 6/25/08
*EV DC 8/17/08 *EV Baltimore 6/15/09 *Philly 10/31/09
*Bristow VA 5/13/10 *MSG 5/20/10 *MSG 5/21/10
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lol, wake up. An unpaid membership isn't going to keep ten club going :roll:
exactly.
also, it's a time suck....some have 'advantage' by having better internet connections, being more computer savvy, being able to be here all times of day, etc, etc. i've been very, very lucky with scoring 10c tix in the past - except for ed solo - but evenso.
and just an fyi - the 'arguement' back and forth over seniority has gone on and on...but cmon folks, you early joiners didn't do it for 'seniority' b/c it didn't exist until the 2000 tour! SOOOOO many changes have occurred with tix, seniority, lottery, etc....almost every tour, some little tweaks made. the *only* thing any of us were ever promised by 10c was the CHANCE at tix before the public, and on that, they have never wavered......
anyhooo....this thread isn't about seniority, is it? at least i didn't think so. just about if you like this lottery shot at 10c tix, and i say yes! i definitely like it for EV, especially after his last shows.....
Let's just breathe...
I am myself like you somehow
Yeah, it would be awful to have to sit in the 15th row for 2 or 4 or 9 shows after sitting in the 1st row for one show. You'd be with all those newbie peasants... eww! You should get to sit front row EVERY show and those fuckers should sit row 15 every night and shut the fuck up and stop wondering what it's like in the front row and accept that they'll never get to find out.
By the way, do you have any greeey poupon?
Now that I re-read your little rant, I am not entirely sure what you are saying, if you are being sarcastic or who you are talking to (me or him). Regardless, that is my point
That's an excellent point that I always fail to remember. I remember my mail order form in 98 where I got to pick one show to get fan club tickets to, period. And there was no seniority on that seat.
Hell, in the system I'm talking about, leftover seats could also be done on seniority. Or top choice selection. There's plenty of ways to give some benefit to seniority that doesn't necessitate putting the same fans in the first 10 rows every single night of every single tour.
I only go to one or two shows per tour, and I also have a comparably low number. In the past, I have done some traveling/touring for shows as well. It doesn't affect my views on this. If I went to 10 shows, I'd still like my system because I generally think it's a crock of shit that the same people get the primo seats every single night and everyone else has no hope to ever move up unless someone dies. That's lame. Under my system, seniority still matters. You still get to right up front one night, and then for round two, you get the best seats of what's left after the local people get their one show of great seats. So yeah, you sit in row 15 most nights and row 1 that one night. Cry me a river. I find it hard to feel your pain when there are a lot of people that will never get above row 30 while you sit row 1 every single night. Under my system, those people get to sit in row 14 and are probably fucking thrilled about it, and you have the gall to be one row behind bitching about being in row 15 instead of the front?
i think i recall a lot of shows back then were also GA for 10c so, it didn't matter about seniority
I'm not following why this lottery process would NOT be good for all PJ shows, assuming that the one show limit and no seniority is just an EV thing.
As you said, PJ does NOT sell out all their 10C tix everywhere. So chances are the lottery system would not only give most people the tickets they wanted, it would solve the other issues people so often have complained about - crashing servers/carts, selling out in 5 seconds while some members couldn't get in, etc. I think this is a lot more reasonable and fair to everyone. And lots of other touring bands use it all the time.
are you aware of the lottery system put in place last pj tour 2008? it was AWESOME!
first 2 rows and rows 9 and 10 were completely randomly chosen.....all other 10c seats according to seniority. it was GREAT. i think that, coupled perhaps with a lottery to even SCORE tix, would be great for all.
samnation the lottery WOULD be great for all shows....i meant only meant the one show per tour limit wouldn't be. sorry if that was unclear.
Let's just breathe...
I am myself like you somehow
also......it better serves the fans, new and old alike.
it may not serve the "psychofans"......but it does serve the fans.
I heard about it, but didn't go to any shows in 08. It's definitely an improvement, but only if you get lucky. And I DO understand why seniority is valued. But the system I'm proposing moves EVERYBODY up, not just the lottery winners. And the people with seniority would still get the best seats one night a tour, and then very, very good seats every other night of the tour.
I'm not sure I'm explaining what I have in mind for a general PJ tour. I'll try it again.
There are TWO rounds of sales.
Round 1:
- Like what's going on with Ed's shows now, you pick one show (and maybe a back up) that you want tickets for. There's a lottery to see who gets tickets. However, I'm willing to bet that in an arena show where there are lots of seats available, pretty much everybody is going to get tickets to their top choice, or at least their back up. Places like MSG have had problems in the past because everyone on the east coast comes to town for the show... that doesn't happen in this system, because many of them are probably bidding on their hometown shows.
- Those tickets are distributed based on seniority, or if you want to do the mix up from 08, that's fine too.
Round 2:
- Whatever seats are left in fan club sections that weren't bought in round one can be bid on by anyone, as many different shows as they want.
- People are selected for those seats by random lottery.
- Lottery winners get seats based on either seniority or random lottery.
Pros:
- Everyone moves up. The people that always log jam the first 10 rows are limited to one show where they do that. So the folks that used to be kept to row 30 get to move up to row 10 or maybe even better.
- Seniority does still matter. You still get the best seat in the house based on your number for your first choice show. In fact, it's probably even better than it used to be because there was less competition for each individual show. And for the other shows you get tickets to, you get the best seats of what's left after the people that made the show their top choice are accommodated.
- Everyone is basically guaranteed a good ten club seat to one show every tour. No more problems of some people getting the best seats to every show while others are shut out of the fan club section completely at multiple shows.
Cons:
- The people used to getting in the first 10 rows every night only get that for one night. Then they move back for their other shows, though they are still in better shape than most people would have been under the old system.
- You might not get fan club tickets to every single show you want. But this apparently was the case at MSG in 08 anyway and at least it's decided fairly at random rather than being decided by who has the most computer savvy, best internet connection, and the most friends to help them log in.
And what about if you pick a show, say MSG or in NYC area, and you are normally 30 rows back anyway, and you only move up 5 rows since it is still popular and then what? If you go to another show you are basically in the same spot.
Could agree more! The only area that seems impacted with 10C ticket requests for regular PJ shows is the Northeast...
Yeah, the same spot you would be under the current system, if you even got a 10c ticket at all. So who is hurt by this?
I also suspect you'd move up a hell of a lot more than 5 rows under a system like this, given the amount of people flooding and traveling for east coast shows.
spread the wealth with tax dollars is........................good.
WORD!!!....X 1,000,000!!!!
Actually, this doesn't help me much. My number is good enough to not be hugely effected by this system in a positive way. I joined in 98. I'm proposing this because I think it's fairer to everybody.
If these psycho fans will only go becos they get first 5 row seats, maybe they're not such great fans after all.
And if the band stopped playing arenas, maybe that wouldn't be such a bad thing. How excited was everyone for the Vic show?
a book shouldnt have to be written to explain how a presale works...i have never seen such craziness as the rules posted on the announcement page.
ways to have a regular pre-sale and not have to resort to this lottery nonsense:
-announce the ticket onsale times with plenty of advance notice...and stagger the sale times
-get a server that can handle the volume of users online at a time
***USE A TICKET COMPANY THAT CAN HANDLE PRE-SALES (like MusicToday)...seriously, what is the issue? In the last 4 or so years, I have never been shut out of a NIN pre-sale on musictoday. I just recently got tickets for 2 of the NIN/Jane's Addiction shows through presale (both shows I got pit tickets at amphitheaters-very limited). And dont try to say that there is more demand for PJ tickets than for those tickets. You didnt even have to pay for the privilege of pre-sale access like in the 10club..it was open to every obsessed NIN/Jane's fan in the WORLD. (not limited to the US and Canada)....and let me assure you that there are many.
if they use this same system for a full band tour, it means they are abandoning seniority.....and will lose quite a few members in the process.
and how many shows would you have tried for with the old system????
Till there aint nothing left worth taking away from me.....
I AM SO FUCKING TIRED OF PEOPLE TALKING ABOUT TRENT RENZOR/NIN
"NINE INCH NAILS FAN CLUB HAS BETTER POLICY"
"Trent communicates with his fans on the board, why can't Eddie and the rest of Pearl Jam sit at the board all day and talk to us." -EDDIE HAS A BABY! Trust me, I have a baby brother and damn he keeps my parents busy.
"TRENT REZNOR SIGNED ALL OF THE PREORDERS"
"Trent gave us his whole shitty cd for free via mp3, why cant Pearl Jam do this"
Seattle Key Arena 9-21-2009
Seattle Key Arena 9-22-2009
That would happen anyway. But I'd rather not get a ticket by the luck of the draw than because the server/shopping cart/my computer f-ed up. Still sucks but it is fair.
It was wordy but I'm sure it's just to cover their bases since there were sure to be a lot of questions, especially since people don't RTFM ever.
Even Ticketmaster has server crashes. Shit happens. At least they are addressing these issues and strategically coming up with solutions that are fair to everyone.
Musictoday is owned by Livenation. Livenation is in the process of merging with Ticketmaster. Does anyone here want to hand over the Ten Club to Ticketmaster? One of the main reasons I support the Ten Club is because it's NOT an outside company. When I send in my $20, I am directly supporting Pearl Jam. I'm not supporting some generic web company hired by Sony to spit out a fan club. Ten Club is DIY and always has been. It IS Pearl Jam and it IS the Pearl Jam community. Nothing's perfect but these guys have set up an amazing independent business for themselves and their fans. For $20 (less than most people spend on coffee in a week), we get a great deal and we are making an investment in the band we love. I'll take that over supporting Livenation/Ticketmaster.
Let's not burn the house down before we've even seen it. 10C is not about to abandon seniority. There isn't any indication they will even have this policy for a PJ tour at all. Think positive, 10C wants to do right by us.
agreed
in my opinion, we definitely do not need this current Ed solo small venue ticket system for full PJ shows. the Ed solo ticket process is fair since there was no announcement of an on-sale time before tickets went on sale. now, if the ticket sales had been announced earlier and they weren't on sale immediately and we had time to prepare for a ticket sale at a given time, i'd say forget the ticket lottery and just do it first come, first served like regular band tour tickets, because that's the only fair way. people need to remember that "fair" IN NO WAY EQUALS "convenient for everyone," and that's where it seems that some people are getting confused.
getting tickets last year for the full band tour was no problem. if you're in the fanclub, and you checked your email, and you could read a clock, then you knew to plan to get on a computer at ticket-o'clock, order your tickets, and be done 3 minutes later. i did it from work last year if i remember correctly. concert tickets have always been done this way for all bands in some shape or form. you're told a time that they'll be on sale, and you plan accordingly. and now, with online ordering, you don't even have to stand at a box-office window at a certain time, and people STILL have the nerve to complain when they don't even have to leave the house to get tickets! the "random" rows 1 and 2 and 9 and 10 idea was ok, it didn't really hurt anything. i probably missed out on the best seats i could have ever had because of it, but it was alright. i was row 11 in VA Beach last year, and without the random rows i'd guess i could have been row 7, which would be closer than i've ever been. but if i wouldn't have been in row 11, i wouldn't have caught Ed's guitar pick that night
so in the end we've got a really good thing going here folks. everyone needs to quit complaining and understand that we're all basically guaranteed good tickets to pearl jam shows every time that we want to go. the 10club puts in a lot of effort to make our ticket-buying experience as easy as possible. quit complaining because it also requires a little effort on your part as well to get the tickets that you want.
8-3-00 - Virginia Beach
4-16-03 - Charlotte
5-27-06 - Camden 1
5-28-06 - Camden 2
5-30-06 - DC
6-17-08 - Virginia Beach
6-22-08 - DC
5-13-10 - Bristow
10-27-13 - Baltimore
10-29-13 - Charlottesville
4-18-16 - Hampton
I DO!
I hate TM. BUT the ONLY reason PJ doesn't sell all 18,000 tickets to TC members at a particular arena or ampitheatre show is because of TM's lock on venues prevents TC from having access to sell 90% of the tickets. I emailed TC and they said they only get about 10% of the venue to sell. Howabout we LET TM handle TC ticket sales for all shows... think about it.... the potential of ALL TC audience at the shows! NEVER getting "shut out" during a pre-sale. No PJ website crashing. No removing tickets from your shopping cart when PJ website wants you to re-login during the purchase. Seeing 100% of the tour, for those who want to. I can't think of enough reasons to use TM for TC ticketing. It would eliminate pretty much all of the problems, except the service fee.
*NYC 9/28/96 *NYC 9/29/96 *NJ 9/8/98 (front row "may i play drums with you")
*MSG 9/10/98 (backstage) *MSG 9/11/98 (backstage)
*Jones Beach 8/23/00 *Jones Beach 8/24/00 *Jones Beach 8/25/00
*Mansfield 8/29/00 *Mansfield 8/30/00 *Nassau 4/30/03 *Nissan VA 7/1/03
*Borgata 10/1/05 *Camden 5/27/06 *Camden 5/28/06 *DC 5/30/06
*VA Beach 6/17/08 *DC 6/22/08 *MSG 6/24/08 (backstage) *MSG 6/25/08
*EV DC 8/17/08 *EV Baltimore 6/15/09 *Philly 10/31/09
*Bristow VA 5/13/10 *MSG 5/20/10 *MSG 5/21/10