Smashing Pumpkins Sell the Fuck Out...
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NOW he does.
VISA of all companies. shitty.
He's in the music business; he sells music.
But Corgan is in Guitar Hero World Tour! :?
http://www.musicradar.com/news/guitars/ ... ero-162724
well if corgan is a sell-out so is pj, and if selling out is a bad thing, lets not ignore the fact that pj has been doing it for years just because theyre our favorite band. baby clothes, socks, unique posters every night of a show, a gazllion different releases of the ten remaster, and a movie soundtrack that had its own tour with way overpriced tickets, 12.99 cds in 2000, then 9.99 digital release in 06...... oh and a paying fans only forum....
i could go on and on.
dont think im some corgan fanboy cause i dont even own a single sp album......but call a spade a spade. if somehow selling out makes a band less credible or suck, then pj deserves the same bashing.
then every other band is a sell out b/c every band Ive ever listened to sells t-shirts , posters,re masterd cd's and all sorts of other schwag
remasters and such are cool, but how many different versions of the release do you need? everything pj releases now comes in a special limited edition version that costs 3x as much as the normal version, but only adds 10 dollars more worth of junk.
im waiting for the pj frying pan set. :roll:
maybe he needs the money for some rogaine.
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I've always been a casual Pumpkins fan, but Billy has always made it difficult for me to be anything but a casual fan.
Yeah i like your point.
They will still be playing songs from ALL albums, b sides, the lot really, in 3 hourr shows so im not too fussed.
Zwan were fucking awesome imo. The album is really good. How is it obvious he needs money? are you his bank advisor or something :S
If you read interviews and stuff you would understand.
8/7/08, 6/9/09
This is kind of thing artists have to do to survive.
Sorry, but that's the new reality.
If more of us paid for albums instead of downloading, a lot less of these types of business endeavors would happen.
And that's not a SP defense, it's a general statement regarding all music. Including PJ. Because we all know they wouldn't have needed to do some of the deals they're doing now (I'm thinking Verizon) ten years ago.
you mean to say viacom(the parent company of into the wild) cares about its customers..... :roll:
or what about verzion??? handing over phone records, without warrant, to the fbi sounds like a very classy move. or that text messages cost next to nothing for cell phone providers but they still gouge their customers. so charging someone a over the top flat rate is ethical while using percentage isnt?
http://news.cnet.com/8301-13578_3-10037221-38.html .....yep so much better than visa.
pj bashed at&t for censoring them, where was there outcry about this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CK_s81WXh5g .......oh verizon sponsored their tour.
oh i forgot vedder cant sell out cause we can always point to someone else. as far as i can tell pj has no standards, if we use your standard of selling out.
Billy cried that he wanted his songs back. But what about his Zwan and solo songs? He doesn't give a fuck about those because they didn't make him money!
Pumpkins are my second favorite band by the way. But Billy can eat a dick.
My feelings exactly. Obviously the whole "sell out" debate is never going to end but it always bemuses me how angry and worked up people get about it.
If your job is being in a band then you are entitled to make some money off your songs. It's as simple as that. Do you feel like a sellout when you receive your paycheck at the end of the month? No, so why should Billy feel like a sellout just because he wrote a song that people still want to hear so many years later?
So what if he said he wouldn't do it. There is a global recession going on in case you hadn't noticed and I don't blame him for wanting to makle a little extra. Is he a sellout for allowing t-shirts or other SP merch to be made? Or for going on tour and selling tickets? No, but he makes money from it.
He gave Machina II away for free for fuck's sake, there's not too many bands that would have given one of their best albums in years away for nothing
(Jeff Tweedy, Sydney 2007)
“Put yer good money on the sunrise”
(Tim Rogers)
Exactly. Had I not found out about this "today" Visa commercial and just heard it on TV, I would be like "cool, a SP song". Who cares what artists do with their music. As long as they dont over do it, like with action figures and make up, and a clothing line. That is just tasteless crap.
8/7/08, 6/9/09
I just think some things are too sacred for credit card commericals, and I'm happy being this way.
Man you are rilled up! It's like someone pulled out their cock and bitch slapped your mom in the face with it. You and Billy must be real tight. That's cool though.
Having sponsors for a tour to help pay the costs and selling a single song to be identified to a specific product is two completely different things. I think your deep love for Billy is stopping you from thinking rationally here. Step back and think.
Nothing wrong with getting paid. There IS something wrong selling yourself (in this case one's voice) to promote a shitty product. Especially when you talked shit about doing it in the first place. LOL!
If I had something that someone was willing to pay my $100,000.00 dollars for... in these tough economic times... I'd think I'd go for it. And i don't think i'd care what people who already think 'I Suck' would have to say about it.
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Too bad I don't have anything worth $100,000.00 to sell.
Hail, Hail!!!