Obama reverses stem cell ban

know1

In this same action, didn't Obama also halt funding for other types of stem cell research that was being funded previously? Seems a bit odd....

soulsinging

know1 wrote:

In this same action, didn't Obama also halt funding for other types of stem cell research that was being funded previously? Seems a bit odd....

I've read nothing saying anything remotely like this. Was it on Pat Robertson's show or something?

Since you're all about economic waste, how fucking stupid is this:

"he ruling will bring one immediate change: As of Monday, scientists who've had to meticulously keep separate their federally funded research and their privately funded stem cell work — from buying separate microscopes to even setting up labs in different buildings — won't have that expensive hurdle anymore. "

know1

soulsinging wrote:

know1 wrote:

In this same action, didn't Obama also halt funding for other types of stem cell research that was being funded previously? Seems a bit odd....

I've read nothing saying anything remotely like this. Was it on Pat Robertson's show or something?

Since you're all about economic waste, how fucking stupid is this:

"he ruling will bring one immediate change: As of Monday, scientists who've had to meticulously keep separate their federally funded research and their privately funded stem cell work — from buying separate microscopes to even setting up labs in different buildings — won't have that expensive hurdle anymore. "

I heard it on the radio. It wasn't a conservative talk program either. I believe they said he shifted the funding from adult stem cells to embryonic stem cells.

I care a lot more about government waste than private waste. I don't think the government should be doing funding of much of anything.

soulsinging

know1 wrote:

soulsinging wrote:

know1 wrote:

In this same action, didn't Obama also halt funding for other types of stem cell research that was being funded previously? Seems a bit odd....

I've read nothing saying anything remotely like this. Was it on Pat Robertson's show or something?

Since you're all about economic waste, how fucking stupid is this:

"he ruling will bring one immediate change: As of Monday, scientists who've had to meticulously keep separate their federally funded research and their privately funded stem cell work — from buying separate microscopes to even setting up labs in different buildings — won't have that expensive hurdle anymore. "

I heard it on the radio. It wasn't a conservative talk program either. I believe they said he shifted the funding from adult stem cells to embryonic stem cells.

I care a lot more about government waste than private waste. I don't think the government should be doing funding of much of anything.

I think you might have misheard. He allowed for funding to go to embryonic stem cells, which seem to have more promise than adult stem cells. So maybe they said it means people that have been doing adult cell research will be switching over.

KDH12

It has switched to Embryonic stem cells, which are have more potential for study then adult stem cells, they are trying to find cause of disease, where better to start then the beginning

Most embryos will come from fertility clinics where they end up in the garbage or Octo-mom

know1

KDH12 wrote:

It has switched to Embryonic stem cells, which are have more potential for study then adult stem cells, they are trying to find cause of disease, where better to start then the beginning

Most embryos will come from fertility clinics where they end up in the garbage or Octo-mom

So if it has switched to embryonic, then in essence hasn't Obama instituted a ban on funding for adult stem cell research? I don't necessarily care either way - other than I don't think the government should be funding it anyway - but where is the uproar for this ban?

decides2dream

know1 wrote:

KDH12 wrote:

It has switched to Embryonic stem cells, which are have more potential for study then adult stem cells, they are trying to find cause of disease, where better to start then the beginning

Most embryos will come from fertility clinics where they end up in the garbage or Octo-mom

So if it has switched to embryonic, then in essence hasn't Obama instituted a ban on funding for adult stem cell research? I don't necessarily care either way - other than I don't think the government should be funding it anyway - but where is the uproar for this ban?

no.

it hasn't 'switched' per se, it's simply there is NO bans in place on ANY stem cell research - adult or embryonic. if a scientist wants to study adult stem cells, he/she can, and they can apply for a govt grant just as they now, thanks to obama, can for embryonic stem cell research. none of this means that either will always get funded, just that they can. obviously, scientists apply for grants and get turned down all the time....due to lack of funding, bans on funding, or simply, the govt does not deem your desired study to be 'worthwhile.' in THAT sense, there is the switch...in that embryonic stem cell research has, at least preliminarily, been more useful/productive regarding results....and thus with the ban lifted, many scientists will now choose to persue this path of study, knowing they now CAN get govt funding, when previously they could not. it's a really GOOD thing imo, but i also believe in govt funding of many things, medical research being one of them, and a very worhty one at that.

know1

decides2dream wrote:

know1 wrote:

KDH12 wrote:

It has switched to Embryonic stem cells, which are have more potential for study then adult stem cells, they are trying to find cause of disease, where better to start then the beginning

Most embryos will come from fertility clinics where they end up in the garbage or Octo-mom

So if it has switched to embryonic, then in essence hasn't Obama instituted a ban on funding for adult stem cell research? I don't necessarily care either way - other than I don't think the government should be funding it anyway - but where is the uproar for this ban?

no.

it hasn't 'switched' per se, it's simply there is NO bans in place on ANY stem cell research - adult or embryonic. if a scientist wants to study adult stem cells, he/she can, and they can apply for a govt grant just as they now, thanks to obama, can for embryonic stem cell research. none of this means that either will always get funded, just that they can. obviously, scientists apply for grants and get turned down all the time....due to lack of funding, bans on funding, or simply, the govt does not deem your desired study to be 'worthwhile.' in THAT sense, there is the switch...in that embryonic stem cell research has, at least preliminarily, been more useful/productive regarding results....and thus with the ban lifted, many scientists will now choose to persue this path of study, knowing they now CAN get govt funding, when previously they could not. it's a really GOOD thing imo, but i also believe in govt funding of many things, medical research being one of them, and a very worhty one at that.

Again - I heard on the radio that he moved the approval of funding from adult to embryonic.

I have not seen anything else to back that up, but if it were true than in essence he is banning adult stem cell research.

KDH12

not everything you hear on the radio is true or fact

it is not an either or

it is an addition to

but you don't seem to want to understand that

so think what you want

JD Sal

know1 wrote:

Again - I heard on the radio that he moved the approval of funding from adult to embryonic.

I have not seen anything else to back that up, but if it were true than in essence he is banning adult stem cell research.

Here you go...

http://washingtontimes.com/news/2009/ma ... s-to-rage/

"The executive order on stem-cell research would not dictate what types of stem cells may be used (embryonic or adult) or where embryos would be obtained, deferring instead to the National Institutes of Health to draw up the specifics. NIH would have 120 days to draft revised guidelines."