Obama reverses stem cell ban

soulsinging
soulsinging Posts: 13,202
edited March 2009 in A Moving Train
A little good news amid the doom and gloom these days. Obama's lifting Dubya's ban on federal funding for stem cell research. Want to save the economy? How about making the US a hotbed of scientific research and advancement again, instead of shelving science to protect the fragile minds of Christians?

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090307/ap_ ... stem_cells
Post edited by Unknown User on
«1

Comments

  • CB206820
    CB206820 Posts: 105
    *Claps*

    FINALLY! As Peter Griffin said... "WHY ARE WE NOT FUNDING THIS!?!?!?!?"
  • Commy
    Commy Posts: 4,984
    yeah finally.
  • wolfbear
    wolfbear Posts: 3,965
    Yep, great news there. :) A friend of mine uses stem cells working on Alzheimer's and it's amazing how much life they get out of one cell. Great research is being done. Obama's trying to do so much at once it's amazing. :shock:
    "I'd rather be with an animal." "Those that can be trusted can change their mind." "The in between is mine." "If I don't lose control, explore and not explode, a preternatural other plane with the power to maintain." "Yeh this is living." "Life is what you make it."
  • know1
    know1 Posts: 6,801
    Why does the government have to fund things for them to happen, anyway? This has always been a big fuss over nothing, IMO.

    This reliance on the government to provide for everything we do is quite disheartening.
    The only people we should try to get even with...
    ...are those who've helped us.

    Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
  • cornnifer
    cornnifer Posts: 2,130
    soulsinging wrote:
    A little good news amid the doom and gloom these days. Obama's lifting Dubya's ban on federal funding for stem cell research. Want to save the economy? How about making the US a hotbed of scientific research and advancement again, instead of shelving science to protect the fragile minds of Christians?

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090307/ap_ ... stem_cells

    i agree this is a good thing. i strongly disagree, however that my mind is fragile.
    "When all your friends and sedatives mean well but make it worse... better find yourself a place to level out."
  • soulsinging
    soulsinging Posts: 13,202
    cornnifer wrote:
    soulsinging wrote:
    A little good news amid the doom and gloom these days. Obama's lifting Dubya's ban on federal funding for stem cell research. Want to save the economy? How about making the US a hotbed of scientific research and advancement again, instead of shelving science to protect the fragile minds of Christians?

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090307/ap_ ... stem_cells

    i agree this is a good thing. i strongly disagree, however that my mind is fragile.

    Then you're not one of the Christians I'm talking about ;)
  • soulsinging
    soulsinging Posts: 13,202
    know1 wrote:
    Why does the government have to fund things for them to happen, anyway? This has always been a big fuss over nothing, IMO.

    This reliance on the government to provide for everything we do is quite disheartening.

    They don't, but every little bit helps. And privately wealthy people are busy putting their money into stocks for companies building nuclear weapons so they can turn a profit. Private funding won't cut it as there's not enough profit margin and people aren't generous. Was there a problem with the government funding the Manhattan Project? Space exploration?
  • yoke
    yoke Posts: 1,440
    know1 wrote:
    Why does the government have to fund things for them to happen, anyway? This has always been a big fuss over nothing, IMO.

    This reliance on the government to provide for everything we do is quite disheartening.



    agreed... private sector was already working on it
    Thats a lovely accent you have. New Jersey?

    www.seanbrady.net
  • WaveCameCrashin
    WaveCameCrashin Posts: 2,929
    Hey soulsinging you left out one word EMBRYONIC ... My mind isn't fragile I just value human life.
  • CB206820
    CB206820 Posts: 105
    Assuming the fetus is going to be aborted, why don't we USE those cells to help humans more?

    It's not like we're aborting fetus' for the stem cells.
  • Commy
    Commy Posts: 4,984
    yoke wrote:
    know1 wrote:
    Why does the government have to fund things for them to happen, anyway? This has always been a big fuss over nothing, IMO.

    This reliance on the government to provide for everything we do is quite disheartening.



    agreed... private sector was already working on it
    yeah but now its legal.
  • WaveCameCrashin
    WaveCameCrashin Posts: 2,929
    CB206820 wrote:
    Assuming the fetus is going to be aborted, why don't we USE those cells to help humans more?

    It's not like we're aborting fetus' for the stem cells.

    The laws vary from state to state and the patient has to give consent
  • know1
    know1 Posts: 6,801
    Commy wrote:
    yoke wrote:
    know1 wrote:
    Why does the government have to fund things for them to happen, anyway? This has always been a big fuss over nothing, IMO.

    This reliance on the government to provide for everything we do is quite disheartening.



    agreed... private sector was already working on it
    yeah but now its legal.

    So no federal funding = illegal ????
    The only people we should try to get even with...
    ...are those who've helped us.

    Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
  • KDH12
    KDH12 Posts: 2,096
    i don't think that it was a matter of legal vs illegal

    (although the bush administration would have no problem taking people to court over what they thought was illegal)

    but if I was researcher I would be affraid to do human stem cell work (they were using animals stem cells I believe) under the Bush admin cuz who is to say that they would not stop funding other projects in retaliation
    **CUBS GO ALL THE WAY IN......never **
  • CB206820
    CB206820 Posts: 105
    prfctlefts wrote:
    CB206820 wrote:
    Assuming the fetus is going to be aborted, why don't we USE those cells to help humans more?

    It's not like we're aborting fetus' for the stem cells.

    The laws vary from state to state and the patient has to give consent
    If the patient gives consent, I feel we should be trying to develop as much as we can.

    I value human life.
  • soulsinging
    soulsinging Posts: 13,202
    prfctlefts wrote:
    Hey soulsinging you left out one word EMBRYONIC ... My mind isn't fragile I just value human life.

    As do I, which is why I am a big fan of using bunches of cells to find cures for horrible diseases like Alzheimer's and diabetes. But I can see how that doesn't concern you. The pro-life movement has always been far more concerned with adopting the sanctimonious moral high ground on cute little babies than with lifting a finger to do anything to help that life once it's here... once it's born, fuck the little shit, it's on its own and should just lift itself up by its bootstraps to fix its kidneys!
  • SolarWorld
    SolarWorld Posts: 1,902
    prfctlefts wrote:
    Hey soulsinging you left out one word EMBRYONIC ... My mind isn't fragile I just value human life.

    First of all, a mass of atoms that take shape in the form of a cell is NOT human life. These crazy pro lifers swear doctors have to abort 15 babies to harvest ONE stem cell. It's amazing.

    Second, if you woke up tomorrow and found out there was no god, you would be pretty messed up mentally for a period of time. I would call that fragile.

    Lets save all the hypothetical lives instead of saving the people we have around us. Brilliant! :roll:
  • WaveCameCrashin
    WaveCameCrashin Posts: 2,929
    edited March 2009
    soulsinging wrote:
    prfctlefts wrote:
    Hey soulsinging you left out one word EMBRYONIC ... My mind isn't fragile I just value human life.

    As do I, which is why I am a big fan of using bunches of cells to find cures for horrible diseases like Alzheimer's and diabetes. But I can see how that doesn't concern you. The pro-life movement has always been far more concerned with adopting the sanctimonious moral high ground on cute little babies than with lifting a finger to do anything to help that life once it's here... once it's born, fuck the little shit, it's on its own and should just lift itself up by its bootstraps to fix its kidneys!

    that's not the way I feel at all,No body should ever have to go through life suffering so dont put words in my mouth. There are other ways to get stem cells. like umbilical cords
    Post edited by WaveCameCrashin on
  • WaveCameCrashin
    WaveCameCrashin Posts: 2,929
    SolarWorld wrote:
    prfctlefts wrote:
    Hey soulsinging you left out one word EMBRYONIC ... My mind isn't fragile I just value human life.

    First of all, a mass of atoms that take shape in the form of a cell is NOT human life. These crazy pro lifers swear doctors have to abort 15 babies to harvest ONE stem cell. It's amazing.

    Second, if you woke up tomorrow and found out there was no god, you would be pretty messed up mentally for a period of time. I would call that fragile.

    Lets save all the hypothetical lives instead of saving the people we have around us. Brilliant! :roll:

    that will never happen b/c when I found god I woke up :D
  • intodeep
    intodeep Posts: 7,249
    Okay i want some facts and it seems it is hard to find facts about this.

    My understanding is that scientist are utilizeing blastocyst which if i'm getting it right is a a cluster of cells in a PRE embryonic state.

    This is the same type of cluster of cells used in fertility clinics around the world to help people have babies the ones that are unused are just kept in the fertility clinics and eventually destroyed.

    So instead of destroying them why not use them? If people are against stem cell research then shouldn't they be agaisnt fertility clinics as well if this is true? One is destroying the potential life the other is keeping it in a state of suspended animation not allowing it to grow.

    I'm not attacking anyone's opinion I'm honestly tryign to become more informed. I think i lean towards this being a good thing but I want to learn more about it.

    Thanks for any clarification that can be offered.
    Charlotte 00 | Charlotte 03 | Asheville 04 | Atlanta 12 | Greenville 16 | Columbia 16 |Seattle 18  | Nashville 22 | Ohana Festival 24 x2 | Atlanta 25 x2

Categories