The Power Elite and the Secret Nazi Plan

evenflow

soulsinging wrote:

You completely missed the point of why he posted that. It had nothing to do with American mistakes. It was pointing out that America's mythical capitalist work ethic is not what built the wealth of this country... free slave labor was.

The American work ethic really came to fruition during and after WWII, whenever we came out the Great Depression. Slavery was over by then. That's whenever we built the wealth of this country. To claim that all of America's fortunes and power came only from slave labor is completely misleading and a slap in the face to every American who worked in factories, refineries, etc, or rolled the dice and started their own business. Sure cheap labor contributed, but there isn't one civilization or country that at some time during it's history hasn't resorted to slave labor. Small businesses are the backbone to this country being the number one employer of the American labor force.

And yes, America did have slaves, and used cheap labor, but for the last couple of decades we have also been far and away the number one country supporting the less fortunate through financial and human contributions. Sure we made mistakes in the past, and we might not be perfect yet, but no other country on the globe has done more to help the poor, and not just in our country, but all over the world.

soulsinging wrote:

Once again, you all confuse socialism and communism and treat them as the same thing. They're not socialism allows for plenty of small business. You ever hear of Scandinavia? They're all socialist and it seems to be going fine for them... none of this nonsense you're scare-mongering about. They are actually surviving and thriving as we speak. So there goes your theory.

How am I confusing socialism and communism? I never said socialism doesn't allow for small businesses, I said that if we tax all of our small businesses just to give the money to people who are not working, for whatever reason, then eventually the people who are busting their ass to start and build up small businesses are going to get tired of working just to pay taxes, and give up. It makes perfect sense, why am I going to risk all of my money, and work my butt off for countless hours whenever the government is just going to take half of everything I make and give it to somebody sitting on their couch? It kills people's motivation to work harder than the next person.

soulsinging wrote:

You can't have capitalism without greed. The desire for more money is what drives capitalism. That is the very definition of greed. The capitalist system promotes, encourages, and rewards greed... saying capitalism would be fine without greed is like saying communism would be fine without sharing... it makes no sense, it's central to the very concept.

Surviving and thriving in businesses is not always greed. Believe it or not, some people just have the drive and want to better themselves. People who instantly go to the greed argument seem to ignore the drive to make an honest living by working harder than others. Pride in one's work and the idea of earning what you make through an honest and hard days work are not dead and forgotten values. Call me crazy, but I don't want to make more than what I earn. That's not saying I don't want to make more money, but I don't want to paid more just for the hell of it. I want to earn what I make, it motivates me to try harder and to go above and beyond what my job description says. I know it sounds corny and really old school, but it's true. I guess I'm one of the few that doesn't want a hand out. Unfortunately in this day and age that mode of thought is becoming the minority. Socialism just promotes the "hand out" way of thinking, and adds to the problem exponentially.

Motha Judson

DriftingByTheStorm wrote:

Taken from Chapter II -- PROLETARIANS AND COMMUNISTS

You have got to be kidding me here?