The Power Elite and the Secret Nazi Plan
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This is a GREAT article.
You kinda have to just roll with it, and if you are a newb, go back and look in to each line item as you have time. The gestalt it leaves is pretty impressive, he really weaves a lot of diverse facts in to one helluva interesting picture. His second editor's note regarding the current crisis is also worth bringing attention to (and so is his bio at the end of the article).
THE POWER ELITE AND THE SECRET NAZI PLAN
By Dennis L. Cuddy, Ph.D.
February 23, 2009
NewsWithViews.com
[NOTE: As I’ve written many times before, the goal of the Power Elite (PE) is a World Socialist Government. Critical to coercing Americans to accept Socialism is the nationalization of key sectors of the economy, such as banking. I’ve indicated in the past that this type of coercion would be brought about by an economic crisis, such as the one we are currently experiencing. Relevant to this, Jon Meacham and Evan Thomas wrote “We Are All Socialists Now” (Newsweek, Feb. 16, 2009), and Matthew Richardson and Nouriel Roubini wrote “Nationalize the Banks! We’re all Swedes Now!” (The Washington Post, Feb. 15, 2009) which begins: “The U.S. banking system is close to being insolvent, and unless we want to become like Japan in the 1990s—or the United States in the 1930s—the only way to save it is to nationalize it.” Even Republican Sen. Lindsey Graham on ABC’s “This Week” (Feb. 15, 2009) indicated we should consider the possibility of nationalizing banks.
[And in case you think this crisis happened accidentally, just consider the fact that “the Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC) waived the 12 to 1 leverage ratios for the five biggest investment banks. Those banks then leveraged 40 to 1 and collapsed the worldwide financial system” (January 5, 2009 Financial Sense editorial by James Quinn of the Wharton Business School). Do you really believe no one could see what the disastrous results of going from 12 to 1 leveraging to 40 to 1 would be? When these banks started taking losses, Quinn has also pointed out, their capital was immediately wiped out and the problem was dumped in the taxpayers’ laps.]
In previous columns, I’ve mentioned the secret Nazi plan described in American official Sumner Welles’ The Time for Decision (1944). It was a plan (for a Nazi loss in WWII) which would come to fruition two generations later. It included Nazi agents going underground into two successive countries to avoid detection (Paul Dickopf went underground into Switzerland in 1942). These agents would eventually rise to positions of power in those second nations.
Welles must have learned of this secret plan when he was on friendly terms with the Nazi leadership long before the U.S. entered WWII. A Google search of “sumner welles portraits” shows a photograph of Welles and Hermann Goering on March 19, 1940. But why almost two years before the U.S. entered WWII would the Nazis plan for a loss? And why after WWII was there never an investigation of this secret plan? Robert Ludlum in his fictional The Apocalypse Watch referred to “The Brotherhood of the Watch” a global neo-Nazi secret organization formed in the days after the Third Reich’s defeat and exposed about 50 years later.
As I’ve written before, Hitler’s rise and demise were facilitated by the PE. In the same year (1942) the Nazi agent Paul Dickoff went underground into Switzerland and the U.S. was already in the war, “Standard Oil of New Jersey managers shipped the enemy’s fuel through neutral Switzerland and the enemy was shipping Allied fuel. The Chase Bank in Nazi-occupied Paris after Pearl Harbor was doing millions of dollars worth of business with the enemy with the full knowledge of the heard office in Manhattan. Ford trucks were being built for the German occupation troops in France with authorization from Dearborn, Michigan. Col. Sosthenes Behn, head of ITT, flew from New York to Madrid to Berne during the war to help improve Hitler’s communications systems and improve the robot bombs that devastated London. And ITT built the Focke-Wulfs that dropped bombs on British and American troops.” (Charles Higham’s Trading With the Enemy, p. xv).
As I’ve also written before, I.G. Farben’s war industries (e.g. chemicals, rubber, etc.) staffed and directed Hitler’s intelligence section and ran the Nazi slave labor camps. So why at the end of WWII were 87% of Farben’s industries still intact?
At the end of the war, U.S. Justice Department attorney James Stewart Martin (author of All Honorable Men, 1950) went to Germany to sort out the relationship of American and German businesses during the war, but he was thwarted in his efforts, saying: “We had not been stopped in Germany by German businesses. We had been stopped in Germany by American business. The forces that stopped us had operated from the United States but had not operated in the open. We were not stopped by a law of Congress, by an Executive Order of the President, or even by a change of policy approved by the president…. In short, whatever it was that stopped us was not ‘the government.’ But it clearly had command of channels through which the government normally operates. The relative powerlessness of government… is of course not new…. National governments have stood on the sidelines while bigger operators arranged the world’s affairs.” Relevant to this, it’s important to remember that the PE is NOT the government of any country, but the PE’s agents are IN the governments of countries.
In order to explain what the PE was doing, it is important to look at how they operate, and John J. McCloy as an agent of the PE is a useful example of this regard. In the 1930s, PE agent McCloy’s law firm of Cravath, de Gersdorff, Swaine & Wood were attorneys for I.G. Farben. This is perhaps one reason McCloy sat in Hitler’s box at the 1936 Olympics in Berlin (because the PE is neither right nor left politically, McCloy in late July 1961 went swimming with Soviet leader Nikita Khrushchev in the Black Sea).
On October 29 of the same year (1936), American Ambassador to Germany William E. Dodd wrote to President Wilson’s chief advisor Col. Edward M. House expressing his surprise and wonder that “in spite of all the debts and all the huge losses since the great war, more than a hundred of our greater corporations have subsidiaries here and are of course involved in a great deal of the acute business which goes on. At the same time no corporation can take profits out of the country, although some I am told earn as much as half a million dollars a year…. Yet a great many of these corporations are supplying the means for rearmament, actually supplying arms. It’s strange to me that they are willing to risk the property of their stockholders in such a way.”
Four years later, Skull & Bones member Henry Stimson went to Washington to become President Franklin Roosevelt’s Secretary of War, and he brought McCloy with him as Assistant Secretary of War. To demonstrate the importance of McCloy, Stimson would later question “whether anyone in the Administration ever acted without having a word with McCloy.”
McCloy’s lawfirm had as one of its clients the Rockefeller family, and during WWII McCloy was a senior member of John D. Rockefeller III’s intelligence group, the State-War-Navy Coordinating Committee (SWNCC). With this background, McCloy established the highly secret U.S. Army’s Psychological Warfare Division at the time of D-Day in 1944. It was also during this time from 1940 to 1946 that American Thomas Harrington McKittrick (an associate of J.P. Morgan Banking) was president of the Nazi-controlled Bank for International Settlements (BIS) where $378 million of the Nazis’ looted gold had been sent.
© 2009 Dennis Cuddy - All Rights Reserved
Dennis Laurence Cuddy, historian and political analyst, received a Ph.D. from the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill (major in American History, minor in political science). Dr. Cuddy has taught at the university level, has been a political and economic risk analyst for an international consulting firm, and has been a Senior Associate with the U.S. Department of Education.
Cuddy has also testified before members of Congress on behalf of the U.S. Department of Justice. Dr. Cuddy has authored or edited twenty books and booklets, and has written hundreds of articles appearing in newspapers around the nation, including The Washington Post, Los Angeles Times and USA Today. He has been a guest on numerous radio talk shows in various parts of the country, such as ABC Radio in New York City, and he has also been a guest on the national television programs USA Today and CBS's Nightwatch.
You kinda have to just roll with it, and if you are a newb, go back and look in to each line item as you have time. The gestalt it leaves is pretty impressive, he really weaves a lot of diverse facts in to one helluva interesting picture. His second editor's note regarding the current crisis is also worth bringing attention to (and so is his bio at the end of the article).
THE POWER ELITE AND THE SECRET NAZI PLAN
By Dennis L. Cuddy, Ph.D.
February 23, 2009
NewsWithViews.com
[NOTE: As I’ve written many times before, the goal of the Power Elite (PE) is a World Socialist Government. Critical to coercing Americans to accept Socialism is the nationalization of key sectors of the economy, such as banking. I’ve indicated in the past that this type of coercion would be brought about by an economic crisis, such as the one we are currently experiencing. Relevant to this, Jon Meacham and Evan Thomas wrote “We Are All Socialists Now” (Newsweek, Feb. 16, 2009), and Matthew Richardson and Nouriel Roubini wrote “Nationalize the Banks! We’re all Swedes Now!” (The Washington Post, Feb. 15, 2009) which begins: “The U.S. banking system is close to being insolvent, and unless we want to become like Japan in the 1990s—or the United States in the 1930s—the only way to save it is to nationalize it.” Even Republican Sen. Lindsey Graham on ABC’s “This Week” (Feb. 15, 2009) indicated we should consider the possibility of nationalizing banks.
[And in case you think this crisis happened accidentally, just consider the fact that “the Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC) waived the 12 to 1 leverage ratios for the five biggest investment banks. Those banks then leveraged 40 to 1 and collapsed the worldwide financial system” (January 5, 2009 Financial Sense editorial by James Quinn of the Wharton Business School). Do you really believe no one could see what the disastrous results of going from 12 to 1 leveraging to 40 to 1 would be? When these banks started taking losses, Quinn has also pointed out, their capital was immediately wiped out and the problem was dumped in the taxpayers’ laps.]
In previous columns, I’ve mentioned the secret Nazi plan described in American official Sumner Welles’ The Time for Decision (1944). It was a plan (for a Nazi loss in WWII) which would come to fruition two generations later. It included Nazi agents going underground into two successive countries to avoid detection (Paul Dickopf went underground into Switzerland in 1942). These agents would eventually rise to positions of power in those second nations.
Welles must have learned of this secret plan when he was on friendly terms with the Nazi leadership long before the U.S. entered WWII. A Google search of “sumner welles portraits” shows a photograph of Welles and Hermann Goering on March 19, 1940. But why almost two years before the U.S. entered WWII would the Nazis plan for a loss? And why after WWII was there never an investigation of this secret plan? Robert Ludlum in his fictional The Apocalypse Watch referred to “The Brotherhood of the Watch” a global neo-Nazi secret organization formed in the days after the Third Reich’s defeat and exposed about 50 years later.
As I’ve written before, Hitler’s rise and demise were facilitated by the PE. In the same year (1942) the Nazi agent Paul Dickoff went underground into Switzerland and the U.S. was already in the war, “Standard Oil of New Jersey managers shipped the enemy’s fuel through neutral Switzerland and the enemy was shipping Allied fuel. The Chase Bank in Nazi-occupied Paris after Pearl Harbor was doing millions of dollars worth of business with the enemy with the full knowledge of the heard office in Manhattan. Ford trucks were being built for the German occupation troops in France with authorization from Dearborn, Michigan. Col. Sosthenes Behn, head of ITT, flew from New York to Madrid to Berne during the war to help improve Hitler’s communications systems and improve the robot bombs that devastated London. And ITT built the Focke-Wulfs that dropped bombs on British and American troops.” (Charles Higham’s Trading With the Enemy, p. xv).
As I’ve also written before, I.G. Farben’s war industries (e.g. chemicals, rubber, etc.) staffed and directed Hitler’s intelligence section and ran the Nazi slave labor camps. So why at the end of WWII were 87% of Farben’s industries still intact?
At the end of the war, U.S. Justice Department attorney James Stewart Martin (author of All Honorable Men, 1950) went to Germany to sort out the relationship of American and German businesses during the war, but he was thwarted in his efforts, saying: “We had not been stopped in Germany by German businesses. We had been stopped in Germany by American business. The forces that stopped us had operated from the United States but had not operated in the open. We were not stopped by a law of Congress, by an Executive Order of the President, or even by a change of policy approved by the president…. In short, whatever it was that stopped us was not ‘the government.’ But it clearly had command of channels through which the government normally operates. The relative powerlessness of government… is of course not new…. National governments have stood on the sidelines while bigger operators arranged the world’s affairs.” Relevant to this, it’s important to remember that the PE is NOT the government of any country, but the PE’s agents are IN the governments of countries.
In order to explain what the PE was doing, it is important to look at how they operate, and John J. McCloy as an agent of the PE is a useful example of this regard. In the 1930s, PE agent McCloy’s law firm of Cravath, de Gersdorff, Swaine & Wood were attorneys for I.G. Farben. This is perhaps one reason McCloy sat in Hitler’s box at the 1936 Olympics in Berlin (because the PE is neither right nor left politically, McCloy in late July 1961 went swimming with Soviet leader Nikita Khrushchev in the Black Sea).
On October 29 of the same year (1936), American Ambassador to Germany William E. Dodd wrote to President Wilson’s chief advisor Col. Edward M. House expressing his surprise and wonder that “in spite of all the debts and all the huge losses since the great war, more than a hundred of our greater corporations have subsidiaries here and are of course involved in a great deal of the acute business which goes on. At the same time no corporation can take profits out of the country, although some I am told earn as much as half a million dollars a year…. Yet a great many of these corporations are supplying the means for rearmament, actually supplying arms. It’s strange to me that they are willing to risk the property of their stockholders in such a way.”
Four years later, Skull & Bones member Henry Stimson went to Washington to become President Franklin Roosevelt’s Secretary of War, and he brought McCloy with him as Assistant Secretary of War. To demonstrate the importance of McCloy, Stimson would later question “whether anyone in the Administration ever acted without having a word with McCloy.”
McCloy’s lawfirm had as one of its clients the Rockefeller family, and during WWII McCloy was a senior member of John D. Rockefeller III’s intelligence group, the State-War-Navy Coordinating Committee (SWNCC). With this background, McCloy established the highly secret U.S. Army’s Psychological Warfare Division at the time of D-Day in 1944. It was also during this time from 1940 to 1946 that American Thomas Harrington McKittrick (an associate of J.P. Morgan Banking) was president of the Nazi-controlled Bank for International Settlements (BIS) where $378 million of the Nazis’ looted gold had been sent.
© 2009 Dennis Cuddy - All Rights Reserved
Dennis Laurence Cuddy, historian and political analyst, received a Ph.D. from the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill (major in American History, minor in political science). Dr. Cuddy has taught at the university level, has been a political and economic risk analyst for an international consulting firm, and has been a Senior Associate with the U.S. Department of Education.
Cuddy has also testified before members of Congress on behalf of the U.S. Department of Justice. Dr. Cuddy has authored or edited twenty books and booklets, and has written hundreds of articles appearing in newspapers around the nation, including The Washington Post, Los Angeles Times and USA Today. He has been a guest on numerous radio talk shows in various parts of the country, such as ABC Radio in New York City, and he has also been a guest on the national television programs USA Today and CBS's Nightwatch.
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2. What's so inherently awful about socialism? It's a foregone conclusion in our modern society... the fact is that we are no longer at a point where it is morally acceptable to advocate a dog eat dog society where the poor are crushed under the heel of unchecked capitalism and allowed to starve while wealthy industrialists have 3 jets apiece... and that's a good thing.
its a shining example as to why capitalism shouldn't be embraced. profit was the bottom line. as it is now.
On paper socialism seems like a good idea, but in reality it will never work. Whenever people talk against capitalistic business they like to conjure up images of the big greedy corporate manager and his 20 jets and unlimited bank account. The real truth is that those instances are few and far between, and they are not what really drives a capitalistic society. The real driving force behind capitalism is the hard working people who make, run, and work for the millions of small businesses. There's a reason why there has never been a true socialist/communist society that has survived and thrived in prosperity. Human nature goes against it. It's the whole argument of, "why am I going to work my ass off to support someone who just wants to sit at home and receive government checks". Socialism will (and already has started to) kill the very thing that made this country the greatest in the world: the American work ethic. It's no secret that our work ethic has already been destroyed, and combined with losing the majority of our manufacturing jobs overseas, the closer we move to a pure socialistic system, the worse our country is going to become.
Even more people are going to lose the will to work, including all those people who work so hard to create businesses. That means there will be even less jobs, which means more people on living off the government teet (hehe, I said teet), with less people contributing to the pot. That means in order to to continue, it will take even more money from the few people that still have not given up on an honest hard day's work. But how much more would it take before they say, screw it, and give up also? Then it's bye bye to the country as we know it.
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'Socialism will (and already has started to) kill the very thing that made this country the greatest in the world: the American work ethic.'
man. Before you trumpet your country as the 'greatest', it needs to be pointed out that the American work ethic did NOT make your country the 'greatest' (most powerful) in the world. The FORCED work ethic of a couple hundred years of slavery did that, and continues to do so to this day....it's just been outsourced. Captialism is far from perfect. It NEEDS cheap labour, and will always be looking for new sources for, or ways to create that cheap labour.
Take a look at some of these figures:
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news ... ilee2.html
Of the 6.5 million immigrants who survived the crossing of the Atlantic and settled in the Western Hemisphere between 1492 and 1776, only 1 million were Europeans. The remaining 5.5 million were African. An average of 80 percent of these enslaved Africans—men, women, and children—were employed, mostly as field-workers. Women as well as children worked in some capacity. Only very young children (under six), the elderly, the sick, and the infirm escaped the day-to-day work routine.
http://www.nathanielturner.com/slaverya ... conomy.htm
The first African slaves hit the shores of the United States in 1619 and were constantly imported into the US until 1860 even though importation had been outlawed in 1808. Over those intervening 246 years they contributed more than 605 billion hours of free labor, which funded the Industrial Revolution, financed most of the fortune 500 companies, helped finance two World Wars, and left a negative sociological impact on an entire race of people.
Slaves born in the US since slave importation started decreasing in 1810 supplied most of the labor. Importation as a source of free labor was replaced by forced breeding because it was a lot more profitable. However, the profits obtained from slave importation were phenomenal since slaves could be purchased in Africa for less than $40 and sold in the US for between $500 and $1,000. Profits obtained from a single ship traversing the golden triangle passage averaged greater than $175,000 even though as many as one in three of the slaves died during the middle passage. Commodities (cotton, tobacco, Bibles, and guns) were the cargoes on the other two legs of the triangle.
To determine the economic value of slavery, the population of slaves in the US was obtained from the US Census Bureau. It was assumed that, on average, slaves worked some 60 hours per week for 51 weeks during the years with the average pay rate over the 164 years at $.10 per hour. All of these assumptions are conservative since underreporting was a common practice since state and local taxes had to be paid on the number of slaves. This practice was offset since congressional representation counted slaves as 3/5 of a person.
The results of the economic value of this free labor are, when inflated conservatively at 3% to 2006 dollars, a staggering value of 20.3 trillion dollars or to put this number in a more visual perspective; it amounts to $563,450 per African American currently living in the US...........
Following the thread of these dollars would be another interesting aspect of black economic research since even without detailed research it is known that Aetna Insurance Co., E.I. Dupont, and J.P. Morgan, Brown University, to name a very, very few, reaped substantial benefits from the grim business of slavery. For example, Pierre Bauduy purchased 4 out of the original 16 shares issued for the E.I. DuPont Company for $8,000. Pierre Bauduy obtained his money from the profits of a Haitian plantation which he was forced to vacate during the Haitian revolution.
The manufacturers of slave ships and cotton merchants heavily financed Brown University in its early beginnings. Aetna Insurance Co. sold insurance policies on slaves to protect slave owners from the losses of run away slaves. The original capital for J.P. Morgan was derived from its cotton trading company in the South. So much fortune was amassed off the backs of the cotton, tobacco, and rice-picking slaves that J.P. Morgan loaned money to the US government during the Civil War.
Another way to view the economic contribution of slavery to the US economy would be to assume that only 5% of the value of the slave labor was invested in the stock market in the year the labor was accrued. Five percent was chosen since this is the most common bottom line that is found in Fortune 500 income statements. Using market growth data provided by the Rittenhouse Trust data and the moneys are accumulated from 1700 through 1830 (the beginning of the Rittenhouse data), yields a value of $6.42 trillion current dollars. The subsequent moneys are invested at the time they accrued yields an additional $1.44 trillion.
Combining these values leads to a staggering $7.86 quadrillion in 2006 dollars!.....
But I have to say something when the whole rah-rah America bullshit starts up. Maybe I should have asked for clarification on 'greatest country in the world'. Maybe he was just talking nukes or something. What is so 'great' about the US that other modern nations can't provide? Why would someone think that Americans have a work ethic so superior to other nations that it made you 'the greatest'? Even if the remark was made off-the-cuff, it shows the engrained nationalism, the insolent attitude that makes people resent the US, esp when considering the slave trade and what it did to bring your country to a position of world power.
Slavery never ended...it's changed a bit. We bring the factories to them now....and give them a choice between starving and barely surviving....then we ship the goods home and mark it up 3000%. I know you're going to say 'they have the choice to work there or not', but they are NOT getting fair pay and if they demand it, we move the factory. But there IS also more forced labour in these places than many of us care to acknowledge.
Consider the $0.10/hr figure above, the average pay of slaves during the slave trade....Taiwanese Nike workers make $59 a month...that's $0.38 an hour, assuming a 40hr work week (which I doubt)....so, adjusted for inflation, these people are making less than American slaves did.
Recognizing and learning from mistakes would entail a major change in foreign and trade policies, reparations and apologies....haven't seen any of that yet bro, sorry.
You completely missed the point of why he posted that. It had nothing to do with American mistakes. It was pointing out that America's mythical capitalist work ethic is not what built the wealth of this country... free slave labor was.
Once again, you all confuse socialism and communism and treat them as the same thing. They're not socialism allows for plenty of small business. You ever hear of Scandinavia? They're all socialist and it seems to be going fine for them... none of this nonsense you're scare-mongering about. They are actually surviving and thriving as we speak. So there goes your theory.
Our manufacturing jobs going overseas has nothing to do with some decline in the American work ethic... it's pure capitalism. The people elsewhere will work longer hours in worse conditions for a fraction of the cost. Why would any business turn that down? That's just good business from a capitalist standpoint. Are you suggesting American workers need to stop being prima donnas and accept the wages people get in sweat shops in India or China?
Also, Americans work harder than almost any country on the planet, certainly of all Western countries. This whole work ethic crap is a myth. Americans work more hours per week, with fewer break, and less vacation time and days off than any country in Europe. We're not lazy... we're workaholics. The problem isn't American workers, the problem is capitalism... it makes sense for companies to increase profits by sending our jobs elsewhere to be done cheaper. Period. It doesn't matter how hard we work.
Lastly, it's "teat."
You can't have capitalism without greed. The desire for more money is what drives capitalism. That is the very definition of greed. The capitalist system promotes, encourages, and rewards greed... saying capitalism would be fine without greed is like saying communism would be fine without sharing... it makes no sense, it's central to the very concept.
I'd just like to point out real quick before anyone continues to much further down a very moot rabbit hole regarding Capitalism vs. Socialism or Communism or any other combination of the 3...
Taken from Chapter II -- PROLETARIANS AND COMMUNISTS
Karl Marx's Manifesto of the Communist Party
1848
1. Abolition of property in land and application of all rents of land to public purposes.
[we have rent controls, and even worse: eminent domain laws, and some damn scary Executive Orders]
2. A heavy progressive or graduated income tax.
[Second most important, BY FAR]
3. Abolition of all rights of inheritance.
4. Confiscation of the property of all emigrants and rebels.
5. Centralization of credit in the banks of the state, by means of a national bank with state capital and an exclusive monopoly.
[Most Important BY FAR]
6. Centralization of the means of communication and transport in the hands of the state.
7. Extension of factories and instruments of production owned by the state; the bringing into cultivation of waste lands, and the improvement of the soil generally in accordance with a common plan.
[The Banks, The Auto Industry, what's next?]
8. Equal obligation of all to work. Establishment of industrial armies, especially for agriculture.
[Obama's "Volunteer" Corp ?]
9. Combination of agriculture with manufacturing industries; gradual abolition of all the distinction between town and country by a more equable distribution of the populace over the country.
[This happened in the 1950s in America. Agriculture has been a part of Large Industry for a long time.]
10. Free education for all children in public schools. Abolition of children's factory labor in its present form. Combination of education with industrial production, etc.
[3rd Most Important, BY FAR]
The United States, currently with it's Federalized income tax , Central Bank, and Public Education
LOOKS A LOT MORE LIKE SOME SORT OF BIZZARE MONOPOLY-CAPITALIST\COMMUNIST HYBRID THAN ANY "FREE MARKET CAPITALIST REPUBLIC" I'VE EVER HEARD OF!
Lets not go barking up the wrong tree accusing the "free markets" of failing us, when what we have is a shim-sham system of lies, and bullshit.
The Central Government has utterly destroyed the Constitution, made a mockery of "markets", and through collusive and cartel-ized "central planning" has utterly perverted the intentions of our founders, and wrecked the hopes of this country.
That wasn't the fault of "capitalism", that was the fault of the people,
for letting politicians be bought off, not doing a damn thing about it,
and being generally ignorant as fuck.
THIS IS OUR FAULT.
Now GO SUPPORT YOUR STATE SOVEREIGNTY MOVEMENTS!
If I opened it now would you not understand?
Nonsense. That's capitalism. Some at the top will always gain more money and power, and here in America they got it and bought the government into doing what they wanted. There wasn't shit the people could do. As long as you have free market capitalism, you will always have people with more resources exercising more power and influence than those without. And they're going to use that to protect and advance their interests at the expense of the powerless because capitalism sets no ceiling on what they can take. It's intrinsic to human nature that once you get what you want, you realize you want more. That's greed.
People are dumb. We're herd animals at heart. Going back to the days we crawled out of caves, we made chiefs and shaman to tell us what to do. Later it was kings and lords versus the serfs. Now its captains of industry. There is nothing new about any of this story.
So there are no super-rich elite controlling everything in countries with Communism or Socialism?
Seriously.
That's HUMANITY.
A Free Market Republic with sound currency, representative government, and undelegated rights expressly reserved to the people and states, was man's BEST hope at limiting this INHERENT FLAW IN MANKIND.
There is STILL hope, but don't delude yourself in to thinking it is the fault of our form of government that has failed us.
Personal property is a right to be cherrished, not eschewed as backwards or unhumane.
It was the MAJOR principle our ENTIRE country was founded on.
Period.
If I opened it now would you not understand?
Who's they?
(dramatic pause)
The international bankers.
They operate above all other structures, and have for centuries. They are untouchable. Rothschild, Rockefeller, Morgan, Warburg (off the top o my head).
These families top the hierarchy, and the people in power in big business and government that work for them, knowingly or unknowingly, make up the balance of the structure. I suppose, by default, that includes you and I.
The world and central banks they've created do their business outside of the capitalist structure, as completely unchecked monopolies.
Now, if you can concede that these banking interests are having closed-door meetings with government, intelligence and the business communities, via the CFR, Trilateral Commission, the Bilderbergs, the IMF, you have to admit that it is not simply rich people trying to make more money. It is illegal collusion on a global scale, which makes their business plan, whatever it may be, a conspiracy by nature.
I guess you could say it's capitalism run amok...they have cornered much of the world money market, it's consolidation time.
I guess the simplified answer to the second part of your question is that a larger, more powerful government, with higher taxation, esp one operating globally with one currency, makes their looting easier.
If capitalism is so bad why dosent everybody work for free. why dont you go read the definition of capitalism it says nothing about greed. I had a small business one time dose that make me greedy? hell no it doesn't. I just wanted to make a better life for my self and I got tired of punching aq time clock for someone else, and not everybody wants to live in scandinavia.
http://befreetech.com/fluoridation.htm
It has been said by Anthony C. Sutton in his book, Wall Street and the Rise of Hitler: "Without the capital supplied by Wall Street, there would have been no I. G. Farben in the first place, and almost certainly no Adolph Hitler and World War II."
Interssen Gemeinschaft Farben (Interessen Gemeinschaft der Deutschen Teerfarbeninduistrie, or, simply, I.G. Farben) was a German chemical manufacturing concern that supplied the chlorine gas used by Germany during the First World War, but the eventual creation of the huge I.G.Farben cartel began in 1924 when American bankers began to arrange foreign loans in what Professor Carroll Quigley terms "the Dawes Plan", "largely a J.P. Morgan production"/
In 1928 Henry Ford merged his German assets with I.G. Farben, to be followed by the American Standard Oil Company (the Rockefellers) who, in concert with I.G.Farben, developed the coal-to-oil hydrogenation process.
In a letter to Roosevelt from Berlin in the early 'thirties, the US Ambassador in Germany, William Dodd, said:
"At the present moment, more than a hundred American corporations have subsidiaries here or cooperative understandings.
"The DuPonts have their allies in Germany that are aiding in the armament business. Their chief ally is the I.G. Farben Company, a part of the government which gives 200,000 marks a year to one propaganda organization operating on American opinion.
"Standard Oil Company ... sent US$500,000 a year helping Germans make ersatz [a substitute] gas [the hydrogenation process of converting coal to gasoline] for war purposes; but Standard Oil cannot take any of its earnings out of the country except in goods.
"The International Harvester Company president told me their business here rose 33% a year [arms manufacture, I believe], they could take nothing out.
"Even our airplanes people have secret arrangements with Krupps.
"General Motors Company and Ford do enormous business here through their subsidiaries and take no profits out."
The I.G. Farben assets in America were controlled by a holding company, American I.G. Farben, which listed on its Board of Directors: Edsel Ford, President of the Ford Motor Company; Chas. E. Mitchell, President of Rockefeller's National City Bank of New York; Walter Teagle, President of Standard Oil of New York; Paul Warburg, Chairman of the Federal Reserve and brother of Max Warburg, financier of Germany's war effort; and Herman Metz, a Director of the Bank of Manhattan, controlled by the Warburgs.
It is an interesting fact of history that three other members of the Board of American I.G. Farben were tried and convicted as German "war criminals" for their "crimes against humanity" during World War II, while serving on the I.G. Farben Board of Governors. None of the Americans who sat on the same board as those convicted was ever tried as a "war criminal".
Throughout the entire second World War conflict, not one bomb fell on the I.G. Farben headquarters in Frankfurt, Germany, allegedly as a consequence of Allied orders.
In 1938, I.G. Farben borrowed 500 tons of tetra-ethyl lead, the gasoline additive, from Standard Oil.
During 1939, the year Germany invaded Austria and Poland, the Standard Oil Company of New Jersey loaned I.G. Farben US$20,000,000 worth of high-grade gasoline.
In 1939 the American Aluminum Company (Alcoa), then probably the world's largest producer of sodium fluoride, transferred its technology to Germany (the Alted Agreement). The Dow Chemical Company transmitted its experience and technology in that same period.
Germany's two largest tank manufacturers were Opel, a subsidiary of General Motors (J.P. Morgan), and the German subsidiary of the Ford Motor Company.
Even with the purchase of oil from non-German sources, the major supplier of oil was still the Farben cartel. The I.G. Farben cartel a monopoly on German gasoline production. Just under one half of the Germans' high-octane gasoline in 1945 was produced directly by I.G. Farben, and most of the balance by its affiliated companies.
So, in 1941 when cylinders of Zyklon B, the deadly cyanide-based extermination gas made by I.G. Farben, were lethally unvalved on inmates of Auschwitz, Bitterfeld, Walfen, Hoechst, Agfa, Ludwigshafen and Buchenwald, there were more than substantial links between huge American technology and German manufacturers.
What of IG Farben Today
I.G. Farben signed cartel agreements with such companies as Imperial Chemical Industries (ICI), Borden , Carnation, General Mill, M.W. Kellogg Co., Nestle and Pet Milk, and I. G. Farben either owns outright, has had a substantial interest in or has had other cartel agreements with Owl Drug, Parke-Davis and Co., Bayer and Co., Whitehall Laboratories, Chef-Boy-Ar-Dee Foods, Bristol Meyers and Squibb and Sons. The list goes on and on and on and includes Proctor and Gamble.
I agree. In theory, both capitalism and socialism have their merits. But no economic system or ideology will work without public involvement and oversight. I don't think we're too dumb to 'get it' en masse....I just think we're too comfortable and complacent to care...for now.
Agreed, absolutely.
My disagreement with socialism is with Central Planning, which i feel is something NOT best utilized by FEDERAL governments. If a town wants to have a "master plan" or whatever, at the municipal level, or if states want to enter in to some sort of comprehensive reform programs AT THE BEHEST OF THEIR CONSTITUENCY, then by all means, GO FOR IT.
But subscribing centralized planning power to a nationaly centralized authority is stupid at the outset, and ignorant of the complexities of modern life. Even statism fails to account for some of the radical changes needed in our world (and trying to involve my self with grass-roots food system change, i can tell you the State -- even if you live in a very progressive one -- is a SLOW mechanism for change, at best) ... and perhaps one day the people would be moral, sane, and sober enough to address some sort of Rothbardian concept like Anarcho-Capitalism, but for now, lets just work to REVIVE THE SYSTEM WE HAD.
Now,
Regarding your OTHER post, ie. IG Farben et. al. ...
i am in continual amazement at how many people can SEE THE SAME 20 NAMES (give or take) in reference to ALL of the worlds major ills for the past 100 years, AND FAIL TO RECOGNIZE COLLUSIVE EFFORT TO DISEMPOWER, MURDER, AND PLUNDER THE PEOPLE on a part of a combined engine of Corporatized "Government".
This isn't some stupid fair tale.
Go read a REAL history book and figure it out for yourself.
It wasn't just an "accident of capitalism" that caused the world to collapse out of some "chaos theory".
THAT is a dreamed simplicity, NOT "conspiracy".
Chaos Theory may indeed be what saves us, but not for want of THEIR WILL.
If I opened it now would you not understand?
I watched this doc http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LEzXln5kbuw (The Take by Naomi Klein) the other day, and couldn't help but be charmed by the concept of small-scale socialism.(edit now this thread is bumped again...yes, it's communism :roll: :oops: )
I don't think the second part of that was intended for me, but for the record, I don't think what's happening to the world is a result of chaos...my 'capitalism run amok' was a suggested, ready-made label for the situation we're in, but I suppose it contradicts my earlier statement that these people operate outside of the capitalist system. I was implying that the 'conspiracy' is the business plans and models of these people.
The American work ethic really came to fruition during and after WWII, whenever we came out the Great Depression. Slavery was over by then. That's whenever we built the wealth of this country. To claim that all of America's fortunes and power came only from slave labor is completely misleading and a slap in the face to every American who worked in factories, refineries, etc, or rolled the dice and started their own business. Sure cheap labor contributed, but there isn't one civilization or country that at some time during it's history hasn't resorted to slave labor. Small businesses are the backbone to this country being the number one employer of the American labor force.
And yes, America did have slaves, and used cheap labor, but for the last couple of decades we have also been far and away the number one country supporting the less fortunate through financial and human contributions. Sure we made mistakes in the past, and we might not be perfect yet, but no other country on the globe has done more to help the poor, and not just in our country, but all over the world.
How am I confusing socialism and communism? I never said socialism doesn't allow for small businesses, I said that if we tax all of our small businesses just to give the money to people who are not working, for whatever reason, then eventually the people who are busting their ass to start and build up small businesses are going to get tired of working just to pay taxes, and give up. It makes perfect sense, why am I going to risk all of my money, and work my butt off for countless hours whenever the government is just going to take half of everything I make and give it to somebody sitting on their couch? It kills people's motivation to work harder than the next person.
Surviving and thriving in businesses is not always greed. Believe it or not, some people just have the drive and want to better themselves. People who instantly go to the greed argument seem to ignore the drive to make an honest living by working harder than others. Pride in one's work and the idea of earning what you make through an honest and hard days work are not dead and forgotten values. Call me crazy, but I don't want to make more than what I earn. That's not saying I don't want to make more money, but I don't want to paid more just for the hell of it. I want to earn what I make, it motivates me to try harder and to go above and beyond what my job description says. I know it sounds corny and really old school, but it's true. I guess I'm one of the few that doesn't want a hand out. Unfortunately in this day and age that mode of thought is becoming the minority. Socialism just promotes the "hand out" way of thinking, and adds to the problem exponentially.
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