Congratulations Heath Ledger

Heineken Helen

pjsteelerfan wrote:

Heineken Helen wrote:

AmentsChick wrote:

Question. Do you argue simply for the sake of arguing? :roll:

Answer: Nope, besides it's 'debating', not arguing.

Question: do you get annoyed simply for the sake of getting annoyed?

Yep, just a debate on two good performances and why we each thought the other was better

there was certainly no arguing on my part and i didn't feel that from you either... thought we both discussed our differing opinions quite respectfully actually so slap on the back for you and for me

Horos

Sorry to confuse you Helen, I just hate to misspell things and wasn't sure about Ledger.

milarso

soulsinging wrote:

milarso wrote:

To be honest, I thought Robert Downey Jr. was better too.

In Tropic Thunder? Don't get me wrong, he was great... but I don't know about that.

Heath was a shoe-in for a nomination. He was in the year's biggest movie and he stole the show while totally reinventing an American cultural icon. He deserved recognition and he would have gotten it regardless. If Johnny Depp can get nominated for being Jack Sparrow, Heath more than deserved his nomination and he'd have had it regardless.

Just a matter of opinion I guess. Ledger played a good role in a good movie.
The thing with Downey Jr. that got me was that he stole the show in an OK movie full of big names. I thought his performance was great too in the sense that,IMO, he did a great job acting in a comedy.
Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't have voted for him I if I had a vote. But I wouldn't have voted for Ledger either.
I thought PSH was the hands down best.
Again, just a matter of opinion.

Heineken Helen

Horos wrote:

Sorry to confuse you Helen, I just hate to misspell things and wasn't sure about Ledger.

it's ok... confusing me is easily done... very easily!

CROJAM95

Where do u think I stand on the topic


WILL SMITH said it best last night....this genre gets no love from the ass licking academy....cause these films actually have fans

not dissing any other film, I like all kinds of movie's, but it seems they go out of there way to not give due when its justified

TDK was a solid film for many reasons....HEATH stole every scene, and he deserved it...period, just my 2 cents

Heineken Helen

CROJAM95 wrote:

Where do u think I stand on the topic


WILL SMITH said it best last night....this genre gets no love from the ass licking academy....cause these films actually have fans

hmm... that's an interesting point... I wonder is it something to do with some movies being considered art, while with comic movies, it's the original comic that is actually the art... but then most movies have to be written by somebody so is it the book/screenplay that's the actual art? Bleh, don't mind me, just thinking aloud

Who Princess

CROJAM95 wrote:

Where do u think I stand on the topic


WILL SMITH said it best last night....this genre gets no love from the ass licking academy....cause these films actually have fans

not dissing any other film, I like all kinds of movie's, but it seems they go out of there way to not give due when its justified

TDK was a solid film for many reasons....HEATH stole every scene, and he deserved it...period, just my 2 cents

Agreed. Why wasn't it nominated for BEST PICTURE? Oh yeah, right.
While I'm on the subject, why no nominations for Iron Man, a great action film where for once the effects didn't detract from the story.

IMHO not only did Heath deserve his win, he should have been honored for Brokeback Mountain 3 years ago.

swede

I think heath ledger deserved it and would have and should have won it even if he hadnt passed away - that role he did gave me chills, gives me chills and even now when i think of it gives me chills - not many perfomances do that... sensational.

I dunno, each are open to their own opinions, that is just mine.

Cheers

grats ledger! wish you could be around longer to produce even more greatness

soulsinging

Heineken Helen wrote:

and, with that, I think we can respectfully agree to disagree then so cos I can see your points, you can see mine but I still think Hoffman was better... probably cos I thought the film was fantastic... if they'd have swapped roles, who knows, maybe now we'd be taking opposite sides of the argument . I just think Heath was helped by being GIVEN a scene stealing character... Hoffman's was just a dramatic character, nothing really amazing about it... but he MADE it amazing.

Yeah, but how many actors get a scenery-chewing character like that and end up totally hamming it up? Think of Gary Oldman in Leon... an entertaining performance to be sure, but nobody saw that and thought "give the man an Oscar!" Hell, you could say the same about Philip Seymour Hoffman in MI:3... phenomenal actor given a psychotic villain and doing an adequate but unmemorable job of it. I would also say the same of Nicholson's performance as the Joker... he hammed it up big time and it was entertaining but not Oscar-worthy. Ditto for Kevin Spacey as Lex Luthor... great actor, great role, good performance, but nothing award-worthy.

Ledger was given the same kind of role... the kind of role that seems predestined to become an over-the-top cheesefest... but he turned it into a very disturbing and chilling character. That is a relatively rare achievement... and everyone I can think of that did the same thing has won as Oscar for it... see Javier Bardem in No Country for Old Men, Anthony Hopkins as Hannibal Lecter, etc.

You can say you weren't impressed with the performance or you think others were better, but it's bullshit to say he didn't deserve anything and only got nominated because he died. Plenty of actors have died and not been nominated (again, Brandon Lee) and plenty others have given similar performances and won even though they didn't die.

swede

I agree with a lot of what soul singing has to say... good points

chiquimonkey

i think he did an amazing job in the dark knight, he stole every scene. i don't think him winning is a slight on the other actors in the category. i haven't seen doubt but i do want to, primarily to see streep and hoffman together, since they're both so amazing.

the other thing to consider about the oscars is that they don't always give the award to someone when they deserve it. i.e. russell crowe winning for gladiator, when in my opinion, he should have won it for the insider instead.

they also take sentimentalism into account (hence my bit of surprise that rourke didn't win). not to demerit ledger's win, as i feel it was deserved, but that's all a part of it too. plus hoffman will win in the future i'm sure, only a matter of time.

soulsinging

swede wrote:

I agree with a lot of what soul singing has to say... good points

Yours is a name I feel like I haven't seen round here in a VERY long time!

swede

yeh feels like a year or more - been so busy and figured i would drop in and see whats happening around the place and all of that.

wash_

I'm glad he won aswell. And whether the role was oscar worthy or not, why not let him win it this year as he won't have the opportunity to in the future.

And what harm has it done? I think the oscar should be thought of as a celebration of all of his work. He was a fantastic actor (Candy especially).

chiquimonkey

wash_ wrote:

I'm glad he won aswell. And whether the role was oscar worthy or not, why not let him win it this year as he won't have the opportunity to in the future.

And what harm has it done? I think the oscar should be thought of as a celebration of all of his work. He was a fantastic actor (Candy especially).

exactly. if he was a mediocre actor that just happened upon a good role by accident and did a good job, i could see some uproar. but he was talented. in my opinion, don't think it's a big deal.

jamie uk

Heineken Helen wrote:

ok, I get that TDK is the dark knight... but I'm stumped with HL :oops: never was into abbreviations :oops:

....and the winner of most stupidest missing of an obvious abbreviation in a post goes to..... HH

p.s.....Hels, did ya get HH ?

Heineken Helen

jamie uk wrote:

Heineken Helen wrote:

ok, I get that TDK is the dark knight... but I'm stumped with HL :oops: never was into abbreviations :oops:

....and the winner of most stupidest missing of an obvious abbreviation in a post goes to..... HH

p.s.....Hels, did ya get HH ?

ehhh... hitch-hiker??? But he didn't say anything.

jamie uk

Heineken Helen wrote:

jamie uk wrote:

Heineken Helen wrote:

ok, I get that TDK is the dark knight... but I'm stumped with HL :oops: never was into abbreviations :oops:

....and the winner of most stupidest missing of an obvious abbreviation in a post goes to..... HH

p.s.....Hels, did ya get HH ?

ehhh... hitch-hiker??? But he didn't say anything.

...shit, I was hoping to be sneaked off before you found that... :?

failedpersephone

I don't think that Heath was mentioned for oscar worthy before he died, as the movie came out way after...

just thought i would mention that...

also, didn't really think his performance warranted an oscar, but a lot of performances get oscars without having much to back it...it was more like a "lifetime achievement" really, since they weren't really basing it on his Joker performance.


by the way - WHY WAS BRAD RENFRO IGNORED AGAIN??? HE DIED. AND IT'S LIKE NO ONE REMEMBERS HIM.

threefish10

failedpersephone wrote:

I don't think that Heath was mentioned for oscar worthy before he died, as the movie came out way after...

by the way - WHY WAS BRAD RENFRO IGNORED AGAIN??? HE DIED. AND IT'S LIKE NO ONE REMEMBERS HIM.

Who???

and the dark knight was finished a fair bit before his death, and i remember seeing an interview with heath talking about it and possible oscar, i think from the Toronto Film Fest, but i can seem to find it.