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puremagicpuremagic Posts: 1,907
edited March 2009 in A Moving Train
They are acting like some goddamn high school players who don't want to play because their quarterback is black. Get over yourselves, its not about you, its about the people who elected you to make the best decisions in the interest of the State from which you represent and the Nation as a whole, not your petty ass Party.

If you have another source of income to help your States stay afloat, to put your constituents back to work, to support your failing businesses, and too control and stop foreclosures, put it on the table, - you had 8 goddamn years to have a plan in place - where is at? If all you got is your stupid, selfish Party pride get over it. When you still have people living in FEMA trailers, when you still have ground water contamination, seems to me, turning down stimulus help should be the last thing you would refuse. Then again, I'm not dependent on the governors of Louisiana or Mississippi, nor do I have presidential hopes for 2012.
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  • SolarWorldSolarWorld Posts: 1,902
    There really seems to be a huge disconnect from reality with these republican leaders. I say let them dig their own graves.
  • WaveCameCrashinWaveCameCrashin Posts: 2,929
    SolarWorld wrote:
    There really seems to be a huge disconnect from reality with these republican leaders. I say let them dig their own graves.

    the republicans don't want it to work so they can tell Americans we told you so .In order to get control back of the house,senate and possibly the oval office in 2012
  • CHANGEinWAVESCHANGEinWAVES Posts: 10,169
    gvn2fly74 wrote:
    SolarWorld wrote:
    There really seems to be a huge disconnect from reality with these republican leaders. I say let them dig their own graves.

    the republicans don't want it to work so they can tell Americans we told you so .In order to get control back of the house,senate and possibly the oval office in 2012
    meanwhile screwing us like usual.
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  • yokeyoke Posts: 1,440
    gvn2fly74 wrote:
    SolarWorld wrote:
    There really seems to be a huge disconnect from reality with these republican leaders. I say let them dig their own graves.

    the republicans don't want it to work so they can tell Americans we told you so .In order to get control back of the house,senate and possibly the oval office in 2012


    Dems want them to back them so they can say well they voted for it also..
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  • WaveCameCrashinWaveCameCrashin Posts: 2,929
    CHANGEinWAVES wrote:
    gvn2fly74 wrote:
    SolarWorld wrote:
    There really seems to be a huge disconnect from reality with these republican leaders. I say let them dig their own graves.

    the republicans don't want it to work so they can tell Americans we told you so .In order to get control back of the house,senate and possibly the oval office in 2012
    meanwhile screwing us like usual.

    the Dem's also just look what Nancy pelosi did to the stimulus package once she got her hands on it
  • CommyCommy Posts: 4,984
    where were the conservative for the 8 years of Bush? yeah they're standing up now, but what the fuck were they doing for the last 8 years?
  • know1know1 Posts: 6,794
    Commy wrote:
    where were the conservative for the 8 years of Bush? yeah they're standing up now, but what the fuck were they doing for the last 8 years?

    That's the real question, right there.
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  • AnonAnon Posts: 11,175
    Yeah, blame the Republicans. The fact is both parties are to blame, deal with it.
  • KDH12KDH12 Posts: 2,096
    in the end if things do turn around in the next 4 years, even slightly, there will be a lot of Republicans that lose their jobs..... or on the flip side, a lot of Dems might be unemployed
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  • Dirtie_FrankDirtie_Frank Posts: 1,348
    Maybe they are not voting for it because there is a lot of spending that should not be in there. Let's see when the Dems took the house and senate 2 years ago did they stand up to bush to try to get more control. Both parties suck.
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  • Ledbetterman1OLedbetterman1O Posts: 59
    These Republicans are killing their party. I think moderate conservatives and had about enough of them and their egos. Their party will be in complete shambles by the end of Obama's eight years.
  • evenflowevenflow Posts: 401
    So let me get this straight. The Republicans are refusing to go with what the Democrats are trying to push down everybody's throat because we've got a democratic president? If you believe this then you have completely fallen for the Democrats plan. Let's use our brains for a second and really think about this. Maybe the Republicans are not backing the stimulus package because they know that it's going to fail completely. Maybe they can see through all of the democratic spin and lies. And for the record, I'm not a Republican, never have been, never will. I do however see that they are standing their ground because of their belief that this stimulus package is a really bad idea.

    I live in Louisiana, so the fact that Gov. Jindal is refusing the stimulus dollars does affect me in some way. Do you really think that any politician would give up free money without a good reason (and because it's coming from democrats is not a good enough reason). The republicans refusing the money are doing so because of all of the pork and earmarks that come along with accepting the money. For a bill that Obama stood up and told the American public contained no pork or earmarks, either he didn't read the bill or he straight up lied to every one's face. Do some research, the 1000+ pages of the stimulus bill are posted online. Every provision in the bill contains some sort of handout or pork. The fact that Obama claimed that there was none just proves to me that he is no better than Bush. Yeah, I said it, Obama is just like Bush just with better speaking abilities. In the end he is nothing more than just another of the same 'ol politician.
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  • WaveCameCrashinWaveCameCrashin Posts: 2,929
    thats it....
  • Dirtie_FrankDirtie_Frank Posts: 1,348
    Ledbetterman1O wrote:
    These Republicans are killing their party. I think moderate conservatives and had about enough of them and their egos. Their party will be in complete shambles by the end of Obama's eight years.

    Let's not jump to anything here he has to win in 2012 first.
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  • Pats54Pats54 Posts: 276
    The other reason they are against it is because after two years the Federal Funds go away. Then the states must figure out how to pay for the programs that were expanded under the the so called stimulus plan. Which means they will have to raise taxes, which has worked so well in states like CA.
  • WaveCameCrashinWaveCameCrashin Posts: 2,929
    blackredyellow wrote:
    http://www.nbc.com/Saturday_Night_Live/video/clips/republican-meeting-open/1018742/

    that was about fcking stupid it wasn't even funny .obviously their running out of material :roll:
  • KDH12KDH12 Posts: 2,096
    Pats54 wrote:
    The other reason they are against it is because after two years the Federal Funds go away. Then the states must figure out how to pay for the programs that were expanded under the the so called stimulus plan. Which means they will have to raise taxes, which has worked so well in states like CA.


    I might be crazy to think this but isn't it possible that after the federal money runs out in 3 years states can create their own legislation that will decrease those programs that were created or expanded......

    isn't that why states have executive and legislative branches of governments?

    I think the hope is that in 3 years things well be better then they are now thus we will not need some of those programs or expansion and a reduction would be necessary.... (ie less people will need medicaid, unemployment....etc.....)

    nothing in politics is permanent
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  • Solat13Solat13 Posts: 6,996
    KDH12 wrote:
    Pats54 wrote:
    The other reason they are against it is because after two years the Federal Funds go away. Then the states must figure out how to pay for the programs that were expanded under the the so called stimulus plan. Which means they will have to raise taxes, which has worked so well in states like CA.


    I might be crazy to think this but isn't it possible that after the federal money runs out in 3 years states can create their own legislation that will decrease those programs that were created or expanded......

    isn't that why states have executive and legislative branches of governments?

    I think the hope is that in 3 years things well be better then they are now thus we will not need some of those programs or expansion and a reduction would be necessary.... (ie less people will need medicaid, unemployment....etc.....)

    nothing in politics is permanent

    Except entitlement programs.

    Try to take away social security, welfare, etc. and see what happens. ;)
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  • KDH12KDH12 Posts: 2,096
    Solat13 wrote:
    KDH12 wrote:
    Pats54 wrote:
    The other reason they are against it is because after two years the Federal Funds go away. Then the states must figure out how to pay for the programs that were expanded under the the so called stimulus plan. Which means they will have to raise taxes, which has worked so well in states like CA.


    I might be crazy to think this but isn't it possible that after the federal money runs out in 3 years states can create their own legislation that will decrease those programs that were created or expanded......

    isn't that why states have executive and legislative branches of governments?

    I think the hope is that in 3 years things well be better then they are now thus we will not need some of those programs or expansion and a reduction would be necessary.... (ie less people will need medicaid, unemployment....etc.....)

    nothing in politics is permanent

    Except entitlement programs.

    Try to take away social security, welfare, etc. and see what happens. ;)

    Reducing is not taking away.....

    For instance Bush expanded unemployment after 911, granted it was only for 6 months, I think there is no debate that the financial situation is much worse now then it was then...

    in addition most of those programs are means tested thus if things get better then people will no longer qualify, it will not have to be taken away.
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  • inmytreeinmytree Posts: 4,741
    evenflow wrote:
    So let me get this straight. The Republicans are refusing to go with what the Democrats are trying to push down everybody's throat because we've got a democratic president? If you believe this then you have completely fallen for the Democrats plan. Let's use our brains for a second and really think about this. Maybe the Republicans are not backing the stimulus package because they know that it's going to fail completely. Maybe they can see through all of the democratic spin and lies. And for the record, I'm not a Republican, never have been, never will. I do however see that they are standing their ground because of their belief that this stimulus package is a really bad idea.

    I live in Louisiana, so the fact that Gov. Jindal is refusing the stimulus dollars does affect me in some way. Do you really think that any politician would give up free money without a good reason (and because it's coming from democrats is not a good enough reason). The republicans refusing the money are doing so because of all of the pork and earmarks that come along with accepting the money. For a bill that Obama stood up and told the American public contained no pork or earmarks, either he didn't read the bill or he straight up lied to every one's face. Do some research, the 1000+ pages of the stimulus bill are posted online. Every provision in the bill contains some sort of handout or pork. The fact that Obama claimed that there was none just proves to me that he is no better than Bush. Yeah, I said it, Obama is just like Bush just with better speaking abilities. In the end he is nothing more than just another of the same 'ol politician.

    what's the republican plan, again...?

    Mr. Rogers Jindal did a poor job of explaining to the boys and girls...

    I love the whole anti-pork and anti-earmark thing...I'd love to see some real examples of "pork" vs. simply tossing out the word...

    I just got an email from my representive touting the earmarks and pork that's going to local schools...that dick lost my vote for supporting such "pork"...
  • Dirtie_FrankDirtie_Frank Posts: 1,348
    inmytree wrote:
    evenflow wrote:
    So let me get this straight. The Republicans are refusing to go with what the Democrats are trying to push down everybody's throat because we've got a democratic president? If you believe this then you have completely fallen for the Democrats plan. Let's use our brains for a second and really think about this. Maybe the Republicans are not backing the stimulus package because they know that it's going to fail completely. Maybe they can see through all of the democratic spin and lies. And for the record, I'm not a Republican, never have been, never will. I do however see that they are standing their ground because of their belief that this stimulus package is a really bad idea.

    I live in Louisiana, so the fact that Gov. Jindal is refusing the stimulus dollars does affect me in some way. Do you really think that any politician would give up free money without a good reason (and because it's coming from democrats is not a good enough reason). The republicans refusing the money are doing so because of all of the pork and earmarks that come along with accepting the money. For a bill that Obama stood up and told the American public contained no pork or earmarks, either he didn't read the bill or he straight up lied to every one's face. Do some research, the 1000+ pages of the stimulus bill are posted online. Every provision in the bill contains some sort of handout or pork. The fact that Obama claimed that there was none just proves to me that he is no better than Bush. Yeah, I said it, Obama is just like Bush just with better speaking abilities. In the end he is nothing more than just another of the same 'ol politician.

    what's the republican plan, again...?

    Mr. Rogers Jindal did a poor job of explaining to the boys and girls...

    I love the whole anti-pork and anti-earmark thing...I'd love to see some real examples of "pork" vs. simply tossing out the word...

    I just got an email from my representive touting the earmarks and pork that's going to local schools...that dick lost my vote for supporting such "pork"...

    You want pork here you go.

    Top Ten Porkiest Projects in the Omnibus Spending bill

    10. $1.7 million "for a honey bee factory" in Weslaco, TX

    9. $475,000 to build a parking garage in Provo City, Utah

    8. $200,000 for a tattoo removal violence outreach program that could help gang members or others shed visible signs of their past

    7. $300,000 for the Montana World Trade Center

    6. $1 million for mormon cricket control in Utah

    5. $650,000 for beaver management in North Carolina and Mississippi

    4. $2.1 million for the Center for Grape Genetics in New York

    3. $332,000 for the design and construction of a school sidewalk in Franklin, Texas

    2. $2 million “for the promotion of astronomy” in Hawaii

    1. $1.7 million for pig odor research in Iowa
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  • KDH12KDH12 Posts: 2,096
    do you realize that 5 of those are less then 1 mil and 4 are under 500,000 that is the best you got :lol:

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  • Dirtie_FrankDirtie_Frank Posts: 1,348
    I do not know about you but I still think 500 thousand is a lot of money. This bill was to stimulate the econpomy. SO since it is 2.1 million going to grape genetics in new york I should not care. 2.1 million is not that much :roll: . Why are these things even in the bill. I am not nlaming the chocalate Jesus as Bill Mahrer refered to him. I am laming Nancy Pelosi and Harry reid who cocated this bullshit bill.
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  • inmytreeinmytree Posts: 4,741
    Dirtie_Frank wrote:
    You want pork here you go.

    Top Ten Porkiest Projects in the Omnibus Spending bill

    10. $1.7 million "for a honey bee factory" in Weslaco, TX

    9. $475,000 to build a parking garage in Provo City, Utah

    8. $200,000 for a tattoo removal violence outreach program that could help gang members or others shed visible signs of their past

    7. $300,000 for the Montana World Trade Center

    6. $1 million for mormon cricket control in Utah

    5. $650,000 for beaver management in North Carolina and Mississippi

    4. $2.1 million for the Center for Grape Genetics in New York

    3. $332,000 for the design and construction of a school sidewalk in Franklin, Texas

    2. $2 million “for the promotion of astronomy” in Hawaii

    1. $1.7 million for pig odor research in Iowa

    A) I still haven't seen a republican plan...

    B) every one of those "pork" programs create jobs...I suppose you see that as a bad thing...

    in regards to the pig odor research, obviously you don't live in a pork producing state nor have you been within 20 miles of one of those farms...whine and moan all you want...but those things stink, which is bad for the local economy, because people won't move to the area, which means lost jobs and revenue...

    as for the others you mentioned...I wonder who's going to be paid to do the work on those projects...little non-paid work gnomes...?

    still waiting on a Party of No plan...
  • BinFrogBinFrog MA Posts: 7,309
    evenflow wrote:
    I do however see that they are standing their ground because of their belief that this stimulus package is a really bad idea.


    And their brilliant counter proposal is...?
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  • PhoolPhool Milwaukee, WI Posts: 84
    BinFrog wrote:
    evenflow wrote:
    I do however see that they are standing their ground because of their belief that this stimulus package is a really bad idea.


    And their brilliant counter proposal is...?

    http://www.ryanforcongress.com/site/Vie ... &rpid=3846

    and to see a real thought out plan:

    http://americanroadmap.org/
  • BinFrogBinFrog MA Posts: 7,309
    edited March 2009
    Phool wrote:
    BinFrog wrote:
    evenflow wrote:
    I do however see that they are standing their ground because of their belief that this stimulus package is a really bad idea.


    And their brilliant counter proposal is...?

    http://www.ryanforcongress.com/site/Vie ... &rpid=3846

    and to see a real thought out plan:

    http://americanroadmap.org/


    That's all you can come up with? A plan by Paul Ryan, a staunch Bush supporter and thus a supporter of failed ecomonic ideals that got us into this mess?
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  • PhoolPhool Milwaukee, WI Posts: 84
    BinFrog wrote:


    That's all you can come up with? A plan by Paul Ryan, a staunch Bush supporter and thus a supporer of failed ecomonic ideals that got us into this mess?

    You asked for a counter proposal, he is a Republican and a future Pres canidate?????

    In addition, I think you should rethink WHO and WHAT got us into this mess. I am pretty sure Bush did not push for banks to buy and sell bad loans. Do you really think what Obama is doing is going to help this recession? Raising taxes on people who are already pinching pennies while supporting the lazy and underachieving......whatever, think what you want...I really do not feel like arguing...2 more years of wasteful spending from this corrupt demo run congress....why did I even look at this thread
  • evenflowevenflow Posts: 401
    inmytree wrote:
    B) every one of those "pork" programs create jobs...I suppose you see that as a bad thing...

    Dig into these a little closer and you'll discover that most of these programs are not going to create jobs, they are simply going to put more money into the pockets of the higher ups supposedly in charge of getting these things done. If you think that this money is going to filter down into the hands of the common working man, well congratulations, I hope you've enjoyed the giant cup of kool-aid you've just swallowed.

    $2 million “for the promotion of astronomy” in Hawaii - If you don't believe that this screams "pork" then you really don't understand politics at all. I will see their $2 million and double it if a single dollar of this goes to the creation of a new job that a common working person receives.
    KDH12 wrote:
    do you realize that 5 of those are less then 1 mil and 4 are under 500,000 that is the best you got :lol:

    pick your battles

    So it only counts as pork or earmarks if it's over $500k? Sounds like you took that comeback straight out of the Bush play book. I guess if Obama gets his way this stimulus plan is considered a small battle not worth fighting. I mean why question anything he does? If we do it might piss him off and he'll go home and take his hope and change with him, so we won't be able to enjoy it anymore. :lol:
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