I posted this as response to another topic, but it somewhat fits this one in regards to all the merchandising PJ has been doing.
I often wonder why a band that supposedly sticks up and respects it's fans so much sells so many trinkets- I mean it's special edition this and that, books, posters, tshirts,bootlegs, hats, SOCKS!, Zippos!, stickers, you name it, they stick a PJ logo on it and sell it to us as "a limited edition" as in, since you are a member of the 10c, you are fortunate enough to buy this item, of that normal fans would buy this book for $40, but a real fan would pay $200 for it for the 'special edition'- It all seems to have gone overboard- especially with the socks, bags and limited edition zippos. It's like they are whoring themselves out to the point where we will be seeing PJ can koozies and coffee mugs
I get that it's all up to us to buy the stuff, and we don't have to- but it just seems like a band that preaches about the 'Green Disease' wouldn't need so much of it's fans' green. If they were truly men of their words, they wouldn't need to sell people socks, bags and zippos. It's almost gotten to the point where it's not so much about the music as it is about Pearl Jam becoming their own corporation selling items with their logo on it.
Oh I forgot they are now selling Pearl Jam baby clothes and skate board decks. It's like they preach that the key to life isn't money, so when we are forking it over to them we don't feel bad
Without getting to in to this....My answer is simple. We have asked for all of this stuff. How many times have you seen people say I wish we could get this or that? They have always resisted to a point when it came to that stuff. Maybe as they have gotten older/wiser, the figured why fight it? Give them what they want.....We can make a little $$ and the fans can have what they want no matter how silly we may have thought/think it is, if this is what they want fine! I mean yeah, they have always have this persona to most people, but I am actually glad that tehy are doing it now. I dont care if they make $$, and I dont care what they put up for sale. If it appeals to me, I will buy it...If it doesnt I wont...And you are talking to a man that usually buys ANYTHING and EVERYTHING Pearl Jam related....I am not too jazzed about some of the new clothes or the new hoodie, because of the stickman on the back, abit too much for me, but I like the boot box...the socks...some of the shirts...zippos and such. Keep in mind that it costs them $$ to have these things made as well, so if we dont buy it, they are out that dough.....Anyhow...there is my 2 cents...Doesnt mean shit I know, but that is how I see it!
My friend was going to see Eddie last night. Since he was in Vegas, I gave him 5 Grand to gamble with. I told him I wanted it all to go on Black. Bastard! PhillyCrownOfThorns-11-2-12
The "sold out" arguement has been around forever and will no doubt keep going forever. Every "big" band faces it. But I think you have to keep it focused on the music. They are not creating music that is pandering to trends or hiring Timbaland to hook them up with "the kids." They are still making quality music that is true to their vision. Everything else is really just decoration on the side. So they got socks and baby clothes, big deal. It's way down on the list of things I would judge this band by.
Look, everyone would love to think PJ hates money and they are just regular joe's like us. But facts are facts. They are rock stars and like it or not, are in this business for money. Just like we all go to work not because we love what we do, but because we have families to support and lifestyles to maintain. Sad as it is, money is everything this day and age. They are not going to sacrifice their time with their families and work very hard writing and recording music to just give it away. And to all the extra merch that they sell: It's called marketing. Similar to sports teams who put their logo's on everything and anything. Football teams who put their logo's on towels, beachballs, tablecloths, shower curtains, rugs etc. Most of it has nothing to do with football, but people buy it anyway. Bottom line, if people buy it they will make it. A lot of people work really hard to keep the Pearl Jam machine in motion. They can't do that with an album every 3-4 years and tours every couple years. I say to each his own. When you boil it down, it's all about the music in the end. Don't let the material stuff bother you.
Is there 2000 total, or 2000 per size? If it is size, that will have an impact on how quickly these are sold.
2000 total,...
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This is just a thought, so please hear me out. If the band is, as rumoured, releasing their new album without a label - perhaps they actually need the funding that all this merchandise provides for that? And if they don't need the funding, well, maybe they're suffering from Green Disease as well.
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I posted this as response to another topic, but it somewhat fits this one in regards to all the merchandising PJ has been doing.
I often wonder why a band that supposedly sticks up and respects it's fans so much sells so many trinkets- I mean it's special edition this and that, books, posters, tshirts,bootlegs, hats, SOCKS!, Zippos!, stickers, you name it, they stick a PJ logo on it and sell it to us as "a limited edition" as in, since you are a member of the 10c, you are fortunate enough to buy this item, of that normal fans would buy this book for $40, but a real fan would pay $200 for it for the 'special edition'- It all seems to have gone overboard- especially with the socks, bags and limited edition zippos. It's like they are whoring themselves out to the point where we will be seeing PJ can koozies and coffee mugs
I get that it's all up to us to buy the stuff, and we don't have to- but it just seems like a band that preaches about the 'Green Disease' wouldn't need so much of it's fans' green. If they were truly men of their words, they wouldn't need to sell people socks, bags and zippos. It's almost gotten to the point where it's not so much about the music as it is about Pearl Jam becoming their own corporation selling items with their logo on it.
Oh I forgot they are now selling Pearl Jam baby clothes and skate board decks. It's like they preach that the key to life isn't money, so when we are forking it over to them we don't feel bad
Without getting to in to this....My answer is simple. We have asked for all of this stuff. How many times have you seen people say I wish we could get this or that? They have always resisted to a point when it came to that stuff. Maybe as they have gotten older/wiser, the figured why fight it? Give them what they want.....We can make a little $$ and the fans can have what they want no matter how silly we may have thought/think it is, if this is what they want fine! I mean yeah, they have always have this persona to most people, but I am actually glad that tehy are doing it now. I dont care if they make $$, and I dont care what they put up for sale. If it appeals to me, I will buy it...If it doesnt I wont...And you are talking to a man that usually buys ANYTHING and EVERYTHING Pearl Jam related....I am not too jazzed about some of the new clothes or the new hoodie, because of the stickman on the back, abit too much for me, but I like the boot box...the socks...some of the shirts...zippos and such. Keep in mind that it costs them $$ to have these things made as well, so if we dont buy it, they are out that dough.....Anyhow...there is my 2 cents...Doesnt mean shit I know, but that is how I see it!
Look, everyone would love to think PJ hates money and they are just regular joe's like us. But facts are facts. They are rock stars and like it or not, are in this business for money. Just like we all go to work not because we love what we do, but because we have families to support and lifestyles to maintain. Sad as it is, money is everything this day and age. They are not going to sacrifice their time with their families and work very hard writing and recording music to just give it away. And to all the extra merch that they sell: It's called marketing. Similar to sports teams who put their logo's on everything and anything. Football teams who put their logo's on towels, beachballs, tablecloths, shower curtains, rugs etc. Most of it has nothing to do with football, but people buy it anyway. Bottom line, if people buy it they will make it. A lot of people work really hard to keep the Pearl Jam machine in motion. They can't do that with an album every 3-4 years and tours every couple years. I say to each his own. When you boil it down, it's all about the music in the end. Don't let the material stuff bother you.
But football teams didn't preach anti-greed during their path to success- they actually flaunt the opposite of that.
And people will buy meth if I make that, but it doesn't make it right to make it. I mean I'm sorta playing devils advocate here, but I still sorta agree with my side but I can see everyone else's. I don't know what I think, I just see people at show fighting over posters, or people on here complaining about not getting something on a sale and it's not right- you shouldn't get upset with yourself or someone else over a material item that really doesn't mean anything in the long run- I almost see it as the band is feeding into our dark sides of consumerism but telling us how wrong it is. Like a drug dealer that keeps telling you that you shouldn't do drugs as he is handing over a bag of heroin
I'm not high by the way- just consider this deep thoughts by Dan
Look, everyone would love to think PJ hates money and they are just regular joe's like us. But facts are facts. They are rock stars and like it or not, are in this business for money. Just like we all go to work not because we love what we do, but because we have families to support and lifestyles to maintain. Sad as it is, money is everything this day and age. They are not going to sacrifice their time with their families and work very hard writing and recording music to just give it away. And to all the extra merch that they sell: It's called marketing. Similar to sports teams who put their logo's on everything and anything. Football teams who put their logo's on towels, beachballs, tablecloths, shower curtains, rugs etc. Most of it has nothing to do with football, but people buy it anyway. Bottom line, if people buy it they will make it. A lot of people work really hard to keep the Pearl Jam machine in motion. They can't do that with an album every 3-4 years and tours every couple years. I say to each his own. When you boil it down, it's all about the music in the end. Don't let the material stuff bother you.
But football teams didn't preach anti-greed during their path to success- they actually flaunt the opposite of that.
And people will buy meth if I make that, but it doesn't make it right to make it. I mean I'm sorta playing devils advocate here, but I still sorta agree with my side but I can see everyone else's. I don't know what I think, I just see people at show fighting over posters, or people on here complaining about not getting something on a sale and it's not right- you shouldn't get upset with yourself or someone else over a material item that really doesn't mean anything in the long run- I almost see it as the band is feeding into our dark sides of consumerism but telling us how wrong it is. Like a drug dealer that keeps telling you that you shouldn't do drugs as he is handing over a bag of heroin
I'm not high by the way- just consider this deep thoughts by Dan
Not for nothing I keep hearing the argument that people fight over posters.....hmmmm wonder why? Oh...because PJ only makes a certain amount per show. If they were really greedy they would make plenty for every concert and milk every concert goer....they know how hot they are....but they don't. Maybe you are a new fan of Pearl jam but I have purchased some of my PJ shirts at Caldors, K-mart, JC penny over the years. I picked up my VS. shirt at Caldor the white one and the black variation back in 93....don't know why you seemed shocked its not the very first time a PJ shirt is sold in a chain store.....Back in 93 on there "PATH TO SUCCESS" there shirts were being sold at those 3 stores and maybe more that I just don't know of.
I hate the 'Specials' thing. It's a classic marketing ploy to get people to buy something. If you tell someone they are buying a regular item- it may or may not sell, but if you are selling a 'Limited Edition Fan Club Only' item, the thing will sell so fast you won't know what to do- a perfect example would be the $200 Ames Book...let's be honest, a couple signatures and extra pages doesn't make the value of that thing go up $150
But I'll use posters for example. Hawaii 2006 U2 and Easy Street are probably the most sought after posters in the PJ community. I do not see a valid reason as to why they couldn't make more of those and make them available to anyone that wanted one in 10c. They ask you to not resell them, but you are making your own bed when you only sell 200 of them when 5000 people want them. What happens with all posters is that people buy them just for the chase and for the thrill. It is ingrained in most PJ fans to get to the show early and run to the merch stand (I've done it myself)- but it's like people are trained into buying something they don't need, or maybe don't even want. I mean, there is no reason for anyone to buy the Edmonton 2005 poster, but people did because it was limited. If that poster had enough to sell anyone that wanted it, people would never buy that thing.
I'm kind of rambling, but the vision I have in my head when writing this is: We are all starving rats in a tub and PJ throws a couple pieces of food for everyone to fight over while they watch- sometimes they throw something to fight after like a piece of Steak (Easy Street) and sometimes they throw a rotten piece of Spam (Edmonton), but either way we are fighting after it because that is the game we are trained to play. Seeing 'SPECIAL' makes an item so much more desirable
But I still buy stuff I want on here. It's not like I boycott the whole thing because I don't really have a problem with it. I still go after posters I really like just like everyone else- I just hate seeing people get all bent out of shape when they don't get something so meaningless in the long run
The day that PJ endorses a corporate product is the day I will say they officially sold out. Until then, I say they are just milking the cow.
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I think it is cool that they are selling their t-shirts at Hot Topic. Now the tweens and high school crowd will see the shirts...think they are cool and begin listening to their music...it is good exposure for the band as the majority of us fans are in the 30+ age range. (Yeah I know there are a couple of high school kids on here but not everyone is as cool as you).
hey they could be like kiss and have pearl jam condoms or pearl jam coffins. just thinking of fucking your girl with the stickman logo. god this fanbase will whine bout anything and everything. i cant wait till the day when tickets are 220 for 2 tickets, god the bitch fest and crying will be unreal. its a fucking hoodie if ya dont like it then dont buy it, its not rocket science people and that same can be said for socks or whatnot. god no wonder why i never login to this place anymore all you see is bitch bitch bitch.
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But I'll use posters for example. Hawaii 2006 U2 and Easy Street are probably the most sought after posters in the PJ community. I do not see a valid reason as to why they couldn't make more of those and make them available to anyone that wanted one in 10c. They ask you to not resell them, but you are making your own bed when you only sell 200 of them when 5000 people want them. What happens with all posters is that people buy them just for the chase and for the thrill. It is ingrained in most PJ fans to get to the show early and run to the merch stand (I've done it myself)- but it's like people are trained into buying something they don't need, or maybe don't even want. I mean, there is no reason for anyone to buy the Edmonton 2005 poster, but people did because it was limited. If that poster had enough to sell anyone that wanted it, people would never buy that thing.
maybe cause it take the artist a long time to put detail into each poster. not the hard of a concept to grasp now is it
Ron: I just don't feel like going out tonight
Sammi: Wanna just break up?
I am not going to complain about all the swag, because I agree, if you don't like/want it, don't buy it. What I am going to complain about is the timing. It seems like something new is always coming out when I just bought the "outdated" item. That is the frusterating part. I buy all the bootlegs, then a few months later the box set comes out and ends up being less expensive. I buy the stickman shirt and a few weeks later the limited edition hoodie comes out. I buy the poster book and a few months later the poster book with a new limited edition print comes out. That is the frusterating part. On the one hand I am worried about missing out, and on the other hand I am worried that my particular purchase will be outdated. Just release all the items at the same time. Don't sell concert tickets, then add more shows, release all the shows at the same time. Don't "time" your releases, release everything at the same time. Let people decide if they want the t-shirt or the hoodie or both. Don't "punish" your most rabid fans who purchased your bootlegs right when they were available by releasing them in a box set that costs less, it's just bad for business.
There are right ways to release goods and shady ways and recently it seems like the 10C is using the shady ways.
But I'll use posters for example. Hawaii 2006 U2 and Easy Street are probably the most sought after posters in the PJ community. I do not see a valid reason as to why they couldn't make more of those and make them available to anyone that wanted one in 10c. They ask you to not resell them, but you are making your own bed when you only sell 200 of them when 5000 people want them. What happens with all posters is that people buy them just for the chase and for the thrill. It is ingrained in most PJ fans to get to the show early and run to the merch stand (I've done it myself)- but it's like people are trained into buying something they don't need, or maybe don't even want. I mean, there is no reason for anyone to buy the Edmonton 2005 poster, but people did because it was limited. If that poster had enough to sell anyone that wanted it, people would never buy that thing.
maybe cause it take the artist a long time to put detail into each poster. not the hard of a concept to grasp now is it
The artist can print as many posters as they want. It's not like they design each poster one by one :roll:
But I'll use posters for example. Hawaii 2006 U2 and Easy Street are probably the most sought after posters in the PJ community. I do not see a valid reason as to why they couldn't make more of those and make them available to anyone that wanted one in 10c. They ask you to not resell them, but you are making your own bed when you only sell 200 of them when 5000 people want them. What happens with all posters is that people buy them just for the chase and for the thrill. It is ingrained in most PJ fans to get to the show early and run to the merch stand (I've done it myself)- but it's like people are trained into buying something they don't need, or maybe don't even want. I mean, there is no reason for anyone to buy the Edmonton 2005 poster, but people did because it was limited. If that poster had enough to sell anyone that wanted it, people would never buy that thing.
maybe cause it take the artist a long time to put detail into each poster. not the hard of a concept to grasp now is it
They are not done by hand. They could screen off about 5,000 Easy Street posters by 9 tonight
Look, everyone would love to think PJ hates money and they are just regular joe's like us. But facts are facts. They are rock stars and like it or not, are in this business for money. Just like we all go to work not because we love what we do, but because we have families to support and lifestyles to maintain. Sad as it is, money is everything this day and age. They are not going to sacrifice their time with their families and work very hard writing and recording music to just give it away. And to all the extra merch that they sell: It's called marketing. Similar to sports teams who put their logo's on everything and anything. Football teams who put their logo's on towels, beachballs, tablecloths, shower curtains, rugs etc. Most of it has nothing to do with football, but people buy it anyway. Bottom line, if people buy it they will make it. A lot of people work really hard to keep the Pearl Jam machine in motion. They can't do that with an album every 3-4 years and tours every couple years. I say to each his own. When you boil it down, it's all about the music in the end. Don't let the material stuff bother you.
But football teams didn't preach anti-greed during their path to success- they actually flaunt the opposite of that.
And people will buy meth if I make that, but it doesn't make it right to make it. I mean I'm sorta playing devils advocate here, but I still sorta agree with my side but I can see everyone else's. I don't know what I think, I just see people at show fighting over posters, or people on here complaining about not getting something on a sale and it's not right- you shouldn't get upset with yourself or someone else over a material item that really doesn't mean anything in the long run- I almost see it as the band is feeding into our dark sides of consumerism but telling us how wrong it is. Like a drug dealer that keeps telling you that you shouldn't do drugs as he is handing over a bag of heroin
I'm not high by the way- just consider this deep thoughts by Dan
An interesting analogy, but last I checked purchasing Pearl Jam products and 'consuming' them wouldn't land you in jail. I could be wrong, but I think meth is still illegal and will land you in jail. :P
So, I'm not so sure that analogy works in this situation...but your last part probably works (ther part about drug dealer telling you drugs are bad as he hands them over).
But I'll use posters for example. Hawaii 2006 U2 and Easy Street are probably the most sought after posters in the PJ community. I do not see a valid reason as to why they couldn't make more of those and make them available to anyone that wanted one in 10c. They ask you to not resell them, but you are making your own bed when you only sell 200 of them when 5000 people want them. What happens with all posters is that people buy them just for the chase and for the thrill. It is ingrained in most PJ fans to get to the show early and run to the merch stand (I've done it myself)- but it's like people are trained into buying something they don't need, or maybe don't even want. I mean, there is no reason for anyone to buy the Edmonton 2005 poster, but people did because it was limited. If that poster had enough to sell anyone that wanted it, people would never buy that thing.
maybe cause it take the artist a long time to put detail into each poster. not the hard of a concept to grasp now is it
They are not done by hand. They could screen off about 5,000 Easy Street posters by 9 tonight
Call D&L and see how long it will take them to screen off 5,000 multi-color posters of anything.... I'll bet you it won't be till 9 PM a few weeks or so from now.
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But I'll use posters for example. Hawaii 2006 U2 and Easy Street are probably the most sought after posters in the PJ community. I do not see a valid reason as to why they couldn't make more of those and make them available to anyone that wanted one in 10c. They ask you to not resell them, but you are making your own bed when you only sell 200 of them when 5000 people want them. What happens with all posters is that people buy them just for the chase and for the thrill. It is ingrained in most PJ fans to get to the show early and run to the merch stand (I've done it myself)- but it's like people are trained into buying something they don't need, or maybe don't even want. I mean, there is no reason for anyone to buy the Edmonton 2005 poster, but people did because it was limited. If that poster had enough to sell anyone that wanted it, people would never buy that thing.
maybe cause it take the artist a long time to put detail into each poster. not the hard of a concept to grasp now is it
The artist can print as many posters as they want. It's not like they design each poster one by one :roll:
i always thought they did, my bad. anyways its still alota work for the artist to do. oh and dont you roll your eyes at me sauce
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Without getting to in to this....My answer is simple. We have asked for all of this stuff. How many times have you seen people say I wish we could get this or that? They have always resisted to a point when it came to that stuff. Maybe as they have gotten older/wiser, the figured why fight it? Give them what they want.....We can make a little $$ and the fans can have what they want no matter how silly we may have thought/think it is, if this is what they want fine! I mean yeah, they have always have this persona to most people, but I am actually glad that tehy are doing it now. I dont care if they make $$, and I dont care what they put up for sale. If it appeals to me, I will buy it...If it doesnt I wont...And you are talking to a man that usually buys ANYTHING and EVERYTHING Pearl Jam related....I am not too jazzed about some of the new clothes or the new hoodie, because of the stickman on the back, abit too much for me, but I like the boot box...the socks...some of the shirts...zippos and such. Keep in mind that it costs them $$ to have these things made as well, so if we dont buy it, they are out that dough.....Anyhow...there is my 2 cents...Doesnt mean shit I know, but that is how I see it!
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I second that!
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Would go sweet with Hot Chocolate & Marshmallow's!
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Stickman shaped marshmallows!!!:):)
Get on that PJ!!!
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Some of you people should work in marketing or something.
2000 total,...
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Whoa! That would be rock!
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Amen!
But football teams didn't preach anti-greed during their path to success- they actually flaunt the opposite of that.
And people will buy meth if I make that, but it doesn't make it right to make it. I mean I'm sorta playing devils advocate here, but I still sorta agree with my side but I can see everyone else's. I don't know what I think, I just see people at show fighting over posters, or people on here complaining about not getting something on a sale and it's not right- you shouldn't get upset with yourself or someone else over a material item that really doesn't mean anything in the long run- I almost see it as the band is feeding into our dark sides of consumerism but telling us how wrong it is. Like a drug dealer that keeps telling you that you shouldn't do drugs as he is handing over a bag of heroin
I'm not high by the way- just consider this deep thoughts by Dan
Not for nothing I keep hearing the argument that people fight over posters.....hmmmm wonder why? Oh...because PJ only makes a certain amount per show. If they were really greedy they would make plenty for every concert and milk every concert goer....they know how hot they are....but they don't. Maybe you are a new fan of Pearl jam but I have purchased some of my PJ shirts at Caldors, K-mart, JC penny over the years. I picked up my VS. shirt at Caldor the white one and the black variation back in 93....don't know why you seemed shocked its not the very first time a PJ shirt is sold in a chain store.....Back in 93 on there "PATH TO SUCCESS" there shirts were being sold at those 3 stores and maybe more that I just don't know of.
Just my 2 cents
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5/21/10 9/7/11
I hate the 'Specials' thing. It's a classic marketing ploy to get people to buy something. If you tell someone they are buying a regular item- it may or may not sell, but if you are selling a 'Limited Edition Fan Club Only' item, the thing will sell so fast you won't know what to do- a perfect example would be the $200 Ames Book...let's be honest, a couple signatures and extra pages doesn't make the value of that thing go up $150
But I'll use posters for example. Hawaii 2006 U2 and Easy Street are probably the most sought after posters in the PJ community. I do not see a valid reason as to why they couldn't make more of those and make them available to anyone that wanted one in 10c. They ask you to not resell them, but you are making your own bed when you only sell 200 of them when 5000 people want them. What happens with all posters is that people buy them just for the chase and for the thrill. It is ingrained in most PJ fans to get to the show early and run to the merch stand (I've done it myself)- but it's like people are trained into buying something they don't need, or maybe don't even want. I mean, there is no reason for anyone to buy the Edmonton 2005 poster, but people did because it was limited. If that poster had enough to sell anyone that wanted it, people would never buy that thing.
I'm kind of rambling, but the vision I have in my head when writing this is: We are all starving rats in a tub and PJ throws a couple pieces of food for everyone to fight over while they watch- sometimes they throw something to fight after like a piece of Steak (Easy Street) and sometimes they throw a rotten piece of Spam (Edmonton), but either way we are fighting after it because that is the game we are trained to play. Seeing 'SPECIAL' makes an item so much more desirable
But I still buy stuff I want on here. It's not like I boycott the whole thing because I don't really have a problem with it. I still go after posters I really like just like everyone else- I just hate seeing people get all bent out of shape when they don't get something so meaningless in the long run
"Don't let it get you down, you know, still give your love, just give it away...I love singin' that part." - EV
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My thoughts exactly!
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There are right ways to release goods and shady ways and recently it seems like the 10C is using the shady ways.
The artist can print as many posters as they want. It's not like they design each poster one by one :roll:
They are not done by hand. They could screen off about 5,000 Easy Street posters by 9 tonight
An interesting analogy, but last I checked purchasing Pearl Jam products and 'consuming' them wouldn't land you in jail. I could be wrong, but I think meth is still illegal and will land you in jail. :P
So, I'm not so sure that analogy works in this situation...but your last part probably works (ther part about drug dealer telling you drugs are bad as he hands them over).
Call D&L and see how long it will take them to screen off 5,000 multi-color posters of anything.... I'll bet you it won't be till 9 PM a few weeks or so from now.
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5/23/2011- An utter embarrassment... ticketing failures too many to list.
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