Obama stops uss cole trials

WaveCameCrashin
WaveCameCrashin Posts: 2,929
edited February 2009 in A Moving Train
I couldn't imagine being the parent or a close friend to someone killed in that terrorist attack. and the Messiah stops the trial because he wants to make sure these scumbags weren't water borted. who gives a fuck I wish they would have had their fingernails pulled off. I swear to god if this piece of shit walks Obama will wish he never ran because it will be a p.r. nightmare for him. :shock: :shock: :x :x :x :x
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  • Commy
    Commy Posts: 4,984
    what are you fighting for? what makes you so much better than they are? if you're torturing people, what moral ground do you have to stand on?
  • WaveCameCrashin
    WaveCameCrashin Posts: 2,929
    Commy wrote:
    what are you fighting for? what makes you so much better than they are? if you're torturing people, what moral ground do you have to stand on?


    dude do you even know what im talking about? the uss cole bombing do you need a history lesson?
  • WaveCameCrashin
    WaveCameCrashin Posts: 2,929
    this such an insult to the famlies and the soldiers of the cole. Obama should be arrested for treason :x :x
  • soulsinging
    soulsinging Posts: 13,202
    gvn2fly74 wrote:
    Commy wrote:
    what are you fighting for? what makes you so much better than they are? if you're torturing people, what moral ground do you have to stand on?


    dude do you even know what im talking about? the uss cole bombing do you need a history lesson?

    I know what the Cole bombing is, but he has a point. Once you start rounding people up and torturing them before you even charge them with anything, what kind of moral imperative can you claim? The trial ought to proceed though, it's not like they should let the guy walk if he did it. But torture should be part of the trial... if all they have is his confession after being tortured, then it's possible he didn't actually do it. It's a greater insult to the memories of those that died to pawn the crime off on an easy target to save face and let the real killer go free.
  • cornnifer
    cornnifer Posts: 2,130
    gvn2fly74 wrote:
    this such an insult to the famlies and the soldiers of the cole. Obama should be arrested for treason :x :x

    you should be arrested for plagiarizing Sean Hannity.
    "When all your friends and sedatives mean well but make it worse... better find yourself a place to level out."
  • Cosmo
    Cosmo Posts: 12,225
    gvn2fly74 wrote:
    Commy wrote:
    what are you fighting for? what makes you so much better than they are? if you're torturing people, what moral ground do you have to stand on?


    dude do you even know what im talking about? the uss cole bombing do you need a history lesson?
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    So, becoming the evil monster you are fighting is a solution? Become a terrorist to fight terrorists... that's former Soviet Union Polit Bureau speak.
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  • blackredyellow
    blackredyellow Posts: 5,889
    cornnifer wrote:
    gvn2fly74 wrote:
    this such an insult to the famlies and the soldiers of the cole. Obama should be arrested for treason :x :x

    you should be arrested for plagiarizing Sean Hannity.

    I love how in Sean Hannity-land, suspending trials for a review period = freeing terrorists
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  • Red Mosquito75
    Red Mosquito75 Moline IL Posts: 1,038
    i thought he suspened them for the time being which makes no sense. He must have a plan but what who knows?????? Those who bombed the us cole should be punished? but legally
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  • WaveCameCrashin
    WaveCameCrashin Posts: 2,929
    soulsinging wrote:
    gvn2fly74 wrote:
    Commy wrote:
    what are you fighting for? what makes you so much better than they are? if you're torturing people, what moral ground do you have to stand on?


    dude do you even know what im talking about? the uss cole bombing do you need a history lesson?

    I know what the Cole bombing is, but he has a point. Once you start rounding people up and torturing them before you even charge them with anything, what kind of moral imperative can you claim? The trial ought to proceed though, it's not like they should let the guy walk if he did it. But torture should be part of the trial... if all they have is his confession after being tortured, then it's possible he didn't actually do it. It's a greater insult to the memories of those that died to pawn the crime off on an easy target to save face and let the real killer go free.

    I agree with you I don't think we should torture anybody but I cant for the life of me understand why Obama would suspend these trials. and then invite the families to tell them why he did it after the fact.
  • WaveCameCrashin
    WaveCameCrashin Posts: 2,929
    cornnifer wrote:
    gvn2fly74 wrote:
    this such an insult to the famlies and the soldiers of the cole. Obama should be arrested for treason :x :x

    you should be arrested for plagiarizing Sean Hannity.


    :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:
  • inmytree
    inmytree Posts: 4,741
    gvn2fly74 wrote:

    I agree with you I don't think we should torture anybody but I cant for the life of me understand why Obama would suspend these trials. and then invite the families to tell them why he did it after the fact.

    perhaps the evidence is thin, outside of a confession given after torture...perhaps the prosecution needs more time to prove it's case....perhaps the messiah wants to do this right way...
  • VINNY GOOMBA
    VINNY GOOMBA Posts: 1,826
    soulsinging wrote:
    gvn2fly74 wrote:
    Commy wrote:
    what are you fighting for? what makes you so much better than they are? if you're torturing people, what moral ground do you have to stand on?


    dude do you even know what im talking about? the uss cole bombing do you need a history lesson?

    I know what the Cole bombing is, but he has a point. Once you start rounding people up and torturing them before you even charge them with anything, what kind of moral imperative can you claim? The trial ought to proceed though, it's not like they should let the guy walk if he did it. But torture should be part of the trial... if all they have is his confession after being tortured, then it's possible he didn't actually do it. It's a greater insult to the memories of those that died to pawn the crime off on an easy target to save face and let the real killer go free.

    Agreed 100%. What good is torture for getting a confession? Give me 10 minutes alone with anyone strapped to a table, and I'll bet I can get them to admit in a screaming fit that their name is actually, "Miss Piggy."

    It's very hard to not let emotion get in the way when you're dealing with something as awful as terrorism, but the only way to bring real justice to these people is within the rules of law, due process, and free of torture, which only distorts the truth.
  • soulsinging
    soulsinging Posts: 13,202
    gvn2fly74 wrote:
    I agree with you I don't think we should torture anybody but I cant for the life of me understand why Obama would suspend these trials. and then invite the families to tell them why he did it after the fact.

    I don't know the details on this guy... is there any proof other than him confessing? Is he denying that he did it now? Maybe they just want to get his take on captivity before they go over, make sure the trial goes smoothly. Trials get delayed and suspended all the time. Now if they let the guy walk and he clearly did it, I'll share your outrage. But I don't see much issue with just holding things up to make sure the whole thing is done right. I think the victims would agree with that. It's the kind of justice they died protecting.
  • WaveCameCrashin
    WaveCameCrashin Posts: 2,929
    soulsinging wrote:
    gvn2fly74 wrote:
    I agree with you I don't think we should torture anybody but I cant for the life of me understand why Obama would suspend these trials. and then invite the families to tell them why he did it after the fact.

    I don't know the details on this guy... is there any proof other than him confessing? Is he denying that he did it now? Maybe they just want to get his take on captivity before they go over, make sure the trial goes smoothly. Trials get delayed and suspended all the time. Now if they let the guy walk and he clearly did it, I'll share your outrage. But I don't see much issue with just holding things up to make sure the whole thing is done right. I think the victims would agree with that. It's the kind of justice they died protecting.


    From what I have heard on the news is that he confessed. Its very hard for me to give Obama the benefit of the doubt but Im trying very hard. the only reasonable explanation I can think of is he dosent want this guy to get off on a technicality
  • soulsinging
    soulsinging Posts: 13,202
    gvn2fly74 wrote:
    From what I have heard on the news is that he confessed. Its very hard for me to give Obama the benefit of the doubt but Im trying very hard. the only reasonable explanation I can think of is he dosent want this guy to get off on a technicality

    Then I would say that's wise. Also, if he confessed under torture and has since recanted, it's possible he didn't do it. I imagine that's what they're looking into. The people that died deserve real justice, not a scapegoat.
  • ajedigecko
    ajedigecko \m/deplorable af \m/ Posts: 2,431
    i can respect the fact the terrorist attacked a military installation, finally. all of the bus stops and coffee shops were becoming cliche.
    live and let live...unless it violates the pearligious doctrine.
  • WaveCameCrashin
    WaveCameCrashin Posts: 2,929
    ajedigecko wrote:
    i can respect the fact the terrorist attacked a military installation, finally. all of the bus stops and coffee shops were becoming cliche.

    it was a ship.. and why would you you say somthing like that :?
  • Commy
    Commy Posts: 4,984
    its a simple understanding that torture does not produce accurate information. if someone was pulling your fingernails out you'd admit to 9/11...I would. any of this info they have been gathering through torture might as well be thrown out. review the cases, go from there. no one is releasing these individuals.
  • WaveCameCrashin
    WaveCameCrashin Posts: 2,929
    Commy wrote:
    its a simple understanding that torture does not produce accurate information. if someone was pulling your fingernails out you'd admit to 9/11...I would. any of this info they have been gathering through torture might as well be thrown out. review the cases, go from there. no one is releasing these individuals.


    yeah you are right commy,but IMO I don't think getting your head dunked or loud music, sleep deprivation constitutes as torture. :x
  • inmytree
    inmytree Posts: 4,741
    gvn2fly74 wrote:

    yeah you are right commy,but IMO I don't think getting your head dunked or loud music, sleep deprivation constitutes as torture. :x

    perhaps you could give us an example of what would constitute torture...

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