If you don't mind, I'd like to make a couple suggestions about the actual tournament:
1) It's probably best to NOT allow the participants to vote on match-ups. I know it's just a silly game, but allowing us to vote opens the door for people voting for the worst setlist in order to have less competition, or voting against someone as retalation for being voted against by that person, etc.
2) That said, I would recommend setting the match-ups and making a separate thread for each one. I'm pretty confident that we could get a decent amount of non-participants to vote as long as it's easy. The easiest way is just to make a separate thread for each match-up; that way, all the voter has to do is open the thread and decide on that single match-up, rather than having to consider 8 different match-ups all at once.
3) Set the match-ups in some way that is random. Obviously, there's no seeding here, so randomly is the only way that is fair.
That's it.
Everything has chains...Absolutely nothing's changed. - PJ
“The only way to deal with an unfree world is to become so absolutely free that your very existence is an act of rebellion.” - Albert Camus
I agree about random draw for who's matched up against who, but I'd vote no for us not being able to vote (meaning I wanna vote). I don't think ppl will vote against someone becuase they didn't vote for them, especially if you had the votes hidden.
One thing I was always unsure of is how is the question going to be posed? For me there's a huge difference between "pick your favorite song" and "what's the best live song?"
Yeah I was going to just put all the teams into random.org and then hit random and then go 1 vs 16 2 vs 15 3 vs 14 etc etc.
As for voting, I'm not sure that only having non participants vote will work, there may not be enough interest. I was going to set the voting up for 2 or 4 match ups at a time so its not too overwhelming. personally, I want to vote, half the fun is voting on the best teams, I would hope in the interest of fairness people would vote on the best teams, or teams with the songs they like the most, but you are right there is a lot of strategic voting.
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It's a catch 22...YES!!! I always wanted to say that!!
Well, I agree that it is fun to vote but we all want to win and some of us may not vote on the better setlist because of it. I say EW should decide, he is the creator of the game....I'm cool either way.
"If you want a friend, feed any animal." - JA
"Don't let it get you down, you know, still give your love, just give it away...I love singin' that part." - EV
What does everyone else think? You are the people who are making this what it is, so lets hear from you.
I really want to vote though and I think everyone else does too. There is just no way to enforce "honest" voting so you have to hope that people will vote for the best team and not who they don't want to face.
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the pressure is on you EW!..j/k
but i do think there will be interest because everyone loves their songs aaannd..if u have time to kill lookin around this board this topic is always active..just sayin
Oh I just realized the voting was my list vs say your list. For some reason I thought it was just 2 songs at a time. I know this would take forever, but thougth that's how it was. I better start picking good songs :?
Edit: for some reason I thought we were going to do a poll. I guess we don't have polls here?
Just give a brief statement about your vote and/or do track match ups...I think that should do justice.
for example:
Team/Player A vs Team/Player B
Draft track #1 > Draft track #1 Team A's track is my favorite opener
Draft track #2 < Draft track #2 Not a fan of Team A's second pick, heard it too many times. Bores me to death
Draft track #3 = Draft track #3 These two equals out. I love 'em both
...and so forth.
EW said there will only 2 or 4 match ups at a time so it won't be to much of a hassle.
A thread should be started to gauge interest in voting by non-participants maybe?
I knew you would come up with a great idea!! Start a thread and see if there is any interest from other board members who are not playing to see if they would like to vote
"If you want a friend, feed any animal." - JA
"Don't let it get you down, you know, still give your love, just give it away...I love singin' that part." - EV
I don't think we should put song against song though...that would take to long. Your group of songs vs someone else's.
"If you want a friend, feed any animal." - JA
"Don't let it get you down, you know, still give your love, just give it away...I love singin' that part." - EV
BTW, it was good that the thread had more discussion than just the picks and game rules itself.
Good to see people discussing about live shows in relation to the draft songs.
Yes, EW got my point on the votes. Just some details why you think that group of songs should win over the other. Using a song match up in your voting process is just an example.
A thread should be started to gauge interest in voting by non-participants maybe?
I knew you would come up with a great idea!! Start a thread and see if there is any interest from other board members who are not playing to see if they would like to vote
I think we should start that thread. I always enjoyed voting on stuff like this on the old board. I'm pretty sure people will be interested.
I have no patience for bad music and stupid people...
The whole world will be different soon the whole world will be RELIEVED
Down the street you can hear her scream youre a disgrace
As she slams the door in his drunken face
And now he stands outside
And all the neighbours start to gossip and drool
He cries oh, girl you must be mad,
What happened to the sweet love you and me had?
Against the door he leans and starts a scene,
And his tears fall and burn the garden green
Oh I just realized the voting was my list vs say your list. For some reason I thought it was just 2 songs at a time. I know this would take forever, but thougth that's how it was. I better start picking good songs :?
Edit: for some reason I thought we were going to do a poll. I guess we don't have polls here?
hey lukin is your profile pic from bonnaroo..it eerily resembles one i took pre-pj
my buddy in the background is experiencing something that im sure is unexplainable
Oh I just realized the voting was my list vs say your list. For some reason I thought it was just 2 songs at a time. I know this would take forever, but thougth that's how it was. I better start picking good songs :?
Edit: for some reason I thought we were going to do a poll. I guess we don't have polls here?
hey lukin is your profile pic from bonnaroo..it eerily resembles one i took pre-pj
my buddy in the background is experiencing something that im sure is unexplainable
Yea I believe it was taken during the Drive-by Truckers show. I spent the batter half of Friday afternoon at the Which stage. DBT-Umphrey's Mcgee-Les Claypool..what a great afternoon!
i didn't realize i jumped in front of so many ppl to make my picks...if anyone who was supposed to go before me wants one of my tracks let me know, i'd be happy to swap
5 years of Jam...
06: Pittsburgh
07: Lollapalooza
08: Bonnaroo, DC
EV (second row!!!!!!) in DC
09: Philly 2 & 3
10: Newark
As far as a possible format for this, I was thinking it would be cool to set up our 8 songs like a "mini set list" and vote on it like that. But I'm cool with all of the ideas proposed
5 years of Jam...
06: Pittsburgh
07: Lollapalooza
08: Bonnaroo, DC
EV (second row!!!!!!) in DC
09: Philly 2 & 3
10: Newark
Comments
2010 - Newark 5/18 MSG 5/21
2011 - PJ20 9/3-9/4
2012 - MIA Festival 9/2
2013 - Wrigley Field 7/19 Brooklyn 10/18-10/19 Philly 10/22
2015 - Colbert show - 9/23 Global Citizens Festival 9/26
2016 - Philly 4/28-4/29 MSG 5/1-5/2
I guess I'll go with Strangest Tribe instead.
“The only way to deal with an unfree world is to become so absolutely free that your very existence is an act of rebellion.” - Albert Camus
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EV- 08/09,10/2008.06/08,09/2009
Nice! I was going to take this next!
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So far, all my picks have come the way I wanted it. :shock:
But I missed out on some really good Lost Dogs tracks and also especially the Ten tracks.
EV- 08/09,10/2008.06/08,09/2009
06: Pittsburgh
07: Lollapalooza
08: Bonnaroo, DC
EV (second row!!!!!!) in DC
09: Philly 2 & 3
10: Newark
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1) It's probably best to NOT allow the participants to vote on match-ups. I know it's just a silly game, but allowing us to vote opens the door for people voting for the worst setlist in order to have less competition, or voting against someone as retalation for being voted against by that person, etc.
2) That said, I would recommend setting the match-ups and making a separate thread for each one. I'm pretty confident that we could get a decent amount of non-participants to vote as long as it's easy. The easiest way is just to make a separate thread for each match-up; that way, all the voter has to do is open the thread and decide on that single match-up, rather than having to consider 8 different match-ups all at once.
3) Set the match-ups in some way that is random. Obviously, there's no seeding here, so randomly is the only way that is fair.
That's it.
“The only way to deal with an unfree world is to become so absolutely free that your very existence is an act of rebellion.” - Albert Camus
One thing I was always unsure of is how is the question going to be posed? For me there's a huge difference between "pick your favorite song" and "what's the best live song?"
As for voting, I'm not sure that only having non participants vote will work, there may not be enough interest. I was going to set the voting up for 2 or 4 match ups at a time so its not too overwhelming. personally, I want to vote, half the fun is voting on the best teams, I would hope in the interest of fairness people would vote on the best teams, or teams with the songs they like the most, but you are right there is a lot of strategic voting.
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Well, I agree that it is fun to vote but we all want to win and some of us may not vote on the better setlist because of it. I say EW should decide, he is the creator of the game....I'm cool either way.
"Don't let it get you down, you know, still give your love, just give it away...I love singin' that part." - EV
I really want to vote though and I think everyone else does too. There is just no way to enforce "honest" voting so you have to hope that people will vote for the best team and not who they don't want to face.
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but i do think there will be interest because everyone loves their songs aaannd..if u have time to kill lookin around this board this topic is always active..just sayin
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Edit: for some reason I thought we were going to do a poll. I guess we don't have polls here?
for example:
Team/Player A vs Team/Player B
Draft track #1 > Draft track #1 Team A's track is my favorite opener
Draft track #2 < Draft track #2 Not a fan of Team A's second pick, heard it too many times. Bores me to death
Draft track #3 = Draft track #3 These two equals out. I love 'em both
...and so forth.
EW said there will only 2 or 4 match ups at a time so it won't be to much of a hassle.
EV- 08/09,10/2008.06/08,09/2009
I knew you would come up with a great idea!! Start a thread and see if there is any interest from other board members who are not playing to see if they would like to vote
"Don't let it get you down, you know, still give your love, just give it away...I love singin' that part." - EV
"Don't let it get you down, you know, still give your love, just give it away...I love singin' that part." - EV
LongRd. has a pretty good handle on how you should vote.
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Good to see people discussing about live shows in relation to the draft songs.
Yes, EW got my point on the votes. Just some details why you think that group of songs should win over the other. Using a song match up in your voting process is just an example.
EV- 08/09,10/2008.06/08,09/2009
The whole world will be different soon the whole world will be RELIEVED
#resistgezi #resistturkey #resisttaksim #direnturkiye #direngezi
#standingman #duranadam
As she slams the door in his drunken face
And now he stands outside
And all the neighbours start to gossip and drool
He cries oh, girl you must be mad,
What happened to the sweet love you and me had?
Against the door he leans and starts a scene,
And his tears fall and burn the garden green
hey lukin is your profile pic from bonnaroo..it eerily resembles one i took pre-pj
my buddy in the background is experiencing something that im sure is unexplainable
Yea I believe it was taken during the Drive-by Truckers show. I spent the batter half of Friday afternoon at the Which stage. DBT-Umphrey's Mcgee-Les Claypool..what a great afternoon!
Gotta love Les - as they say Les is more -
06: Pittsburgh
07: Lollapalooza
08: Bonnaroo, DC
EV (second row!!!!!!) in DC
09: Philly 2 & 3
10: Newark
The whole world will be different soon the whole world will be RELIEVED
#resistgezi #resistturkey #resisttaksim #direnturkiye #direngezi
#standingman #duranadam
06: Pittsburgh
07: Lollapalooza
08: Bonnaroo, DC
EV (second row!!!!!!) in DC
09: Philly 2 & 3
10: Newark