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josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 30,545
edited April 2013 in All Encompassing Trip
Besides AROID ..

PUDGE RODRIGES
BIG PAPPY
MANNY
PUJOLS

who else at least another 90 something other players ...we know BIG MAC and i'm def putting SOSSA on the list ...again we deserve to know who else, my list is just expeculation ...
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  • FlaggFlagg Posts: 5,856
    All I know is from 2001 - 2003 the Texas Ranges had Juan Gonzalez, Rafael Palmero, Pudge Rodriguez, A-Rod, all using steriods and we still sucked. What an embarrassing franchise. The Texas Rangers are the worst franchise in all of sports.
    DAL-7/5/98,10/17/00,6/9/03,11/15/13
    BOS-9/28/04,9/29/04,6/28/08,6/30/08, 9/5/16, 9/7/16, 9/2/18
    MTL-9/15/05, OTT-9/16/05
    PHL-5/27/06,5/28/06,10/30/09,10/31/09
    CHI-8/2/07,8/5/07,8/23/09,8/24/09
    HTFD-6/27/08
    ATX-10/4/09, 10/12/14
    KC-5/3/2010,STL-5/4/2010
    Bridge School-10/23/2010,10/24/2010
    PJ20-9/3/2011,9/4/2011
    OKC-11/16/13
    SEA-12/6/13
    TUL-10/8/14
  • Stone Is GodStone Is God Posts: 1,331
    Flagg wrote:
    All I know is from 2001 - 2003 the Texas Ranges had Juan Gonzalez, Rafael Palmero, Pudge Rodriguez, A-Rod, all using steriods and we still sucked. What an embarrassing franchise. The Texas Rangers are the worst franchise in all of sports.

    They needed to share the juice with the pitching staff.
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me.
  • josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 30,545
    Flagg wrote:
    All I know is from 2001 - 2003 the Texas Ranges had Juan Gonzalez, Rafael Palmero, Pudge Rodriguez, A-Rod, all using steriods and we still sucked. What an embarrassing franchise. The Texas Rangers are the worst franchise in all of sports.


    holy f yeah i forgot the Rangers had all those players at one time or another damm i have to agree ...
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  • PoncierPoncier Posts: 17,403
    Flagg wrote:
    . The Texas Rangers are the worst franchise in all of sports.
    LA Clippers?
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  • Solat13Solat13 Posts: 6,996
    josevolution wrote:
    Besides AROID ..

    PUDGE RODRIGES
    BIG PAPPY
    MANNY
    PUJOLS

    who else at least another 90 something other players ...we know BIG MAC and i'm def putting SOSSA on the list ...again we deserve to know who else, my list is just expeculation ...

    I disagree with Manny. I agree with Bill Simmons, Sports Guy from ESPN, about Manny. His theory is that Manny is too goofy to ever be able to take something as regimented as steroids.

    I also would like to disagree about Papi but we'll have to see.

    I think Damon would be on the list considering how often he breaks down and how close he and Giambi were in Oakland. And also from the Sox at that time trot Nixon.
    - Busted down the pretext
    - 8/28/98
    - 9/2/00
    - 4/28/03, 5/3/03, 7/3/03, 7/5/03, 7/6/03, 7/9/03, 7/11/03, 7/12/03, 7/14/03
    - 9/28/04, 9/29/04, 10/1/04, 10/2/04
    - 9/11/05, 9/12/05, 9/13/05, 9/30/05, 10/1/05, 10/3/05
    - 5/12/06, 5/13/06, 5/27/06, 5/28/06, 5/30/06, 6/1/06, 6/3/06, 6/23/06, 7/22/06, 7/23/06, 12/2/06, 12/9/06
    - 8/2/07, 8/5/07
    - 6/19/08, 6/20/08, 6/22/08, 6/24/08, 6/25/08, 6/27/08, 6/28/08, 6/30/08, 7/1/08
    - 8/23/09, 8/24/09, 9/21/09, 9/22/09, 10/27/09, 10/28/09, 10/30/09, 10/31/09
    - 5/15/10, 5/17/10, 5/18/10, 5/20/10, 5/21/10, 10/23/10, 10/24/10
    - 9/11/11, 9/12/11
    - 10/18/13, 10/21/13, 10/22/13, 11/30/13, 12/4/13
  • petrocspetrocs Posts: 4,342
    I'll name 2 you'll never find on any list...

    Utley
    Howard


    but I'll bet Delagdo is one
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  • Indifference71Indifference71 Chicago Posts: 14,876
    josevolution wrote:
    Besides AROID ..

    PUDGE RODRIGES
    BIG PAPPY
    MANNY
    PUJOLS

    who else at least another 90 something other players ...we know BIG MAC and i'm def putting SOSSA on the list ...again we deserve to know who else, my list is just expeculation ...

    I would find it really hard to believe that Manny and Pujols have been juicing. But then again I would have put AROD on this list a few days ago. At least AROD had the balls to admit he did it. I really hope this list of 104 players comes out....I'd love to see who is on there.
  • FlaggFlagg Posts: 5,856
    Poncier wrote:
    Flagg wrote:
    . The Texas Rangers are the worst franchise in all of sports.
    LA Clippers?


    Have the Clippers ever won a playoff series? I honestly don't know.

    The Rangers are the only MLB team to have never won a playoff series. The Rays were the other one but they took care of that last year.
    DAL-7/5/98,10/17/00,6/9/03,11/15/13
    BOS-9/28/04,9/29/04,6/28/08,6/30/08, 9/5/16, 9/7/16, 9/2/18
    MTL-9/15/05, OTT-9/16/05
    PHL-5/27/06,5/28/06,10/30/09,10/31/09
    CHI-8/2/07,8/5/07,8/23/09,8/24/09
    HTFD-6/27/08
    ATX-10/4/09, 10/12/14
    KC-5/3/2010,STL-5/4/2010
    Bridge School-10/23/2010,10/24/2010
    PJ20-9/3/2011,9/4/2011
    OKC-11/16/13
    SEA-12/6/13
    TUL-10/8/14
  • patrickredeyespatrickredeyes Posts: 8,834
    Are we really gonna be surprised anymore? The whole situation sucks and ruins what the last 10 to 15 yrs of baseball. HOF is gonna be low on new members in yrs to come. But I would like to see the list of 100 or so players on the this list.
  • normnorm Posts: 31,146
    Flagg wrote:
    Poncier wrote:
    Flagg wrote:
    . The Texas Rangers are the worst franchise in all of sports.
    LA Clippers?


    Have the Clippers ever won a playoff series? I honestly don't know.

    The Rangers are the only MLB team to have never won a playoff series. The Rays were the other one but they took care of that last year.


    here's how bad the clips are...yes they won their first playoff series a couple years back and looked like they might actually be good for a while....yeah well the broke that team up...donald sterling, the owner, wold prefer to not pay high salaries and instead lose but yet still end up in the red

    the rangers may be shit, but the clippers top to bottom are worst franchise in american sports


    oh and as for jose ??, i'd say 75% of mlb took some sort of roid at some point
  • xavier mcdanielxavier mcdaniel Somewhere in NYC Posts: 9,339
    not everyone is going to be a big name, so i'll give you two smaller suspects:

    Brian Giles - from 1999-2002 with Pittsburgh, his home run totals were the following: 39, 35, 37 and 38. That was from ages 28-31, so obviously the prime of his career. He also recently was involved in a case of domestic violence with a girlfriend. This same one alleges physical abuse has been the norm for their relationship

    http://deadspin.com/5112764/somewhere-i ... girlfriend

    Morgan Ensberg - In 2003, he hit 25 home runs in 385 at-bats with the Astros. In 2004, he hit 10 in 411 at-bats and none until July. The following year he hits 36 in 526 at-bats. Since then his batting average has dropped considerably. Of course, maybe he wasn't that good to begin with and pitchers figured him out. But unfortunately in this and age, that's not the first thing we as fans assume anymore.
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    Toronto 2011,Toronto 2011
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  • mfc2006mfc2006 HTOWN Posts: 37,484
    i don't know about Ensberg--and it's not because I'm an Astros fan. but it would be interesting to know why the numbers dropped.

    MIGUEL TEJADA anyone?
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  • Solat13Solat13 Posts: 6,996
    mfc2006 wrote:
    i don't know about Ensberg--and it's not because I'm an Astros fan. but it would be interesting to know why the numbers dropped.

    MIGUEL TEJADA anyone?

    He was named on the Mitchell Report. I think what the OP was trying to do was guess which people haven't been named yet like A Rod.

    But yeah, Tejada is definitely one.
    - Busted down the pretext
    - 8/28/98
    - 9/2/00
    - 4/28/03, 5/3/03, 7/3/03, 7/5/03, 7/6/03, 7/9/03, 7/11/03, 7/12/03, 7/14/03
    - 9/28/04, 9/29/04, 10/1/04, 10/2/04
    - 9/11/05, 9/12/05, 9/13/05, 9/30/05, 10/1/05, 10/3/05
    - 5/12/06, 5/13/06, 5/27/06, 5/28/06, 5/30/06, 6/1/06, 6/3/06, 6/23/06, 7/22/06, 7/23/06, 12/2/06, 12/9/06
    - 8/2/07, 8/5/07
    - 6/19/08, 6/20/08, 6/22/08, 6/24/08, 6/25/08, 6/27/08, 6/28/08, 6/30/08, 7/1/08
    - 8/23/09, 8/24/09, 9/21/09, 9/22/09, 10/27/09, 10/28/09, 10/30/09, 10/31/09
    - 5/15/10, 5/17/10, 5/18/10, 5/20/10, 5/21/10, 10/23/10, 10/24/10
    - 9/11/11, 9/12/11
    - 10/18/13, 10/21/13, 10/22/13, 11/30/13, 12/4/13
  • PureandEasyPureandEasy Posts: 5,817
    I agree, they should name them all

    bastards, putting such a huge black mark on the greatest sport in the WORLD.

    It's so depressing
    Don't come closer or I'll have to go
  • Indifference71Indifference71 Chicago Posts: 14,876
    PureandEasy wrote:
    I agree, they should name them all

    bastards, putting such a huge black mark on the greatest sport in the WORLD.

    It's so depressing

    It's very depressing. Before this past weekend, I kept thinking about how excited I was for the upcoming baseball season. Now we're going to have to listen to all this steroids bullshit all year long.
  • TheDecline13TheDecline13 Posts: 990
    PureandEasy wrote:
    I agree, they should name them all

    bastards, putting such a huge black mark on the greatest sport in the WORLD.

    It's so depressing

    Haaha greatest sport in the world hahaha :lol:

    Whats the big deal about steroids? All it does is make your body recover faster. Its not like they take roids and it makes them see the ball better. You still have to practice, lift weights, put time in..etc Whats the problem?
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  • WobbieWobbie Posts: 30,654
    petrocs wrote:
    I'll name 2 you'll never find on any list...

    Utley
    Howard


    Why? Are they too smart to get caught? :shock:

    Of ALL players in MLB, you'll find that 80% who have been around since 2000 have, at a minimum, "experimented" with PED's.

    The playing field is/was level, because nearly everyone is/was doing the same shit. Please quit "knowing" who is clean.
    If I had known then what I know now...

    Vegas 93, Vegas 98, Vegas 00 (10 year show), Vegas 03, Vegas 06
    VIC 07
    EV LA1 08
    Seattle1 09, Seattle2 09, Salt Lake 09, LA4 09
    Columbus 10
    EV LA 11
    Vancouver 11
    Missoula 12
    Portland 13, Spokane 13
    St. Paul 14, Denver 14
    Philly I & II, 16
    Denver 22
  • Solat13Solat13 Posts: 6,996
    imalive wrote:
    petrocs wrote:
    I'll name 2 you'll never find on any list...

    Utley
    Howard


    Why? Are they too smart to get caught? :shock:

    Of ALL players in MLB, you'll find that 80% who have been around since 2000 have, at a minimum, "experimented" with PED's.

    The playing field is/was level, because nearly everyone is/was doing the same shit. Please quit "knowing" who is clean.

    I have to agree with Petrocs. The test results in question are from 2003 season and Howard wasn't in the majors yet and Utley was a late season callup so Howard would definitely not be on the list and its pretty unlikely Utley would be on the list.
    - Busted down the pretext
    - 8/28/98
    - 9/2/00
    - 4/28/03, 5/3/03, 7/3/03, 7/5/03, 7/6/03, 7/9/03, 7/11/03, 7/12/03, 7/14/03
    - 9/28/04, 9/29/04, 10/1/04, 10/2/04
    - 9/11/05, 9/12/05, 9/13/05, 9/30/05, 10/1/05, 10/3/05
    - 5/12/06, 5/13/06, 5/27/06, 5/28/06, 5/30/06, 6/1/06, 6/3/06, 6/23/06, 7/22/06, 7/23/06, 12/2/06, 12/9/06
    - 8/2/07, 8/5/07
    - 6/19/08, 6/20/08, 6/22/08, 6/24/08, 6/25/08, 6/27/08, 6/28/08, 6/30/08, 7/1/08
    - 8/23/09, 8/24/09, 9/21/09, 9/22/09, 10/27/09, 10/28/09, 10/30/09, 10/31/09
    - 5/15/10, 5/17/10, 5/18/10, 5/20/10, 5/21/10, 10/23/10, 10/24/10
    - 9/11/11, 9/12/11
    - 10/18/13, 10/21/13, 10/22/13, 11/30/13, 12/4/13
  • Black DiamondBlack Diamond Posts: 25,107
    Betcha Lieberthal was...
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  • PoncierPoncier Posts: 17,403
    Backwards Ramon is a definite from 2003.

    I wonder if they had tested in 1996 would Brady Anderson have been positive?
    16 HR in 1995 and 50 in 1996...no red flag there.
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  • Solat13Solat13 Posts: 6,996
    Poncier wrote:
    Backwards Ramon is a definite from 2003.

    I wonder if they had tested in 1996 would Brady Anderson have been positive?
    16 HR in 1995 and 50 in 1996...no red flag there.

    Yeah, I really don't want to see Nomar's name on the list, but he's probably going to be on it.
    - Busted down the pretext
    - 8/28/98
    - 9/2/00
    - 4/28/03, 5/3/03, 7/3/03, 7/5/03, 7/6/03, 7/9/03, 7/11/03, 7/12/03, 7/14/03
    - 9/28/04, 9/29/04, 10/1/04, 10/2/04
    - 9/11/05, 9/12/05, 9/13/05, 9/30/05, 10/1/05, 10/3/05
    - 5/12/06, 5/13/06, 5/27/06, 5/28/06, 5/30/06, 6/1/06, 6/3/06, 6/23/06, 7/22/06, 7/23/06, 12/2/06, 12/9/06
    - 8/2/07, 8/5/07
    - 6/19/08, 6/20/08, 6/22/08, 6/24/08, 6/25/08, 6/27/08, 6/28/08, 6/30/08, 7/1/08
    - 8/23/09, 8/24/09, 9/21/09, 9/22/09, 10/27/09, 10/28/09, 10/30/09, 10/31/09
    - 5/15/10, 5/17/10, 5/18/10, 5/20/10, 5/21/10, 10/23/10, 10/24/10
    - 9/11/11, 9/12/11
    - 10/18/13, 10/21/13, 10/22/13, 11/30/13, 12/4/13
  • FlaggFlagg Posts: 5,856
    norm wrote:
    Flagg wrote:
    Poncier wrote:
    LA Clippers?


    Have the Clippers ever won a playoff series? I honestly don't know.

    The Rangers are the only MLB team to have never won a playoff series. The Rays were the other one but they took care of that last year.


    here's how bad the clips are...yes they won their first playoff series a couple years back and looked like they might actually be good for a while....yeah well the broke that team up...donald sterling, the owner, wold prefer to not pay high salaries and instead lose but yet still end up in the red

    the rangers may be shit, but the clippers top to bottom are worst franchise in american sports


    oh and as for jose ??, i'd say 75% of mlb took some sort of roid at some point

    Further evidence to support the argument that the Rangers are the worst.

    http://www.slate.com/id/2211483/
    DAL-7/5/98,10/17/00,6/9/03,11/15/13
    BOS-9/28/04,9/29/04,6/28/08,6/30/08, 9/5/16, 9/7/16, 9/2/18
    MTL-9/15/05, OTT-9/16/05
    PHL-5/27/06,5/28/06,10/30/09,10/31/09
    CHI-8/2/07,8/5/07,8/23/09,8/24/09
    HTFD-6/27/08
    ATX-10/4/09, 10/12/14
    KC-5/3/2010,STL-5/4/2010
    Bridge School-10/23/2010,10/24/2010
    PJ20-9/3/2011,9/4/2011
    OKC-11/16/13
    SEA-12/6/13
    TUL-10/8/14
  • milarsomilarso Posts: 1,280
    imalive wrote:

    Of ALL players in MLB, you'll find that 80% who have been around since 2000 have, at a minimum, "experimented" with PED's.

    The playing field is/was level, because nearly everyone is/was doing the same shit. Please quit "knowing" who is clean.

    Did you just make that number up, or is there some kind of study or other reliable statistic that cites that?
    "The dude abides. I don't know about you, but I take comfort in that. It's good knowin' he's out there. The Dude. Takin' her easy for all us sinners."
  • milarsomilarso Posts: 1,280
    Flagg wrote:

    Further evidence to support the argument that the Rangers are the worst.

    http://www.slate.com/id/2211483/

    And I'm sorry to disappoint you guys, but the Detroit Lions are worse than the Rangers and the Clippers. They've got being terrible down to a science. Shit players, shit coaches, shit front office, shit owners. Shit from top to bottom.
    "The dude abides. I don't know about you, but I take comfort in that. It's good knowin' he's out there. The Dude. Takin' her easy for all us sinners."
  • WobbieWobbie Posts: 30,654
    Solat13 wrote:

    I have to agree with Petrocs. The test results in question are from 2003 season and Howard wasn't in the majors yet and Utley was a late season callup so Howard would definitely not be on the list and its pretty unlikely Utley would be on the list.

    OK, gotcha....not on "the list" but not necessarily "never experimented."

    Did y'all see how easy Tejada got off yesterday? Just a couple of reporters there to greet him. This hysteria is all media driven.
    milarso wrote:
    imalive wrote:

    Of ALL players in MLB, you'll find that 80% who have been around since 2000 have, at a minimum, "experimented" with PED's.

    The playing field is/was level, because nearly everyone is/was doing the same shit. Please quit "knowing" who is clean.

    Did you just make that number up, or is there some kind of study or other reliable statistic that cites that?

    I made it up! :mrgreen: But really, this is pretty much the number cited by Caminiti and Canseco - the only two players who have been at all honest in discussing PEDs.
    milarso wrote:

    And I'm sorry to disappoint you guys, but the Detroit Lions are worse than the Rangers and the Clippers. They've got being terrible down to a science. Shit players, shit coaches, shit front office, shit owners. Shit from top to bottom.

    Team motto: Detroit Lions - rebuilding since 1957 :mrgreen:
    If I had known then what I know now...

    Vegas 93, Vegas 98, Vegas 00 (10 year show), Vegas 03, Vegas 06
    VIC 07
    EV LA1 08
    Seattle1 09, Seattle2 09, Salt Lake 09, LA4 09
    Columbus 10
    EV LA 11
    Vancouver 11
    Missoula 12
    Portland 13, Spokane 13
    St. Paul 14, Denver 14
    Philly I & II, 16
    Denver 22
  • milarsomilarso Posts: 1,280
    imalive wrote:

    I made it up! :mrgreen: But really, this is pretty much the number cited by Caminiti and Canseco - the only two players who have been at all honest in discussing PEDs.
    milarso wrote:

    And I'm sorry to disappoint you guys, but the Detroit Lions are worse than the Rangers and the Clippers. They've got being terrible down to a science. Shit players, shit coaches, shit front office, shit owners. Shit from top to bottom.

    Team motto: Detroit Lions - rebuilding since 1957 :mrgreen:

    Oh I gotcha. I never read Canseco's books, but I think I probably will at some point. I'm just so sick of this steroid shit.

    The Lions... what else is there to say? Oldest expansion team in organized professional sports...
    "The dude abides. I don't know about you, but I take comfort in that. It's good knowin' he's out there. The Dude. Takin' her easy for all us sinners."
  • FlaggFlagg Posts: 5,856
    edited February 2009
    milarso wrote:
    Flagg wrote:

    Further evidence to support the argument that the Rangers are the worst.

    http://www.slate.com/id/2211483/

    And I'm sorry to disappoint you guys, but the Detroit Lions are worse than the Rangers and the Clippers. They've got being terrible down to a science. Shit players, shit coaches, shit front office, shit owners. Shit from top to bottom.

    Agreed on the current state of shittiness. But they have won playoff games before. And their entire team has never been accused of cheating and then still stinking.
    Post edited by Flagg on
    DAL-7/5/98,10/17/00,6/9/03,11/15/13
    BOS-9/28/04,9/29/04,6/28/08,6/30/08, 9/5/16, 9/7/16, 9/2/18
    MTL-9/15/05, OTT-9/16/05
    PHL-5/27/06,5/28/06,10/30/09,10/31/09
    CHI-8/2/07,8/5/07,8/23/09,8/24/09
    HTFD-6/27/08
    ATX-10/4/09, 10/12/14
    KC-5/3/2010,STL-5/4/2010
    Bridge School-10/23/2010,10/24/2010
    PJ20-9/3/2011,9/4/2011
    OKC-11/16/13
    SEA-12/6/13
    TUL-10/8/14
  • FlaggFlagg Posts: 5,856
    double post.
    DAL-7/5/98,10/17/00,6/9/03,11/15/13
    BOS-9/28/04,9/29/04,6/28/08,6/30/08, 9/5/16, 9/7/16, 9/2/18
    MTL-9/15/05, OTT-9/16/05
    PHL-5/27/06,5/28/06,10/30/09,10/31/09
    CHI-8/2/07,8/5/07,8/23/09,8/24/09
    HTFD-6/27/08
    ATX-10/4/09, 10/12/14
    KC-5/3/2010,STL-5/4/2010
    Bridge School-10/23/2010,10/24/2010
    PJ20-9/3/2011,9/4/2011
    OKC-11/16/13
    SEA-12/6/13
    TUL-10/8/14
  • milarsomilarso Posts: 1,280
    Flagg wrote:
    milarso wrote:
    Flagg wrote:

    Further evidence to support the argument that the Rangers are the worst.

    http://www.slate.com/id/2211483/

    And I'm sorry to disappoint you guys, but the Detroit Lions are worse than the Rangers and the Clippers. They've got being terrible down to a science. Shit players, shit coaches, shit front office, shit owners. Shit from top to bottom.

    Agreed on the current state of shittiness. But they have won playoff games before. And their entire team has never been accused of cheating and then still stinking.

    Keep in mind though- yes they did win A playoff game. They had one (and you could make an argument for No. 1) of the best running backs in the history of the game in Barry Sanders. And the franchise took this guy, and pretty much ran him out of the game...
    "The dude abides. I don't know about you, but I take comfort in that. It's good knowin' he's out there. The Dude. Takin' her easy for all us sinners."
  • WobbieWobbie Posts: 30,654
    milarso wrote:

    The Lions... what else is there to say? Oldest expansion team in organized professional sports...

    and if any city could use a break, it's Detroit. :oops: :oops:

    Well, they do have the Pistons and Red Wings.
    If I had known then what I know now...

    Vegas 93, Vegas 98, Vegas 00 (10 year show), Vegas 03, Vegas 06
    VIC 07
    EV LA1 08
    Seattle1 09, Seattle2 09, Salt Lake 09, LA4 09
    Columbus 10
    EV LA 11
    Vancouver 11
    Missoula 12
    Portland 13, Spokane 13
    St. Paul 14, Denver 14
    Philly I & II, 16
    Denver 22
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