why didn't you and those 13 dudes pool your money, get SBA loans and start your own restaurant?
the restaurant business is hit or miss.
I'm talking about labor, not ideas. as employees we are notoriously strapped for cash. we spend what we make, and we enjoy our free time, more so than other industries, I'm sure. what could we have done? even if we pooled our money... if we decided, that for the sake of a business venture, we were going to take out a loan and start a restaurant...we wouldn't have had the advantages of the owners of the restaurant we were literally running. they were on elliot bay, in the same building as the marina. prime location. they were a step ahead before we began. they had the funds going in to set up an environment that very few people could compete with.
the owners got by on the hard work of others, and that's the backbone of capitalism. they had the means to start that restaurant, through exploiting labor, and are probably going to continue that in the future. for us to compete with them we would need more than the 13-20 of us could come up with, its unrealistic.
what I know is how to run a restaurant. and we ran that place, like no one since. not to be pissy or nostalgic, that restaurant has gone to shit since we left, the owners have been set back, and it came down to not respecting their employees-the people that literally ran the business. all i am saying is that we should have been given a cut of the profit, since we did all the work. and I think that's a realistic demand. I'm sure in hindsight the owners would agree. they've literally lost millions.
Somewhere along the lines, the owners took risks to build up their wealth, so its not as if they magically created the money to invest in the restaurant.
Its seems as if you were paid an above-average wage, so that was their way of giving you a share of the profits. Being that you think you deserved a share of the profits, would you also have been prepared to fund the losses that may have occured?
Somewhere along the lines, the owners took risks to build up their wealth, so its not as if they magically created the money to invest in the restaurant.
Its seems as if you were paid an above-average wage, so that was their way of giving you a share of the profits. Being that you think you deserved a share of the profits, would you also have been prepared to fund the losses that may have occured?
my disagreement is with capitalism. this is just a specific case that kind of magnifies the problem. the wealthy minority benefit from the labor of the majority.
Somewhere along the lines, the owners took risks to build up their wealth, so its not as if they magically created the money to invest in the restaurant.
Its seems as if you were paid an above-average wage, so that was their way of giving you a share of the profits. Being that you think you deserved a share of the profits, would you also have been prepared to fund the losses that may have occured?
my disagreement is with capitalism. this is just a specific case that kind of magnifies the problem. the wealthy minority benefit from the labor of the majority.
Well, what would you propose as a more equitable business model?
From where should the start-up capital come? Who should be responsible for funding any potential losses?
Do you think that the a government should own all of the businesses?
I have two family members with this situation. One of them had a contract that on X date he will make X amount more. The company told him flat out, we just can't do the raise anymore. Since he can't find a better job at the time, he's staying at the normal pay.
I'd tread carefully, unless you have a backup plan for employment. I'm not saying you are not in the right - but just be careful.
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my disagreement is with capitalism. this is just a specific case that kind of magnifies the problem. the wealthy minority benefit from the labor of the majority.
Yep. Its complete bullshit.
i'm just not sure anymore that there is dick we can do about it.
"When all your friends and sedatives mean well but make it worse... better find yourself a place to level out."
Somewhere along the lines, the owners took risks to build up their wealth, so its not as if they magically created the money to invest in the restaurant.
Its seems as if you were paid an above-average wage, so that was their way of giving you a share of the profits. Being that you think you deserved a share of the profits, would you also have been prepared to fund the losses that may have occured?
my disagreement is with capitalism. this is just a specific case that kind of magnifies the problem. the wealthy minority benefit from the labor of the majority.
See, now there I agree with you. I don't think capitalism is good or sustainable. My points was only that if, as you claimed initially, workers had all the power, capitalism would be just fine. But they don't, which is why capitalism is dangerous.
to the OP id be very careful. if you do "organize" , make sure that what you're doing is actually LEGAL (i realise thats why ur asking for lawyers), dont go making it worse than it is.
You dont really have it that bad if you're keeping your job. Harsh but true.
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Somewhere along the lines, the owners took risks to build up their wealth, so its not as if they magically created the money to invest in the restaurant.
Its seems as if you were paid an above-average wage, so that was their way of giving you a share of the profits. Being that you think you deserved a share of the profits, would you also have been prepared to fund the losses that may have occured?
Well, what would you propose as a more equitable business model?
From where should the start-up capital come? Who should be responsible for funding any potential losses?
Do you think that the a government should own all of the businesses?
I'd tread carefully, unless you have a backup plan for employment. I'm not saying you are not in the right - but just be careful.
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Yep. Its complete bullshit.
i'm just not sure anymore that there is dick we can do about it.
See, now there I agree with you. I don't think capitalism is good or sustainable. My points was only that if, as you claimed initially, workers had all the power, capitalism would be just fine. But they don't, which is why capitalism is dangerous.
You dont really have it that bad if you're keeping your job. Harsh but true.