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what year was it when they went soft?

SpinbrettSpinbrett Posts: 251
edited May 2008 in The Porch
95? 96? Watch early stuff from PJ and it completely blows you away with the intesity. EVERY member is basically going crazy and owning the stage, now, its about as intense as bingo night at the retirement home. I know they got older but, what happened?
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    simplemansimpleman Posts: 425
    you clearly have never been to a bingo night at a retirement home!!??!!?
    " Jump from a cliff to fly, not to fall..."
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    pjtradekingpjtradeking Posts: 4,045
    Spinbrett wrote:
    95? 96? Watch early stuff from PJ and it completely blows you away with the intesity. EVERY member is basically going crazy and owning the stage, now, its about as intense as bingo night at the retirement home. I know they got older but, what happened?

    You still here trolling around??
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    simplemansimpleman Posts: 425
    pjtradeking wrote:
    You still here trolling around??
    dude, what is the meaning of said trolling?? I see that every now and than and wonder!
    " Jump from a cliff to fly, not to fall..."
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    Rhinocerous SurpriseRhinocerous Surprise Posts: 4,423
    Spinbrett wrote:
    95? 96? Watch early stuff from PJ and it completely blows you away with the intesity. EVERY member is basically going crazy and owning the stage, now, its about as intense as bingo night at the retirement home. I know they got older but, what happened?

    They realised bingo is where the money's at.
    Smokey Robinson constantly looks like he's trying to act natural after being accused of farting.
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    Vedd HeddVedd Hedd Posts: 4,526
    They went soft in two-thousand-never.
    Turn this anger into
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    DiRtyFranK38DiRtyFranK38 Posts: 3,131
    went soft? are you nuts? pj shows are better then ever.
    2006: Hartford
    2008: MSG 1, Hartford, Mansfield 2, Ed Solo NYC 1
    2009: London (O2), Philly 1, 2, 3, & 4
    2010: Hartford, Boston, MSG 1 & 2
    2011: Ed Solo Hartford
    2012: Philly (MIA Fest)
    2013: Worcester 2, Brooklyn 1 & 2, Hartford
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    SpinbrettSpinbrett Posts: 251
    this is what it use to look like.
    http://youtube.com/watch?v=VbhsYC4gKy4
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    josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 28,340
    Spinbrett wrote:
    this is what it use to look like.
    http://youtube.com/watch?v=VbhsYC4gKy4


    yeah yeah we remember ,do you still act like when you were 16 oh wait how old are you ? ..
    jesus greets me looks just like me ....
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    DiRtyFranK38DiRtyFranK38 Posts: 3,131
    Spinbrett wrote:
    this is what it use to look like.
    http://youtube.com/watch?v=VbhsYC4gKy4

    its obvious that shows were crazier, more intense, and heavier back then.

    however, to say they have gone soft is craziness. the band has grown and matured musically much more. they are a much better band now. the shows are tighter, longer, have better setlists, and are performed better. yes the early crazy days are AMAZING, but its all a part of the evolution of the band. no code - present has produced unbelievable albums and undeniably the band's greatest tours containing some of their most legendary and epic shows, whether or not people are crowd surfing and ed is jumping off of ledges. i much prefer the creative diverse pj. the passion is WITHOUT A DOUBT still there. its just not expressed in the same way anymore. sorry bro, i think you're dead wrong.
    2006: Hartford
    2008: MSG 1, Hartford, Mansfield 2, Ed Solo NYC 1
    2009: London (O2), Philly 1, 2, 3, & 4
    2010: Hartford, Boston, MSG 1 & 2
    2011: Ed Solo Hartford
    2012: Philly (MIA Fest)
    2013: Worcester 2, Brooklyn 1 & 2, Hartford
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    simplemansimpleman Posts: 425
    Don't worry Spinbrett, they will go back to their old active form......



    and than 1 year later they'll be sitting in front of congress trying to explain all the HGH accusations!!
    " Jump from a cliff to fly, not to fall..."
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    fugawzifugawzi Posts: 878
    PJ shows are still intense. That was 1992, 16 years ago I'd say they have matured a little since then. Just because Eddie's not stage diving 30 feet down into the crowd doesn't mean they went soft. Also, Roskilde probably has a lot to do with them trying to tone things down a little.
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    UpSideDownUpSideDown Posts: 1,966
    the band matured, and the music matured. you can go crazy playing animal or once in front of a crowd for the first time. it is a little different when you are debuting songs like low light/off he goes.
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    Stephen FlowStephen Flow Posts: 3,327
    Spinbrett wrote:
    95? 96? Watch early stuff from PJ and it completely blows you away with the intesity. EVERY member is basically going crazy and owning the stage, now, its about as intense as bingo night at the retirement home. I know they got older but, what happened?

    First off *sigh*

    Honestly, I'd rather be at a show NOW then a show Pre-96.

    As it has been said, they've grown up, but Ed also learned how to sing so he wasn't wrecking his throat night after night around 95-96ish if I'm not mistaken and I would think that might have something to do with him not being all nuts and crazy on stage.
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    stickboystickboy Posts: 2,981
    I dunno about soft, but the shows I been to up until Gorge 06 and Lolla they still bring a sick energy. Mikey rocks out like a madman still and ed gets into his phases...hell even Jeffs kicked it up compared to like the 00 tour. They were solid that yr but mellow onstage presence. It was a diff. vibe. The 05 and 06 tours even in Canada there was crazy energy at shows like vancouver and toronto, etc.
    so soft? nahh..just diff intensity
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    red mosred mos Posts: 4,953
    simpleman wrote:
    dude, what is the meaning of said trolling?? I see that every now and than and wonder!


    "trolling" is a term that people use to describe the activity of coming on a message forum to stir up trouble. Like they post negative comments about the band or songs or whatever or try to start shit with other board members. I'm not saying anyone in this thread is doing that though.

    To answer the original posters question, I don't think pj went "soft." I think they simply expended their horizons and branched out musically. That is one reason I love pj, they just create music that they want to, and still go back to their roots at the same time. There are "rocker" songs on every discs they have released. Their music is truly beautiful art.
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    PappasPappas Posts: 809
    id say mike goes just as hard on stage now as he did back in 1992

    without drugs too so its an even bigger effort!
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    LONGRDLONGRD Posts: 6,036
    red mos wrote:
    "trolling" is a term that people use to describe the activity of coming on a message forum to stir up trouble. Like they post negative comments about the band or songs or whatever or try to start shit with other board members. I'm not saying anyone in this thread is doing that though.

    To answer the original posters question, I don't think pj went "soft." I think they simply expended their horizons and branched out musically. That is one reason I love pj, they just create music that they want to, and still go back to their roots at the same time. There are "rocker" songs on every discs they have released. Their music is truly beautiful art.
    Trolls aren't as bad as spams, though.

    To the OP, I don't think their stage performance is soft, just more mature like others have said.
    PJ- 04/29/2003.06/24,25,27,28,30/2008.10/27,28,30,31/2009
    EV- 08/09,10/2008.06/08,09/2009
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    tdubtdub Posts: 226
    If i'm not mistaken, this clip is a very recent version of Evenflow - these guys look as pumped up as ever!! intense baaaby!!

    http://youtube.com/watch?v=6zHSUDrLDBQ
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    pearljammerpearljammer Posts: 237
    Spinbrett wrote:
    this is what it use to look like.
    http://youtube.com/watch?v=VbhsYC4gKy4

    Same song in 2006.. http://youtube.com/watch?v=zOibN-Ugku0

    Just as intense.
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    stupidcorporatewhorestupidcorporatewhore Posts: 761
    Spinbrett wrote:
    95? 96? Watch early stuff from PJ and it completely blows you away with the intesity. EVERY member is basically going crazy and owning the stage, now, its about as intense as bingo night at the retirement home. I know they got older but, what happened?

    would you rather PJ be a fucking joke like Metallica?

    that is to say, they play exactly the same music to the same audience over 20 years?

    they not only got older, they grew up!

    does going back to the "early days" mean waiting an hour and a half for them to show up? does it mean taking the chance they might not be in "performance condition"? this is pretty much typical of the band in it's "heyday".

    umm no thanks.
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    cd21millercd21miller Columbia, MO Posts: 302
    it's evolution, baby! (ever think you haven't evolved and the band has?)
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    stickboystickboy Posts: 2,981
    stupidcorporatewhore wrote:
    would you rather PJ be a fucking joke like Metallica?

    that is to say, they play exactly the same music to the same audience over 20 years?

    they not only got older, they grew up!

    does going back to the "early days" mean waiting an hour and a half for them to show up? does it mean taking the chance they might not be in "performance condition"? this is pretty much typical of the band in it's "heyday".

    umm no thanks.
    man Im so glad PJ nver turned into Metallica. Id be so devastated, and this is coming from a huge metallica fan whose been dissapointed completely over the past few yrs

    I just popped on Marseilles 06...theres osme enrgy right there for ya, check out that setlist..this show fuckin ROCKED...lucky bastrds! :P
    Aah, fuck it, I’m just gonna go home, turn on the fuckin’ TV...
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    vedder_soupvedder_soup Posts: 5,860
    pearljammer wrote:
    Same song in 2006.. http://youtube.com/watch?v=zOibN-Ugku0

    Just as intense.

    Same song, again in 06 and a massive crowd...
    I reckon alot more intense than 92!

    these guys aren't 25 any more! i think that has alot to do with onstage antics!
    but i think as a whole crowd safety is anot better and you dont see so much crazy shit going on like stage dives or whatever at any show!
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    2006 - Reading Festival,
    2007 - Katowice, London, Nijmegen, Rock Werchter,
    2008 - MSG x2, Hartford, Mansfield x2, Beacon Theater,
    2009 - Melbourne, Sydney,
    2010 - I watched it go to fire!
    2011 - EV Brisbane x3, Newcastle, Sydney x3,
    2012 - Manchester x 2, Amsterdam x2, Prague, Berlin x2, Stockholm, Oslo, Copenhagen,
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    12345AGNST112345AGNST1 Posts: 4,906
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q-7MyOUeVd0


    I always love seeing your stupid threads. Oh and btw, i never knew senior citizens climbed 20 foot ladders at bingo night...interesting.
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    CitizenRickCitizenRick Posts: 1,079
    Are Brain of J, DTE, God's Dice, Save You, Comotose, Severed Hand, and Big Wave just to name a few off the top of my head...considered soft?
    "Had my eyes peeled both wide open, and I got a glimpse...of my innocense, got back my inner sence, baby got it...still got it"
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    Niko80Niko80 Posts: 1,568
    The band has softened up over the years, no doubt about that. Eddie went from being a firework display to a statue on stage in 1993/1994. They still play hard though, but definately not as hard as they used to.

    I guess it began when the band started to focus on other things beside their music. Eddie's issues with fame, ticketmaster and so on...
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    brain of cbrain of c Posts: 5,213
    1992
    d'oh!!!!!!

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    dunkmandunkman Posts: 19,646
    Spinbrett wrote:
    95? 96? Watch early stuff from PJ and it completely blows you away with the intesity. EVERY member is basically going crazy and owning the stage, now, its about as intense as bingo night at the retirement home. I know they got older but, what happened?

    i'm the absolute opposite of you on this one... the early stuff makes me cringe with embarrassment... i hate it... they look like drunk 14 year old carnies after 4 hours on a spinning ride.

    i like the mellow groove they've got going on... if i want to watch people flailing around on a stage in some testosterone fuelled orgy of long hair then i'll just buy a 70's porn movie.
    oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
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    IndifferenceIndifference Posts: 2,649
    2030

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    Mexico=1, Colombia=1 

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    elmerelmer Posts: 1,683
    Spinbrett wrote:
    EVERY member is basically going crazy and owning the stage,
    Hahahahaha!!!

    They don't do too bad nowadays.

    Actually, EV slowed the frenetic stage routine down around 94.
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