Obama reverses Bush's abortion policy

soulsinging

Pats54 wrote:

Why shoud we be providing american $$'s for this??????

The debate of our foreign aid spending is something entirely different. You could ask that question about any foreign aid we give. But as long as we're dishing it out, why tell everyone they can't do things we do here? Shit, fewer babies born in poor countries that can't support the people they already have is a good way to reduce the amount of aid we provide later. Give those people abortion and contraception.

VINNY GOOMBA

Foreign aid is a bad idea altogether, and our nation really has to put an end to it. ALL OF IT. We are trillions of dollars in debt, so we don't have the money to give to anyone at all, really.

With that, you have real freedom to choose what cause or charity your money goes to. The good PEOPLE of America get to choose, versus our government forcibly taking it from us, probably spending some of it in ways you could never imagine, and then giving the leftovers to another corrupt government who will again use it how they want to use it.

All the while, you think you've done something to help, but you've only gotten robbed, and nothing significant has been accomplished towards alleviating whatever problem you were trying to fix with our foreign "aid."

Come to think of it, 'pro-lifers' should be jumping up and down with joy at this decision. What better way to ensure that information about abortion options never makes it to the people that 'need it' than letting government handle it?

decides2dream

VINNY GOOMBA wrote:

Foreign aid is a bad idea altogether, and our nation really has to put an end to it. ALL OF IT. We are trillions of dollars in debt, so we don't have the money to give to anyone at all, really.

With that, you have real freedom to choose what cause or charity your money goes to. The good PEOPLE of America get to choose, versus our government forcibly taking it from us, probably spending some of it in ways you could never imagine, and then giving the leftovers to another corrupt government who will again use it how they want to use it.

All the while, you think you've done something to help, but you've only gotten robbed, and nothing significant has been accomplished towards alleviating whatever problem you were trying to fix with our foreign "aid."

Come to think of it, 'pro-lifers' should be jumping up and down with joy at this decision. What better way to ensure that information about abortion options never makes it to the people that 'need it' than letting government handle it?

quite honestly, i'd far rather give money in aide than in war....but that's me. wouldn't it be great if instead of wreaking havoc in the world, we actually worked towards the greater good of humanity, the world-over?


btw - the governement isn't handling it...they are just releasing the funds so that OTHEr agencies who do offer said information may do their jobs fully, and offer ALL information/choices, without risk of losing US foreign aide.

scb wrote:

No one's saying your tax money will go to fund abortions in other countries. And this issue isn't about whether or not the US should be helping to fund public health efforts abroad; we already do/did that.

The Mexico City Policy - or Global Gag Rule, as it's known to many - prohibited overseas organizations from receiving U.S. family planning assistance if they used their non-U.S. funds to provide abortion information, services or counseling, or engaged in any abortion rights advocacy. So if an organization received U.S. funds to help prevent the spread of AIDS, for instance, they were not allowed to hand a pregnant rape victim a pamphlet listing abortion as one of her options - even if they didn't even perform abortions. Just providing the information would get their funding pulled, which sometimes meant the only clinic in town would have to shut down.

well stated. amazing how the full information doesn't always seem to reach the minds of all.

VINNY GOOMBA

quite honestly, i'd far rather give money in aide than in war....but that's me. wouldn't it be great if instead of wreaking havoc in the world, we actually worked towards the greater good of humanity, the world-over?

btw - the governement isn't handling it...they are just releasing the funds so that OTHEr agencies who do offer said information may do their jobs fully, and offer ALL information/choices, without risk of losing US foreign aide.

I'd rather give NEITHER, but unfortunately I have no control and no choice. Aren't we supposed to have the choice?

We don't need any more listings on our government's balance sheet than we already have. Just because X million dollars was supposed to go to Country B, doesn't mean it did. With less transparency than ever, we need far less of our government doing things of this nature. Really, who's to say that so much of it isn't used ON WAR? Weapons? Things that you do not support. It's not like we ever get to see how our money is spent, ever.

Aid, in theory, should be a good thing, but it never is. Why do we aid both sides of most major conflicts in the world? In the end, neither side ever thanks us, and only gets pissed off for helping the other side.

I agree, I'd rather see money going to help people than hurt people. The bottomline is, it is only fair that our charitable donations come from the people, not the government.

SolarWorld

soulsinging wrote:

Pats54 wrote:

Why shoud we be providing american $$'s for this??????

The debate of our foreign aid spending is something entirely different. You could ask that question about any foreign aid we give. But as long as we're dishing it out, why tell everyone they can't do things we do here? Shit, fewer babies born in poor countries that can't support the people they already have is a good way to reduce the amount of aid we provide later. Give those people abortion and contraception.

Not to mention the public heath benefits of people using condoms...

cincybearcat

Heineken Helen wrote:

Pats54 wrote:

Don't take my tax $$'s to pay for it

You can't pick and choose what your taxes are used for...

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Ummm, so we should just sit back and let them do whatever they want to do with our tax money? I'm not sure I understand you.

decides2dream

cincybearcat wrote:

Ummm, so we should just sit back and let them do whatever they want to do with our tax money? I'm not sure I understand you.

agreed. it's important to speak up about ideas and policies one disagrees with, and most definitely in the voter's booth.


as to this issue, i guess i don't understand the 'problem' with it per se. as scb posted above, it clearly states US funds will NOT be used to provide abortions, just to support agencies/clinics that actually do use other funds for such - if at all, but mostly, that we will fund clinics that at least give ALL information, all options, available. so our tax dollars are not being used to pay for foreign abortions, merely access to information and other sexuality/health issues...i fail to see the negative in that. by picking/choosing what health agencies we would support simply b/c they did offer abortions and/or FULL information of choices, i personally believe we were doing a disservice. now if you are totally anti-foreign aide, another issue entirely.