Obama reverses Bush's abortion policy

soulsinging

Another piece of good news... Obama is wiping out the Bush admin's policy denying foreign aid to anyone that practices, promotes, or mentions abortion.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090123/ap_ ... ortion_ban

Pats54

soulsinging wrote:

Another piece of good news... Obama is wiping out the Bush admin's policy denying foreign aid to anyone that practices, promotes, or mentions abortion.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090123/ap_ ... ortion_ban

Why shoud we be providing american $$'s for this??????

darthvedder81

Because abortion is Big Business.

More dead babies = Global economic prosperity!

Heineken Helen

Pats54 wrote:

soulsinging wrote:

Another piece of good news... Obama is wiping out the Bush admin's policy denying foreign aid to anyone that practices, promotes, or mentions abortion.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090123/ap_ ... ortion_ban

Why shoud we be providing american $$'s for this??????

just cos YOU'LL never need counselling on whether or not you need an abortion or whether or not you've had one... doesn't mean a future or past shag of yours won't or didn't. Do you oppose everything that doesn't affect you?

Pats54

Heineken Helen wrote:

Pats54 wrote:

soulsinging wrote:

Another piece of good news... Obama is wiping out the Bush admin's policy denying foreign aid to anyone that practices, promotes, or mentions abortion.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090123/ap_ ... ortion_ban

Why shoud we be providing american $$'s for this??????

just cos YOU'LL never need counselling on whether or not you need an abortion or whether or not you've had one... doesn't mean a future or past shag of yours won't or didn't. Do you oppose everything that doesn't affect you?

Don't take my tax $$'s to pay for it

Heineken Helen

Pats54 wrote:

Heineken Helen wrote:

Pats54 wrote:

Why shoud we be providing american $$'s for this??????

just cos YOU'LL never need counselling on whether or not you need an abortion or whether or not you've had one... doesn't mean a future or past shag of yours won't or didn't. Do you oppose everything that doesn't affect you?

Don't take my tax $$'s to pay for it

I'm sure it's cheaper to pay for an abortion than for your tax $$s to rear a child... don't use money as an excuse. You can't pick and choose what your taxes are used for... you'll agree with some and disagree with others... but don't ask why OTHERS have to pay for your kids to go to school or for whatever it is you agree with.

Pats54

Don't take my tax $$'s to pay for it[/quote]
I'm sure it's cheaper to pay for an abortion than for your tax $$s to rear a child... don't use money as an excuse. You can't pick and choose what your taxes are used for... you'll agree with some and disagree with others... but don't ask why OTHERS have to pay for your kids to go to school or for whatever it is you agree with.[/quote]

I pay for my kids schooling b/c the public education system sucks, but that is another topic. Too bad I can't check off where the money is spent s/b defense, roads, police, fire etc.. Plus they are taking this money and going overseas with it. I have to pay for some else's irresponsibility

Heineken Helen

Pats54 wrote:

Don't take my tax $$'s to pay for it

I'm sure it's cheaper to pay for an abortion than for your tax $$s to rear a child... don't use money as an excuse. You can't pick and choose what your taxes are used for... you'll agree with some and disagree with others... but don't ask why OTHERS have to pay for your kids to go to school or for whatever it is you agree with.[/quote]

I pay for my kids schooling b/c the public education system sucks, but that is another topic. Too bad I can't check off where the money is spent s/b defense, roads, police, fire etc.. Plus they are taking this money and going overseas with it. I have to pay for some else's irresponsibility[/quote]
theyre going overseas with it??????

and yes, you do... never made a mistake in your life???

Pats54

Heineken Helen wrote:

Pats54 wrote:

Don't take my tax $$'s to pay for it

I'm sure it's cheaper to pay for an abortion than for your tax $$s to rear a child... don't use money as an excuse. You can't pick and choose what your taxes are used for... you'll agree with some and disagree with others... but don't ask why OTHERS have to pay for your kids to go to school or for whatever it is you agree with.

I pay for my kids schooling b/c the public education system sucks, but that is another topic. Too bad I can't check off where the money is spent s/b defense, roads, police, fire etc.. Plus they are taking this money and going overseas with it. I have to pay for some else's irresponsibility[/quote]
theyre going overseas with it??????

and yes, you do... never made a mistake in your life???[/quote]

made plenty of mistakes Didn't request a foreign govt to bail me out

CJMST3K

Why don't we just remove the babies intact, and put them in an incubator, remove their brains and use their bodies for organ transplants? We could even financially reward the mothers.

Heineken Helen

Pats54 wrote:

made plenty of mistakes Didn't request a foreign govt to bail me out

where in that link does it say you're paying for foreign abortions?

JR8805

We help other countries do a lot of stuff. We help because, in some cases, it's the right thing to do. But, in other cases we help because it actually helps us financially in the end to help them up front. Responsibility is a much bigger concept than just saying no. In a lot of foreign countries, especially the underdeveloped nations or in nations with very fundamentalist factions, women do not have the option of saying no. They have the option of being raped and maybe living with the result. If they die from the rape or beating, I guess you don't have to spend the money, solving the problem of helping the "irresponsible." I think it's the right thing to help these girls and women out of a situation they never asked to be in in the first place, carrying the child of a man who raped them, their mother or their baby sister, as well. Of course, the five-year didn't live to tell about it or complain of pregnancy. Why should we spend our dollars on this? Maybe because their is some measure of justice and comfort somewhere. Just maybe. And just maybe we can provide it and sleep better at night even if it involves our spending money on others.

wolfbear

Great news! He also helped the wolves.

"President Barack Obama has suspended the eleventh-hour attempt by Bush Administration officials to eliminate vital protections for hundreds of wolves in Greater Yellowstone and the rest of the Northern Rockies.

These beloved wolves have literally dodged a bullet. Under the Bush plan, nearly 1,000 of these magnificent animals could have been slaughtered.

But Greater Yellowstone’s wolves aren’t out of the woods yet. Officials in Idaho and Wyoming have already signaled their intent to pursue delisting under their existing management plans -- the same plans that would allow widespread killing of the region’s still-recovering wolf population.

Take action now! Urge President Obama and Dale Hall, head of the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service, to permanently reject the Bush wolf plan and adopt a more responsible, long-term approach to wolf management in the Northern Rockies.

A successful wolf management plan would ensure a lasting future for these amazing animals with the most current science on wolf recovery and collaborative input from conservationists, ranchers and others concerned with the future of wolves in Greater Yellowstone and the Northern Rockies. "

Pats54

Heineken Helen wrote:

Pats54 wrote:

made plenty of mistakes Didn't request a foreign govt to bail me out

where in that link does it say you're paying for foreign abortions?

Ok International Groups - President Barack Obama on Friday struck down the Bush administration's ban on giving federal money to international groups that perform abortions or provide abortion information.

Hopefully several future terroists will be aborted so I guess there is a silver lining.

mca47

Pats54 wrote:

Don't take my tax $$'s to pay for it

Don't use my tax dollars to fund a unjust war. Yet they did that for the last 7 years. I fully support Obama's reversal of this policy.

CB206820

mca47 wrote:

Pats54 wrote:

Don't take my tax $$'s to pay for it

Don't use my tax dollars to fund a unjust war. Yet they did that for the last 7 years. I fully support Obama's reversal of this policy.

What he said.

decides2dream

awesome!


another step in the right direction!

we give numerous funds in foreign aid in any case.....this does not lessen nor add to what we actually spend on foreign aide at all, so if one against foreign aide...tis another topic really. all this does is open up funds to organizations who DO offer abortions, along with HIV/AIDs education and prevention, and all the health/sexuality aide we offer....outside of the outstandingly successful abstinence-only policy we've been pusing. :roll: seriously...this is great news! if we're going to give aide - and we are - let's not limit others' options.


kudos obama!

mca47

decides2dream wrote:

awesome!


another step in the right direction!

we give numerous funds in foreign aid in any case.....this does not lessen nor add to what we actually spend on foreign aide at all, so if one against foreign aide...tis another topic really. all this does is open up funds to organizations who DO offer abortions, along with HIV/AIDs education and prevention, and all the health/sexuality aide we offer....outside of the outstandingly successful abstinence-only policy we've been pusing. :roll: seriously...this is great news! if we're going to give aide - and we are - let's not limit others' options.


kudos obama!

Amen brotha'!

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Pats54 wrote:

Heineken Helen wrote:

where in that link does it say you're paying for foreign abortions?

Ok International Groups - President Barack Obama on Friday struck down the Bush administration's ban on giving federal money to international groups that perform abortions or provide abortion information.

No one's saying your tax money will go to fund abortions in other countries. And this issue isn't about whether or not the US should be helping to fund public health efforts abroad; we already do/did that.

The Mexico City Policy - or Global Gag Rule, as it's known to many - prohibited overseas organizations from receiving U.S. family planning assistance if they used their non-U.S. funds to provide abortion information, services or counseling, or engaged in any abortion rights advocacy. So if an organization received U.S. funds to help prevent the spread of AIDS, for instance, they were not allowed to hand a pregnant rape victim a pamphlet listing abortion as one of her options - even if they didn't even perform abortions. Just providing the information would get their funding pulled, which sometimes meant the only clinic in town would have to shut down.

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decides2dream wrote:

awesome!


another step in the right direction!

we give numerous funds in foreign aid in any case.....this does not lessen nor add to what we actually spend on foreign aide at all, so if one against foreign aide...tis another topic really. all this does is open up funds to organizations who DO offer abortions, along with HIV/AIDs education and prevention, and all the health/sexuality aide we offer....outside of the outstandingly successful abstinence-only policy we've been pusing. :roll: seriously...this is great news! if we're going to give aide - and we are - let's not limit others' options.


kudos obama!

Can you imagine the uprising that would result if Bush had tried to pull the same shit on Americans? There's no way in hell he would have gotten away with it. It would be medically unethical and probably be grounds for malpractice claims.

milarso

mca47 wrote:

Pats54 wrote:

Don't take my tax $$'s to pay for it

Don't use my tax dollars to fund a unjust war. Yet they did that for the last 7 years. I fully support Obama's reversal of this policy.

Word

soulsinging

Pats54 wrote:

Why shoud we be providing american $$'s for this??????

The debate of our foreign aid spending is something entirely different. You could ask that question about any foreign aid we give. But as long as we're dishing it out, why tell everyone they can't do things we do here? Shit, fewer babies born in poor countries that can't support the people they already have is a good way to reduce the amount of aid we provide later. Give those people abortion and contraception.

VINNY GOOMBA

Foreign aid is a bad idea altogether, and our nation really has to put an end to it. ALL OF IT. We are trillions of dollars in debt, so we don't have the money to give to anyone at all, really.

With that, you have real freedom to choose what cause or charity your money goes to. The good PEOPLE of America get to choose, versus our government forcibly taking it from us, probably spending some of it in ways you could never imagine, and then giving the leftovers to another corrupt government who will again use it how they want to use it.

All the while, you think you've done something to help, but you've only gotten robbed, and nothing significant has been accomplished towards alleviating whatever problem you were trying to fix with our foreign "aid."

Come to think of it, 'pro-lifers' should be jumping up and down with joy at this decision. What better way to ensure that information about abortion options never makes it to the people that 'need it' than letting government handle it?

decides2dream

VINNY GOOMBA wrote:

Foreign aid is a bad idea altogether, and our nation really has to put an end to it. ALL OF IT. We are trillions of dollars in debt, so we don't have the money to give to anyone at all, really.

With that, you have real freedom to choose what cause or charity your money goes to. The good PEOPLE of America get to choose, versus our government forcibly taking it from us, probably spending some of it in ways you could never imagine, and then giving the leftovers to another corrupt government who will again use it how they want to use it.

All the while, you think you've done something to help, but you've only gotten robbed, and nothing significant has been accomplished towards alleviating whatever problem you were trying to fix with our foreign "aid."

Come to think of it, 'pro-lifers' should be jumping up and down with joy at this decision. What better way to ensure that information about abortion options never makes it to the people that 'need it' than letting government handle it?

quite honestly, i'd far rather give money in aide than in war....but that's me. wouldn't it be great if instead of wreaking havoc in the world, we actually worked towards the greater good of humanity, the world-over?


btw - the governement isn't handling it...they are just releasing the funds so that OTHEr agencies who do offer said information may do their jobs fully, and offer ALL information/choices, without risk of losing US foreign aide.

scb wrote:

No one's saying your tax money will go to fund abortions in other countries. And this issue isn't about whether or not the US should be helping to fund public health efforts abroad; we already do/did that.

The Mexico City Policy - or Global Gag Rule, as it's known to many - prohibited overseas organizations from receiving U.S. family planning assistance if they used their non-U.S. funds to provide abortion information, services or counseling, or engaged in any abortion rights advocacy. So if an organization received U.S. funds to help prevent the spread of AIDS, for instance, they were not allowed to hand a pregnant rape victim a pamphlet listing abortion as one of her options - even if they didn't even perform abortions. Just providing the information would get their funding pulled, which sometimes meant the only clinic in town would have to shut down.

well stated. amazing how the full information doesn't always seem to reach the minds of all.

VINNY GOOMBA

quite honestly, i'd far rather give money in aide than in war....but that's me. wouldn't it be great if instead of wreaking havoc in the world, we actually worked towards the greater good of humanity, the world-over?

btw - the governement isn't handling it...they are just releasing the funds so that OTHEr agencies who do offer said information may do their jobs fully, and offer ALL information/choices, without risk of losing US foreign aide.

I'd rather give NEITHER, but unfortunately I have no control and no choice. Aren't we supposed to have the choice?

We don't need any more listings on our government's balance sheet than we already have. Just because X million dollars was supposed to go to Country B, doesn't mean it did. With less transparency than ever, we need far less of our government doing things of this nature. Really, who's to say that so much of it isn't used ON WAR? Weapons? Things that you do not support. It's not like we ever get to see how our money is spent, ever.

Aid, in theory, should be a good thing, but it never is. Why do we aid both sides of most major conflicts in the world? In the end, neither side ever thanks us, and only gets pissed off for helping the other side.

I agree, I'd rather see money going to help people than hurt people. The bottomline is, it is only fair that our charitable donations come from the people, not the government.

SolarWorld

soulsinging wrote:

Pats54 wrote:

Why shoud we be providing american $$'s for this??????

The debate of our foreign aid spending is something entirely different. You could ask that question about any foreign aid we give. But as long as we're dishing it out, why tell everyone they can't do things we do here? Shit, fewer babies born in poor countries that can't support the people they already have is a good way to reduce the amount of aid we provide later. Give those people abortion and contraception.

Not to mention the public heath benefits of people using condoms...

cincybearcat

Heineken Helen wrote:

Pats54 wrote:

Don't take my tax $$'s to pay for it

You can't pick and choose what your taxes are used for...

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Ummm, so we should just sit back and let them do whatever they want to do with our tax money? I'm not sure I understand you.

decides2dream

cincybearcat wrote:

Ummm, so we should just sit back and let them do whatever they want to do with our tax money? I'm not sure I understand you.

agreed. it's important to speak up about ideas and policies one disagrees with, and most definitely in the voter's booth.


as to this issue, i guess i don't understand the 'problem' with it per se. as scb posted above, it clearly states US funds will NOT be used to provide abortions, just to support agencies/clinics that actually do use other funds for such - if at all, but mostly, that we will fund clinics that at least give ALL information, all options, available. so our tax dollars are not being used to pay for foreign abortions, merely access to information and other sexuality/health issues...i fail to see the negative in that. by picking/choosing what health agencies we would support simply b/c they did offer abortions and/or FULL information of choices, i personally believe we were doing a disservice. now if you are totally anti-foreign aide, another issue entirely.