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  • Commy
    Commy Posts: 4,984
    Cosmo wrote:
    If you condone torture tactics on 'their' guys... you condone torture tactics on 'OUR' guys.
    As for me... I always associate the word 'Torture' with bad guys... like Soviets, Communist Chinese, Vietnamese Jungle prisons, Islamic Terrorists, Nazis and the Catholic Church Middle Ages.
    and when I hear torture I think CIA.
  • Pats54
    Pats54 Posts: 276
    The Jeagler wrote:
    sure would be nice if barry had a plan as to what to do with all the detainees before saying he's gonna shut it down........yikes....

    Does make you question his management of the situation doesn't it. I think Murtha said he would take them in PA. How about they send them to San Quinten which is in Bella Pelosi's district. Everyone around here has basically been praising his every move on day one. If a new Repub president had done that they would say what an idiot he is.
  • Cosmo
    Cosmo Posts: 12,225
    Commy wrote:
    Cosmo wrote:
    If you condone torture tactics on 'their' guys... you condone torture tactics on 'OUR' guys.
    As for me... I always associate the word 'Torture' with bad guys... like Soviets, Communist Chinese, Vietnamese Jungle prisons, Islamic Terrorists, Nazis and the Catholic Church Middle Ages.
    and when I hear torture I think CIA.
    ...
    And when I hear 'CIA'... I think of KGB and Gestapo. I didn't mean there were no bad guys on our side. I'm just saying, I don't condone the things I hate.
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  • blackredyellow
    blackredyellow Posts: 5,889
    The Jeagler wrote:
    sure would be nice if barry had a plan as to what to do with all the detainees before saying he's gonna shut it down........yikes....

    He has set a timeline of a year to do it... Maybe he has a plan, or maybe he hopes that he can come up with one before then.

    I would think that his administration and military leaders won't just release everyone and hope for the best.
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  • Pats54
    Pats54 Posts: 276
    blackredyellow wrote:
    The Jeagler wrote:
    sure would be nice if barry had a plan as to what to do with all the detainees before saying he's gonna shut it down........yikes....

    He has set a timeline of a year to do it... Maybe he has a plan, or maybe he hopes that he can come up with one before then.

    I would think that his administration and military leaders won't just release everyone and hope for the best.

    Lots of Maybe's in there. Barry is the smartest man to ever grace the earth so I am sure he has a plan.
  • LikeAnOcean
    LikeAnOcean Posts: 7,718
    edited January 2009
    I don't care how many lives it saves, torture is what the BAD guys do. Not what I want my America to do..

    These "supposed" terrorists they caught haven't necissarally done anything. It's like charging people with a crime they haven't committed because of beliefs they have and people they associate with.. and not only do you throw them in prison, but you torture them.

    Not my America.

    John Wayne, John McClain, Indiana Jones and Batman would not approve.

    Torture is what sick fucks do. Not the good guys. The good guys find better ways to fight the bad guys. They don't become the bad guys.
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  • Pats54
    Pats54 Posts: 276
    LikeAnOcean wrote:
    I don't care how many lives it saves, torture is what the BAD guys do. Not what I want my America to do..

    These "supposed" terrorists they caught haven't necissarally done anything. It's like charging people with a crime they haven't committed because of beliefs they have and people they associate with.. and not only do you throw them in prison, but you torture them.

    Not my America.

    John Wayne, John McClain, Indiana Jones and Batman would not approve.

    Torture is what sick fucks do. Not the good guys. The good guys find better ways to fight the bad guys. They don't become the bad guys.
  • Pats54
    Pats54 Posts: 276
    LikeAnOcean wrote:
    I don't care how many lives it saves, torture is what the BAD guys do. Not what I want my America to do..

    These "supposed" terrorists they caught haven't necissarally done anything. It's like charging people with a crime they haven't committed because of beliefs they have and people they associate with.. and not only do you throw them in prison, but you torture them.

    Not my America.

    John Wayne, John McClain, Indiana Jones and Batman would not approve.

    Torture is what sick fucks do. Not the good guys. The good guys find better ways to fight the bad guys. They don't become the bad guys.

    Jack Bauer & James Bond would beg to differ
  • LikeAnOcean
    LikeAnOcean Posts: 7,718
    Pats54 wrote:
    LikeAnOcean wrote:
    I don't care how many lives it saves, torture is what the BAD guys do. Not what I want my America to do..

    These "supposed" terrorists they caught haven't necissarally done anything. It's like charging people with a crime they haven't committed because of beliefs they have and people they associate with.. and not only do you throw them in prison, but you torture them.

    Not my America.

    John Wayne, John McClain, Indiana Jones and Batman would not approve.

    Torture is what sick fucks do. Not the good guys. The good guys find better ways to fight the bad guys. They don't become the bad guys.

    Jack Bauer & James Bond would beg to differ
    Jack Bauer was a Bush presidency spawn and James Bond was a dirty redcoat. ;)

    Now that I think of it, Batman did do some torturing..
  • Pats54
    Pats54 Posts: 276
    LikeAnOcean wrote:
    I don't care how many lives it saves, torture is what the BAD guys do. Not what I want my America to do..

    These "supposed" terrorists they caught haven't necissarally done anything. It's like charging people with a crime they haven't committed because of beliefs they have and people they associate with.. and not only do you throw them in prison, but you torture them.

    Not my America.

    John Wayne, John McClain, Indiana Jones and Batman would not approve.

    Torture is what sick fucks do. Not the good guys. The good guys find better ways to fight the bad guys. They don't become the bad guys.

    So let me get this straight. A loved one of yours say a child, parent or sibling is kidnapped and has lets say one hour to live. You have the person you suspect knows were they are and can save them because they are the bastard who may have kidnapped them. You don't use any means necessary to extract the information out of them to save your family member? I guees the answer would be no b/c you state you don't care how many lives it would save.
  • Pats54
    Pats54 Posts: 276
    LikeAnOcean wrote:
    Pats54 wrote:
    LikeAnOcean wrote:
    I don't care how many lives it saves, torture is what the BAD guys do. Not what I want my America to do..

    These "supposed" terrorists they caught haven't necissarally done anything. It's like charging people with a crime they haven't committed because of beliefs they have and people they associate with.. and not only do you throw them in prison, but you torture them.

    Not my America.

    John Wayne, John McClain, Indiana Jones and Batman would not approve.

    Torture is what sick fucks do. Not the good guys. The good guys find better ways to fight the bad guys. They don't become the bad guys.

    Jack Bauer & James Bond would beg to differ
    Jack Bauer was a Bush presidency spawn and James Bond was a dirty redcoat. ;)

    Now that I think of it, Batman did do some torturing..

    as did the Joker :)
  • NoK
    NoK Posts: 824
    Pats54 wrote:
    blackredyellow wrote:
    The Jeagler wrote:
    sure would be nice if barry had a plan as to what to do with all the detainees before saying he's gonna shut it down........yikes....

    He has set a timeline of a year to do it... Maybe he has a plan, or maybe he hopes that he can come up with one before then.

    I would think that his administration and military leaders won't just release everyone and hope for the best.

    Lots of Maybe's in there. Barry is the smartest man to ever grace the earth so I am sure he has a plan.

    Actually they have already been in contact with other countries (Canada, Sweden, Switzerland, Australia..) regarding G. Bay. They will relocate all those cleared. I believe Australia recently refused to accept any cleared detainees.
  • LikeAnOcean
    LikeAnOcean Posts: 7,718
    Pats54 wrote:
    LikeAnOcean wrote:
    I don't care how many lives it saves, torture is what the BAD guys do. Not what I want my America to do..

    These "supposed" terrorists they caught haven't necissarally done anything. It's like charging people with a crime they haven't committed because of beliefs they have and people they associate with.. and not only do you throw them in prison, but you torture them.

    Not my America.

    John Wayne, John McClain, Indiana Jones and Batman would not approve.

    Torture is what sick fucks do. Not the good guys. The good guys find better ways to fight the bad guys. They don't become the bad guys.

    So let me get this straight. A loved one of yours say a child, parent or sibling is kidnapped and has lets say one hour to live. You have the person you suspect knows were they are and can save them because they are the bastard who may have kidnapped them. You don't use any means necessary to extract the information out of them to save your family member? I guees the answer would be no b/c you state you don't care how many lives it would save.
    So why don't we torture all these detainee's and get ALL information from them? Whats the point of letting them stay imprisoned? Hell why don't we put anyone in prison who doesn't like America because they potentially could be a threat.
  • NoK
    NoK Posts: 824
    Pats54 wrote:
    LikeAnOcean wrote:
    I don't care how many lives it saves, torture is what the BAD guys do. Not what I want my America to do..

    These "supposed" terrorists they caught haven't necissarally done anything. It's like charging people with a crime they haven't committed because of beliefs they have and people they associate with.. and not only do you throw them in prison, but you torture them.

    Not my America.

    John Wayne, John McClain, Indiana Jones and Batman would not approve.

    Torture is what sick fucks do. Not the good guys. The good guys find better ways to fight the bad guys. They don't become the bad guys.

    So let me get this straight. A loved one of yours say a child, parent or sibling is kidnapped and has lets say one hour to live. You have the person you suspect knows were they are and can save them because they are the bastard who may have kidnapped them. You don't use any means necessary to extract the information out of them to save your family member? I guees the answer would be no b/c you state you don't care how many lives it would save.

    Several top military folk have said that torture has a more than 50% chance of bringing out wrong information. So basically torture is sending people on wild goose chases more than half the time. These tortured people will say any name (usually those of innocent people) to stop the pain. Its also been documented during the Lebanese Civil war. The numbers are out there.
  • Cosmo
    Cosmo Posts: 12,225
    Pats54 wrote:
    So let me get this straight. A loved one of yours say a child, parent or sibling is kidnapped and has lets say one hour to live. You have the person you suspect knows were they are and can save them because they are the bastard who may have kidnapped them. You don't use any means necessary to extract the information out of them to save your family member? I guees the answer would be no b/c you state you don't care how many lives it would save.
    ...
    But... it turns out... this person turn out to be just your suspect... someone you suspect but have no proof that he is the actual kidnapper. He tells you whatever he thinks you want to hear, just so you'll stop torturing him. He sends you across state lines to some place, so you hop in you car and race over there to check it out. No hostage.
    In the meantime, the real kidnappers are torturing your loved one trying to get the bank number that has the 1.3 million dollars that they surely suspect you possess. Your kid keeps saying you don't have 1.3 millions dollars.. but, they don't believe her. All they want to hear is where you have stashed the money.
    ...
    You have spent your resources and wasted valuable time chasing false leads. youfigure out, this guy you have been torturing knows nothing... so you let him go.
    He comes back later and plunges a gardening tool into your left eyeball because of the extreme hatred he now harbors because of your actions.
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  • Pats54
    Pats54 Posts: 276
    Cosmo wrote:
    Pats54 wrote:
    So let me get this straight. A loved one of yours say a child, parent or sibling is kidnapped and has lets say one hour to live. You have the person you suspect knows were they are and can save them because they are the bastard who may have kidnapped them. You don't use any means necessary to extract the information out of them to save your family member? I guees the answer would be no b/c you state you don't care how many lives it would save.
    ...
    But... it turns out... this person turn out to be just your suspect... someone you suspect but have no proof that he is the actual kidnapper. He tells you whatever he thinks you want to hear, just so you'll stop torturing him. He sends you across state lines to some place, so you hop in you car and race over there to check it out. No hostage.
    In the meantime, the real kidnappers are torturing your loved one trying to get the bank number that has the 1.3 million dollars that they surely suspect you possess. Your kid keeps saying you don't have 1.3 millions dollars.. but, they don't believe her. All they want to hear is where you have stashed the money.
    ...
    You have spent your resources and wasted valuable time chasing false leads. youfigure out, this guy you have been torturing knows nothing... so you let him go.
    He comes back later and plunges a gardening tool into your left eyeball because of the extreme hatred he now harbors because of your actions.

    Actually I do have the 1.3 mil as I am going to call myself a bank and get some of this bailout money. :)

    That is a chance I would be willing to take.
  • NoK
    NoK Posts: 824
    Pats54 wrote:
    That is a chance I would be willing to take.

    ..which means you have not experienced violence at such a level.
  • g under p
    g under p Surfing The far side of THE Sombrero Galaxy Posts: 18,237
    gvn2fly74 wrote:
    blackredyellow wrote:
    So it's a bad thing that we don't torture people or hold them indefinitely with no actual charges or accusations?
    no I dont think we should tortue people but we have to understand who we are dealing with these poeple are killers they have been taught to hate americans since they could walk.

    So it appears you may think that EVERYONE in Guantanamo is guilty of something and therefore is warranted to be interrogated through methods of torture. If one of those prisoners is innocent this all totally wrong to torture.

    Yes, they have been innocent prisonsers at Gitmo and many have told of they hideous methods of torture we havw used which in some cases yeilded hardly any useful information.

    If these torture methods are so useful and more important Legal why don't the US torture on American soil? Why?

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  • know1
    know1 Posts: 6,801
    So they send the prisoners to other prisons. What's the difference? This is just a symbolic move, IMO.
    The only people we should try to get even with...
    ...are those who've helped us.

    Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
  • inmytree
    inmytree Posts: 4,741
    Pats54 wrote:
    LikeAnOcean wrote:
    I don't care how many lives it saves, torture is what the BAD guys do. Not what I want my America to do..

    These "supposed" terrorists they caught haven't necissarally done anything. It's like charging people with a crime they haven't committed because of beliefs they have and people they associate with.. and not only do you throw them in prison, but you torture them.

    Not my America.

    John Wayne, John McClain, Indiana Jones and Batman would not approve.

    Torture is what sick fucks do. Not the good guys. The good guys find better ways to fight the bad guys. They don't become the bad guys.

    So let me get this straight. A loved one of yours say a child, parent or sibling is kidnapped and has lets say one hour to live. You have the person you suspect knows were they are and can save them because they are the bastard who may have kidnapped them. You don't use any means necessary to extract the information out of them to save your family member? I guees the answer would be no b/c you state you don't care how many lives it would save.

    yeah..and that loved one had your only set of car keys...and the checkbook...and that he had the Holy Grail and Front Row Center PJ tickets...and they knew the real answer about Global Warming...

    I say torture the fn suspects until they die...because we're all going to die anyway if my car keys aren't found...

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