Git mo to close in one year.

WaveCameCrashin

Well he did it, Obama just signed an executive order to close git mo with in a year from today.
He also signed an E.O. regarding coheirs interrogation methods,basically stating all military must use the army field manual when an enemy combatant is captured. so what should we do with the prisoners at git mo?
I feel that if our trained interrogators cannot use coheirs methods (waterboarding, loud music, sleep deprivation) it will cost lives.

Pats54

gvn2fly74 wrote:

Well he did it, Obama just signed an executive order to close git mo with in a year from today.
He also signed an E.O. regarding coheirs interrogation methods,basically stating all military must use the army field manual when an enemy combatant is captured. so what should we do with the prisoners at git mo?
I feel that if our trained interrogators cannot use coheirs methods (waterboarding, loud music, sleep deprivation) it will cost lives.

The way around that is they are going to add additional interrogation methods to the field manual, hopefully aggressive techniques. Maybe they should adopt a policy of don't ask don't tell when it comes to interogation anyway, just look the other way.

blackredyellow

So it's a bad thing that we don't torture people or hold them indefinitely with no actual charges or accusations?

Pats54

blackredyellow wrote:

So it's a bad thing that we don't torture people or hold them indefinitely with no actual charges or accusations?

Do whatever it takes to get the necessary information to keep the country safe. If they are not able to charge them with anything then off course they should let them go.

WaveCameCrashin

blackredyellow wrote:

So it's a bad thing that we don't torture people or hold them indefinitely with no actual charges or accusations?

no I dont think we should tortue people but we have to understand who we are dealing with these poeple are killers they have been taught to hate americans since they could walk.

Heineken Helen

gvn2fly74 wrote:

blackredyellow wrote:

So it's a bad thing that we don't torture people or hold them indefinitely with no actual charges or accusations?

no I dont think we should tortue people but we have to understand who we are dealing with these poeple are killers they have been taught to hate americans since they could walk.

WOW, so you know them all personally??? The FBI must have a MASSIVE file on you if you're connected to EVERYBODY in gitmo 8-)

inmytree

gvn2fly74 wrote:

blackredyellow wrote:

So it's a bad thing that we don't torture people or hold them indefinitely with no actual charges or accusations?

no I dont think we should tortue people but we have to understand who we are dealing with these poeple are killers they have been taught to hate americans since they could walk.

yeah, I guess torturing them will teach 'em to hate America or to not hate America... :roll:

WaveCameCrashin

Heineken Helen wrote:

gvn2fly74 wrote:

blackredyellow wrote:

So it's a bad thing that we don't torture people or hold them indefinitely with no actual charges or accusations?

no I dont think we should tortue people but we have to understand who we are dealing with these poeple are killers they have been taught to hate americans since they could walk.

WOW, so you know them all personally??? The FBI must have a MASSIVE file on you if you're connected to EVERYBODY in gitmo 8-)

you need to get a clue,besides why do you care what happens in America and lay off the sauce Heineken hog

Heineken Helen

gvn2fly74 wrote:

you need to get a clue,besides why do you care what happens in America and lay off the sauce Heineken hog

it's not IN AMERICA... it's in CUBA :roll: and I'm as sober as a sober 'hog' :roll: If you're just gonna resort to name calling rather than saying your points... well that says plenty for you... and I'M tasteless???

WaveCameCrashin

Heineken Helen wrote:

gvn2fly74 wrote:

you need to get a clue,besides why do you care what happens in America and lay off the sauce Heineken hog

it's not IN AMERICA... it's in CUBA :roll: and I'm as sober as a sober 'hog' :roll: If you're just gonna resort to name calling rather than saying your points... well that says plenty for you... and I'M tasteless???

I know where gitmo is but when it closes its going to affect America ,but when you make smart ass statements im gonna give it back if you recall you called me a piss taker from the start

JaneNY

gvn2fly74 wrote:

you need to get a clue,besides why do you care what happens in America and lay off the sauce Heineken hog

Wow. I don't always agree with Helen on everything, but that's no way to speak to someone.

Sludge Factory

Pats54 wrote:

blackredyellow wrote:

So it's a bad thing that we don't torture people or hold them indefinitely with no actual charges or accusations?

Do whatever it takes to get the necessary information to keep the country safe. If they are not able to charge them with anything then off course they should let them go.

Yeah, because that information is totally going to be the truth. :roll:

megatron

hey hey now everyone..enought talkin S to each other.
im all for the army manual. sounds great.
but why is obama gonna leave the loophole that if america is in danger..(nuke scare or something). we can go back to the old interrogation methods. if it works during emergencys it must always work..right?
who knows? i only know that i dont wanna be water boarded

Commy

gitmo is one of many prisons used by intelligence agencies. rendition has been going on all over the world, and they've been shipping suspects (after torturing and drugging them) to prisons in Poland and some in afghanistan. they got a few innocent people who they later released, who then told their story.

a german car salesman was picked up in the middle of the night, sexually assaulted with a billy club, beaten and drugged and shipped off to afghanistan where he was interrogated for weeks. when they realized he didn't know anything they droped him off in some eastern european country, literally off in some countryside. he had to find his way back to germany.

that's one case, there are hundreds. that's what rendition does for you.


so if you're pro-gitmo don't worry, there are other much more secret prisons around the world being used, with much harsher interrogation techniches being used. you can still have your torture and indefinite prison terms and innocent people getting beaten for no reason, relax.

Pats54

If anything Obama is keeping the basic bush terroism infrastructure in tact. Closing Gtmo is a merely symbolic gesture. While he was a candidate Obama voted for expaned presidential wiretapping powers, which as we all know bush was for. While on this week with George Stephan, Stephie tried to get him to outlaw all interogation techniques not in the Army field manual. He would not commit to this and Obama quoted Cheney and said something to the effect he wants to make sure we know all thats being done before saying we will or won't use a particular technique. Not much behind the scenes will change as the last thing he needs or wants would be another terror attack on US soil.

The Juggler

sure would be nice if barry had a plan as to what to do with all the detainees before saying he's gonna shut it down........yikes....

justam

I think he's right to change this in his first week. This kind of place and the use of torture is not in keeping with the ideal of treating prisoners fairly and humanely. Whether we are worried about these people being a threat or not, we can't allow hidden torture chambers in the US.

mickeyrat

justam wrote:

I think he's right to change this in his first week. This kind of place and the use of torture is not in keeping with the ideal of treating prisoners fairly and humanely. Whether we are worried about these people being a threat or not, we can't allow hidden torture chambers in the US.

Or anywhere. We either adhere to The Geneva Convention or bow out of it.

gabers

[[/quote] obviously you don't have any solutions to these problems you would rather slam people[/quote]

There was no slamming involved. I just genuinely don't think that anyone who says that last sentence, is saying it in all seriousness... and not simply to get a rise out of people

what problems is it that you are seeing?????[/quote]


I don't think he's familiar with the phrase. It's not a phrase used here. HH, I think you could win the award for most misunderstood person in the board. I've seen posts of yours several times get misinterpreted. You're the female Larry David of Ireland.

soulsinging

gabers wrote:

I don't think he's familiar with the phrase. It's not a phrase used here. HH, I think you could win the award for most misunderstood person in the board. I've seen posts of yours several times get misinterpreted. You're the female Larry David of Ireland.

I was going to say the same thing... I'm not sure he knows what taking the piss means. So I agree, with your first part anyway. Not so much the second.

Cosmo

If you condone torture tactics on 'their' guys... you condone torture tactics on 'OUR' guys.
As for me... I always associate the word 'Torture' with bad guys... like Soviets, Communist Chinese, Vietnamese Jungle prisons, Islamic Terrorists, Nazis and the Catholic Church Middle Ages.