Git mo to close in one year.

WaveCameCrashinWaveCameCrashin Posts: 2,929
edited January 2009 in A Moving Train
Well he did it, Obama just signed an executive order to close git mo with in a year from today.
He also signed an E.O. regarding coheirs interrogation methods,basically stating all military must use the army field manual when an enemy combatant is captured. so what should we do with the prisoners at git mo?
I feel that if our trained interrogators cannot use coheirs methods (waterboarding, loud music, sleep deprivation) it will cost lives.
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  • Pats54Pats54 Posts: 276
    gvn2fly74 wrote:
    Well he did it, Obama just signed an executive order to close git mo with in a year from today.
    He also signed an E.O. regarding coheirs interrogation methods,basically stating all military must use the army field manual when an enemy combatant is captured. so what should we do with the prisoners at git mo?
    I feel that if our trained interrogators cannot use coheirs methods (waterboarding, loud music, sleep deprivation) it will cost lives.

    The way around that is they are going to add additional interrogation methods to the field manual, hopefully aggressive techniques. Maybe they should adopt a policy of don't ask don't tell when it comes to interogation anyway, just look the other way.
  • So it's a bad thing that we don't torture people or hold them indefinitely with no actual charges or accusations?
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  • Pats54Pats54 Posts: 276
    So it's a bad thing that we don't torture people or hold them indefinitely with no actual charges or accusations?

    Do whatever it takes to get the necessary information to keep the country safe. If they are not able to charge them with anything then off course they should let them go.
  • So it's a bad thing that we don't torture people or hold them indefinitely with no actual charges or accusations?
    no I dont think we should tortue people but we have to understand who we are dealing with these poeple are killers they have been taught to hate americans since they could walk.
  • gvn2fly74 wrote:
    So it's a bad thing that we don't torture people or hold them indefinitely with no actual charges or accusations?
    no I dont think we should tortue people but we have to understand who we are dealing with these poeple are killers they have been taught to hate americans since they could walk.
    WOW, so you know them all personally??? The FBI must have a MASSIVE file on you if you're connected to EVERYBODY in gitmo 8-)
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  • inmytreeinmytree Posts: 4,741
    gvn2fly74 wrote:
    So it's a bad thing that we don't torture people or hold them indefinitely with no actual charges or accusations?
    no I dont think we should tortue people but we have to understand who we are dealing with these poeple are killers they have been taught to hate americans since they could walk.

    yeah, I guess torturing them will teach 'em to hate America or to not hate America... :roll:
  • gvn2fly74 wrote:
    So it's a bad thing that we don't torture people or hold them indefinitely with no actual charges or accusations?
    no I dont think we should tortue people but we have to understand who we are dealing with these poeple are killers they have been taught to hate americans since they could walk.
    WOW, so you know them all personally??? The FBI must have a MASSIVE file on you if you're connected to EVERYBODY in gitmo 8-)

    you need to get a clue,besides why do you care what happens in America and lay off the sauce Heineken hog
  • gvn2fly74 wrote:

    you need to get a clue,besides why do you care what happens in America and lay off the sauce Heineken hog
    it's not IN AMERICA... it's in CUBA :roll: and I'm as sober as a sober 'hog' :roll: If you're just gonna resort to name calling rather than saying your points... well that says plenty for you... and I'M tasteless??? :mrgreen:
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  • gvn2fly74 wrote:

    you need to get a clue,besides why do you care what happens in America and lay off the sauce Heineken hog
    it's not IN AMERICA... it's in CUBA :roll: and I'm as sober as a sober 'hog' :roll: If you're just gonna resort to name calling rather than saying your points... well that says plenty for you... and I'M tasteless??? :mrgreen:

    I know where gitmo is but when it closes its going to affect America ,but when you make smart ass statements im gonna give it back if you recall you called me a piss taker from the start
  • JaneNYJaneNY Posts: 4,438
    gvn2fly74 wrote:
    you need to get a clue,besides why do you care what happens in America and lay off the sauce Heineken hog

    Wow. I don't always agree with Helen on everything, but that's no way to speak to someone.
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  • Pats54 wrote:
    So it's a bad thing that we don't torture people or hold them indefinitely with no actual charges or accusations?

    Do whatever it takes to get the necessary information to keep the country safe. If they are not able to charge them with anything then off course they should let them go.

    Yeah, because that information is totally going to be the truth. :roll:
  • megatronmegatron Posts: 3,420
    hey hey now everyone..enought talkin S to each other.
    im all for the army manual. sounds great.
    but why is obama gonna leave the loophole that if america is in danger..(nuke scare or something). we can go back to the old interrogation methods. if it works during emergencys it must always work..right?
    who knows? i only know that i dont wanna be water boarded
  • CommyCommy Posts: 4,984
    gitmo is one of many prisons used by intelligence agencies. rendition has been going on all over the world, and they've been shipping suspects (after torturing and drugging them) to prisons in Poland and some in afghanistan. they got a few innocent people who they later released, who then told their story.

    a german car salesman was picked up in the middle of the night, sexually assaulted with a billy club, beaten and drugged and shipped off to afghanistan where he was interrogated for weeks. when they realized he didn't know anything they droped him off in some eastern european country, literally off in some countryside. he had to find his way back to germany.

    that's one case, there are hundreds. that's what rendition does for you.


    so if you're pro-gitmo don't worry, there are other much more secret prisons around the world being used, with much harsher interrogation techniches being used. you can still have your torture and indefinite prison terms and innocent people getting beaten for no reason, relax.
  • Pats54Pats54 Posts: 276
    If anything Obama is keeping the basic bush terroism infrastructure in tact. Closing Gtmo is a merely symbolic gesture. While he was a candidate Obama voted for expaned presidential wiretapping powers, which as we all know bush was for. While on this week with George Stephan, Stephie tried to get him to outlaw all interogation techniques not in the Army field manual. He would not commit to this and Obama quoted Cheney and said something to the effect he wants to make sure we know all thats being done before saying we will or won't use a particular technique. Not much behind the scenes will change as the last thing he needs or wants would be another terror attack on US soil.
  • The JugglerThe Juggler Posts: 49,309
    sure would be nice if barry had a plan as to what to do with all the detainees before saying he's gonna shut it down........yikes....
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  • justamjustam Posts: 21,412
    I think he's right to change this in his first week. This kind of place and the use of torture is not in keeping with the ideal of treating prisoners fairly and humanely. Whether we are worried about these people being a threat or not, we can't allow hidden torture chambers in the US.
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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 40,601
    justam wrote:
    I think he's right to change this in his first week. This kind of place and the use of torture is not in keeping with the ideal of treating prisoners fairly and humanely. Whether we are worried about these people being a threat or not, we can't allow hidden torture chambers in the US.
    Or anywhere. We either adhere to The Geneva Convention or bow out of it.
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  • gabersgabers Posts: 2,787
    [[/quote] obviously you don't have any solutions to these problems you would rather slam people[/quote]

    There was no slamming involved. I just genuinely don't think that anyone who says that last sentence, is saying it in all seriousness... and not simply to get a rise out of people ;)

    what problems is it that you are seeing?????[/quote]


    I don't think he's familiar with the phrase. It's not a phrase used here. HH, I think you could win the award for most misunderstood person in the board. I've seen posts of yours several times get misinterpreted. You're the female Larry David of Ireland. :D
  • soulsingingsoulsinging Posts: 13,202
    gabers wrote:
    I don't think he's familiar with the phrase. It's not a phrase used here. HH, I think you could win the award for most misunderstood person in the board. I've seen posts of yours several times get misinterpreted. You're the female Larry David of Ireland. :D

    I was going to say the same thing... I'm not sure he knows what taking the piss means. So I agree, with your first part anyway. Not so much the second.
  • CosmoCosmo Posts: 12,225
    If you condone torture tactics on 'their' guys... you condone torture tactics on 'OUR' guys.
    As for me... I always associate the word 'Torture' with bad guys... like Soviets, Communist Chinese, Vietnamese Jungle prisons, Islamic Terrorists, Nazis and the Catholic Church Middle Ages.
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  • CommyCommy Posts: 4,984
    Cosmo wrote:
    If you condone torture tactics on 'their' guys... you condone torture tactics on 'OUR' guys.
    As for me... I always associate the word 'Torture' with bad guys... like Soviets, Communist Chinese, Vietnamese Jungle prisons, Islamic Terrorists, Nazis and the Catholic Church Middle Ages.
    and when I hear torture I think CIA.
  • Pats54Pats54 Posts: 276
    sure would be nice if barry had a plan as to what to do with all the detainees before saying he's gonna shut it down........yikes....

    Does make you question his management of the situation doesn't it. I think Murtha said he would take them in PA. How about they send them to San Quinten which is in Bella Pelosi's district. Everyone around here has basically been praising his every move on day one. If a new Repub president had done that they would say what an idiot he is.
  • CosmoCosmo Posts: 12,225
    Commy wrote:
    Cosmo wrote:
    If you condone torture tactics on 'their' guys... you condone torture tactics on 'OUR' guys.
    As for me... I always associate the word 'Torture' with bad guys... like Soviets, Communist Chinese, Vietnamese Jungle prisons, Islamic Terrorists, Nazis and the Catholic Church Middle Ages.
    and when I hear torture I think CIA.
    ...
    And when I hear 'CIA'... I think of KGB and Gestapo. I didn't mean there were no bad guys on our side. I'm just saying, I don't condone the things I hate.
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  • sure would be nice if barry had a plan as to what to do with all the detainees before saying he's gonna shut it down........yikes....

    He has set a timeline of a year to do it... Maybe he has a plan, or maybe he hopes that he can come up with one before then.

    I would think that his administration and military leaders won't just release everyone and hope for the best.
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  • Pats54Pats54 Posts: 276
    sure would be nice if barry had a plan as to what to do with all the detainees before saying he's gonna shut it down........yikes....

    He has set a timeline of a year to do it... Maybe he has a plan, or maybe he hopes that he can come up with one before then.

    I would think that his administration and military leaders won't just release everyone and hope for the best.

    Lots of Maybe's in there. Barry is the smartest man to ever grace the earth so I am sure he has a plan.
  • LikeAnOceanLikeAnOcean Posts: 7,718
    edited January 2009
    I don't care how many lives it saves, torture is what the BAD guys do. Not what I want my America to do..

    These "supposed" terrorists they caught haven't necissarally done anything. It's like charging people with a crime they haven't committed because of beliefs they have and people they associate with.. and not only do you throw them in prison, but you torture them.

    Not my America.

    John Wayne, John McClain, Indiana Jones and Batman would not approve.

    Torture is what sick fucks do. Not the good guys. The good guys find better ways to fight the bad guys. They don't become the bad guys.
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  • Pats54Pats54 Posts: 276
    I don't care how many lives it saves, torture is what the BAD guys do. Not what I want my America to do..

    These "supposed" terrorists they caught haven't necissarally done anything. It's like charging people with a crime they haven't committed because of beliefs they have and people they associate with.. and not only do you throw them in prison, but you torture them.

    Not my America.

    John Wayne, John McClain, Indiana Jones and Batman would not approve.

    Torture is what sick fucks do. Not the good guys. The good guys find better ways to fight the bad guys. They don't become the bad guys.
  • Pats54Pats54 Posts: 276
    I don't care how many lives it saves, torture is what the BAD guys do. Not what I want my America to do..

    These "supposed" terrorists they caught haven't necissarally done anything. It's like charging people with a crime they haven't committed because of beliefs they have and people they associate with.. and not only do you throw them in prison, but you torture them.

    Not my America.

    John Wayne, John McClain, Indiana Jones and Batman would not approve.

    Torture is what sick fucks do. Not the good guys. The good guys find better ways to fight the bad guys. They don't become the bad guys.

    Jack Bauer & James Bond would beg to differ
  • LikeAnOceanLikeAnOcean Posts: 7,718
    Pats54 wrote:
    I don't care how many lives it saves, torture is what the BAD guys do. Not what I want my America to do..

    These "supposed" terrorists they caught haven't necissarally done anything. It's like charging people with a crime they haven't committed because of beliefs they have and people they associate with.. and not only do you throw them in prison, but you torture them.

    Not my America.

    John Wayne, John McClain, Indiana Jones and Batman would not approve.

    Torture is what sick fucks do. Not the good guys. The good guys find better ways to fight the bad guys. They don't become the bad guys.

    Jack Bauer & James Bond would beg to differ
    Jack Bauer was a Bush presidency spawn and James Bond was a dirty redcoat. ;)

    Now that I think of it, Batman did do some torturing..
  • Pats54Pats54 Posts: 276
    I don't care how many lives it saves, torture is what the BAD guys do. Not what I want my America to do..

    These "supposed" terrorists they caught haven't necissarally done anything. It's like charging people with a crime they haven't committed because of beliefs they have and people they associate with.. and not only do you throw them in prison, but you torture them.

    Not my America.

    John Wayne, John McClain, Indiana Jones and Batman would not approve.

    Torture is what sick fucks do. Not the good guys. The good guys find better ways to fight the bad guys. They don't become the bad guys.

    So let me get this straight. A loved one of yours say a child, parent or sibling is kidnapped and has lets say one hour to live. You have the person you suspect knows were they are and can save them because they are the bastard who may have kidnapped them. You don't use any means necessary to extract the information out of them to save your family member? I guees the answer would be no b/c you state you don't care how many lives it would save.
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